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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Where do you think my proof was from? 😃
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jehovah's Witnesses with covid-19 - announcement at Bethel   
    ... probably not nearly as much as the Bethel videos that inspired the recollection.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jehovah's Witnesses with covid-19 - announcement at Bethel   
    Yikes .... restricted to a dorm room for several weeks!
    Perhaps for "the duration".
    ... and no .. I am not going to mention pillows.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Domestics are all who belong to Jesus as the master and all who are fed by him. So since Jesus is the master, then all of Jesus's slaves are domestics.
     “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Matthew 24:45
    The domestics include the anointed and the slave, because the slave is spoken of as beating his fellow slaves (domestics):  
    “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying, and he starts to beat his fellow slaves Matthew 24:48,49 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in ‘Using’ the Pandemic to ‘Recruit’ People - Sheesh! What is it With These Nutcases?   
    I understand the greatest distribution of Bibles to the general populace, is Gideon Bibles, stolen from Hotel Rooms.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in ‘Using’ the Pandemic to ‘Recruit’ People - Sheesh! What is it With These Nutcases?   
    It must really confound those who accuse the JW organization of being a cult that few people are behaving better these days, or more reasonably, with more of an eye toward the public good. That #CultExpert tweets about how Jehovah’s Witnesses manipulate people, and I reply that their followers put his to shame for vanquishing COVID. Jehovah’s Witnesses immediately transferred all gatherings to Zoom and issued strong counsel to observe government-recommended social distancing—which our people will observe because they strive to be obedient. But his followers? Some will observe social distancing, no doubt—probably even most, but is his mission statement ‘Freedom of Mind’ really compatible with obedience to secular authority? You don’t think some will use their ‘freedom of mind’ to say: “Forget about you!—We’ll party on the beach if we feel like it!?”
    Doubtless they expected ‘scare-mongering’—‘using’ the present crisis to scare new ones into the fold—and in fact, there have been accusations of that. But you really really have to stretch the point if you go there. The lead post on jw.org is the most socially responsible contribution imaginable, replete with suggestions on how to cope with isolation and resulting loneliness. With people beside themselves with anxiety, unable to cope in many cases, you don’t think that is a valuable contribution, perhaps THE most valuable? After all, if your psyche breaks down, all the physical relief in the world does you no good.
    It reminds me of the verse on muzzling the talk of the ignorant ones by doing good. To be sure, hostile ones are still criticizing—but in doing so,  they are also plainly revealing their ignorance, and in some cases, hate.
    In fact, I don’t quite go there with the CultExpert, for some of the groups he monitors really DO seem pretty strange—so I don’t go there, though I do think about it—I almost want to say: “LET them join a cult if it helps them get through this and save their sanity! What are you offering in lieu—that we should put our hope in the next crop of politicians? Haven’t we been down that road countless times before?”
    Affirming some cult idiot’s charge that I am ‘using’ the pandemic to ‘recruit,’ (to anyone concerned about that, I reply that on the 200th contact I will ask if they want to convert and then they can say ‘no’—in the meantime, it’s just conversation—don’t worry about it) I have many times tweeted that lead post to persons, sometimes in response to a specific plea like with Mr. Fiend, and sometimes I just throw it out there—with good results in both cases. Sometimes the tweets are retreated. Unless you are a snarling ‘ain’t-cultist,’ people do not misunderstand—they know that you are trying to help.
    As always, you tailor your tweet to the person. To persons who appear secular, you say (this one was lamenting a suicide she had read about): “It is a terrible thing. Healthy people struggle when their routine is uprooted, let alone persons unwell to begin with. I sent this to someone who tweeted that he was frankly losing it. There is a spiritual component to it, but it is mostly on combatting isolation and loneliness”—and I attach the link.
