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@Witness & @Srecko Sostar  you have both got me thinking on this now. 
It is very interesting and it will get me re-reading the Greek Scriptures once again but from a different viewpoint. 
However the NWT is what I've been using and now I'm thinking I need a different translation of God's Word. 
The NWT does alter words to suit there own agenda, so a comparison would be nice, but in hard copy. 
I know lots are available to read online but It would be great to get away from this screen and maybe read in the garden. 