    To someone decidedly irreligious, you might say: “As a suggestion—nothing more—here is a series of posts on how to cope with isolation and loneliness. Upended routines are driving everyone up a tree. My turn is probably next. Like Bob Dylan: ‘The riot squad is restless, they need somewhere to go.’” I like to play the Dylan card—it doesn’t mean that you have to. You also don’t exempt yourself—hence the ‘my turn is probably next,’
    My new pinned tweet is: “With #mentalhealth under assault and even balanced people buckling under the stress, I can’t imagine a better read than this one on coping with isolation and loneliness from #JehovahsWitnesses,” as I include a link to the post. 
    Note the hashtags. Ages ago my daughter said to me: “They’re hashtags, Dad, not crosstags.” Hashtags are fair game on social media, whereas tagging individuals directly is generally considered rude, unless you know full well that they will welcome it. Hashtags will draw in anyone else who monitors the subject—as an experiment, enter a hashtag anything on social media to see what comes up. You can even use it as your own filing system if you choose a hashtag unique enough.
    It can, however backfire. If the hashtag is of any controversial topic, it can bring in people who want to argue, even insult. In the case of Jehovah’s Witnesses, there are disgruntled former members—‘apostates’—that can be attracted—in fact, they almost surely will be. “Oh, yeah,” you can mutter. “They’ll come alright. As surely as flies to dung, they will come!” But you should not say this, because while you are comparing apostates to flies, you are also comparing yourself to dung—so you should seek another metaphor.
    My #mentalhealth hashtag drew in some mental health people, some of whom expressed great appreciation. But true to warning, my #jehovahswitnesses hashtag drew in some ‘apostates.’
    “The rather large elephant in the paragraph [about the comfort JWs offer] is the Jehovah’s Witness shunning policy.”
    But I replied (in three tweets):
    “There is hardly an issue here. Those who would trigger a ‘shunning policy’ are those for whom, at the present time, the last thing in the world they would want is to abide by the principles of those who wrote the article. Even so, they are welcome to take from it what they will.”
    “The thoughts expressed in the article are non-denominational, offered freely to all, even those on the outs at present with JWs. It’s meant as a public service. One need not take it. One can always put trust in the politicians, medical staff, and economists to fix matters.”
    I looked at the detractor’s profile and discovered that she was one who was trying to torpedo the JW organization’s status as a charitable religious organization, something that they plainly are:
    “In fact, it is an excellent post for consideration of the @CharityComms, though not written for that reason. Look, nobody is everything to everyone. But they will recognize that we are well past the time for nursing grudges—not with C19 threatening the mental health of the planet.”
    It shut her up! I couldn’t believe it! It is unheard of! ‘Apostates’ never ever EVER give up—I’ve had to block some—and yet she gave up. There is no finer proof of 1 Peter 2:15 than that: “For it is the will of God that by doing good you may silence the ignorant talk of unreasonable men.”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    Thank you brother for that comment..... very true.  
    There is still time for repentance........ but self-righteousness may prevent that from happening.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    According to your standards - not jehovah's .
    True Christian's are always cooperative and yielding, even if it means they have to sacrifice something.  You sound asif you were extremely combative........ the same spirit you display here. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else   
    For "plausable deniability" when being sued by relatives of those that died.
    We can in fact, according to the GB, take whole blood transfusions without congregational sanctions, if it is first fractionated into about 14 separate substances, and administered in separate intravenous tubes.
    I drew a cartoon about this years ago ... I will try to find it.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Social or physical distance?   
    A very good point @Srecko Sostar Maybe governments wish to 'divide and conquer' all people.
    Maybe governments have taken note of how the GB / CCJW  have destroyed families. Maybe the words were deliberately chosen to brainwash people into breaking contact with each other. That way the governments of this world, Satan's world, would have complete control over people just as the GB has complete control over the 8.5 million congregants of the Org.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Quote @Arauna  Are you advocating undue attention  to the anointed?
    Answer.
    Berean Study Bible   Zechariah 8:23
    This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”
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    Quote "Not all are part of the slave-  so the rest are domestics.
    Matthew 24 v 48 & 49
     “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49  and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 
    Like I say, you believe your GB, not God's word.
    NOWHERE in God's word does it say that your GB are THE Slave.
    THEY have given THEMSELVES that title.
    And JWs serve them by believing every word from them. 
    Also quote "Not all anointed males are elders...... just as in first century not all were elders."
    And just as in the 1st Century NOT all Christians were of the Anointed. 
    Jesus said, recorded at John 10 v 16,
     “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold;n those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.
    He didn't say 'I will have' He said 'I have' Back then at that time.  Domestics / Earthly Class.
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else   
    The jew is his slave - and many go with them as the prophecy indicates....... but you refuse to acknowledge the Jew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else   
    I corrected you because YOU were sly...... implying people are losing their lives regarding the blood law......  because they obey gods law.  You implied that they are listening to the GB instead of obeying God. I called you out on that deceit. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    As I said before- I suspect you have a problem with all authority.......even if they come from God himself
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Are you advocating undue attention  to the anointed?  On the one hand you are always chastising JWs for listening to the slave (anointed) and accuse us of giving GB too much attention........and on the other hand advocate more attention within congregations...... only to anointed... paradox..... 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Wrong! Not all anointed males are elders...... just as in first century not all were elders.
    Read the scripture again - it does not refer to anointed and domestics...... it refers to the "slave" and domestics. Not all are part of the slave-  so the rest are domestics. Matt 24:45.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in JW South Africa: Jehovah's Witness parents: 'Why our kids don't need blood transfusions'   
    I find it soooooo funny when you JWs go on about how corrupt the 'world' is, when anyone with Bible knowledge knows that the 'whole world is in the power of the wicked one'. Do you really expect honesty and love and mercy and justice from 'worldly' governments ?
    BUT I think you are just using it as a smoke screen to try to hide the corruption within the CCJW / Watchtower Soc.
    Your GB's Lawyers cannot even by honest. Your GB cannot show love, mercy or justice to CSA Victims or others. Your GB give orders to those in line, right down to the Elders, to d/fed anyone that 'gets out of line' with GB think. And of course the shunning follows. Shunning by brain dead congregants that have lost the will to think for themselves. Your whole organisation x 2 and its leaders are totally corrupt.  
    But no, you just carry on thinking about how corrupt the 'world' is, whilst worshipping your GB and its Orgs. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Social or physical distance?   
    In the age of this Corona contagion, the term "social distance" emerged. In recommending how to protect their health against this virus, health care providers have introduced some measures regarding the behavior of people in their interactions with each other. One of them is famous "social distance".

    What does it mean first of all to have "social distance" in this Corona context? This means that the physical distance between persons must not be less than 1 meter, or 2 meters or similar. This is actually about physical distance, not social distance. Because, no one forbade people to talk and exchange thoughts. By any means, directly or virtually, using technology.

    From this we could conclude that the term/word and the means used to prevent infection is deficient in clarity, is wrong. Having a "social distance" would mean refraining from making intellectual and emotional contact with other people. It would mean that we do not want to talk to them, that we do not want to accept them as people belonging to a particular "social" group. It would mean that don't want to see them, literally and transmitted. Specifically, we see that these disease measures primarily seek to reduce physical contact between people. This is about "close physical contact". Anything less than 6 feet. :))
    What is interesting about Corona measures? WTJWorg using both sort of measures to control "disease" inside Organization for very long time, and without possibility to "relax" this measures. With "shunning" policy JW's members using social and physical distance on people who are not JW members any more. That could mean how "Corona" existing constantly inside WTJWorg, long before Wuhan :)).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    @César Chávez Billy you are so funny. So we are not apostates now, we are opposers.
    Whatever word or argument you use could just as easily be used by any other so called Christian religion. 
    The point being that just as you or other JWs may easily see the wrong in Catholic teachings or other religions, us 'opposers' can easily see the wrong in your GB, your Writing department, Your Watchtower Society, your CCJW, and many of the man made rules and traditions you all use and live by..
    One thing you fail to notice though, is that I do not try to lead people. I give my opinion on things. I disagree with other people's opinion on some things.  BUT, I do not put myself forward as a 'leader' of people. I am an individual. You seem to be following TTH's thinking, that I am part of some movement. I find that quite funny. I suppose that as you and all JWs are part of an organisation, you may think that everyone else has to be part of some kind of organisation. The possibility of a person being an individual seems to frighten JWs. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    @César Chávez thanks for comment. 
    This remind me on changes WTJWorg made before few years about "approach" to bible text.
    In recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by Jehovah’s organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity...... 
    ....In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. ....In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. ...Thus, we find that our literature today focuses more on the simple, practical lessons about faith, endurance, godly devotion, and other vital qualities that we learn about from Bible accounts....  -https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20150315/clear-simple-teaching-bible-truth/
    Well, for decades WT Society made complicated and useless interpretations about Bible text. In this WT study article they said so. Now, supposedly, truth became more simple and more understandable. What sort of knowledge, writers of WT publications were presented before? Boring, inconsistent and complicated explanations that simple and ignorant members could not understand. They said so. Both group, writers and readers!!
     And of course, type-anti type model not working any more in this doctrinal delusions. So, they find it suitable to make "truth" more simple, more clear and more understandable :))) than it used to be in previous decades. They baked a new cake that many eating and ask for more, also as generations of the past done the same with old cake  :))  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Yes, you are right, and we know that, but we are a mixed company where the anointed are mixed in with the great crowd. So members of the anointed partake and members of the great crowd don't. We've been through this several times. Nothing about the memorial arrangement denigrates the anointed. All I was remarking on was the method of the observation (during the lockdown) by the great crowd, that it seemed unecessarily ritualistic IF we already know no one will be partaking in the household. Nothing to do with how the anointed observe it. They actually partake of the emblems, different kettle of fish all together.
    Don't forget many of the anointed (I would say most if they are male) are actually elders.
    And by the way everybody, including the anointed, including the GB, are domestics.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in FASHIONABLE OR ABOMINABLE?   
    I have to agree with one thing; the idea of it, is nauseating.  
    I choose "tacky" and will pair it with "crafty", as in  "crafty promoters of religion"
    Replace "Christendom" with...
    This inability to attract people by the message preached prompts the thought that there must be something wrong with the religious fodder dished out from the pulpit to Christendom’s pew-sitters. If they are being served sound spiritual food, why should there be any lack of attraction, an apathetic flock? Could it be that there is a spiritual famine in the land called Christendom? But from the name Christendom assumes, one may imagine that it has an abundance of spiritual food. Yet when the clergy open their religious larders, the only abundance that presents itself is that of book reviews, tricks of magic, jazz bands, bingo games, lotteries, masquerade parties, coffee-and-doughnut socials, gas-filled balloons, and the buffoonery of circus clowns. So one may rightly ask, Has the spiritual famine foretold by God’s prophet blighted Christendom?—“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord Jehovah, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of Jehovah.”—Amos 8:11, AS.  w53 11/1 pp. 649-652
      The article ends by saying,
    The message they bring (JWs) needs no crafty promotion, no help from devils, no enticements. For Jehovah’s witnesses “are not those who commercialize or make gain [adulterators] of the word of God as many men are.” (2 Cor. 2:17, footnote, NW) 
    My, how times have changed.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?   
    Quote "The Pauline letters are meant to be understood by spiritual people."
     Well that leaves the GB and other W/t  and CCJW leaders out of that then.  
    @Srecko Sostar You have a wonderful way with words. And your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Yes, that is kind of my point. Obviously customs change, but I think the way it's done at the KH is for practical reasons mainly, but to do it the same way when there is only a handful of you, delegates the whole event to more of an invented (by us) ritual, and that is what has been my contention, that the memorial has become some kind of ceremonial tradition, just add Latin as JTR suggested and we're good to go!
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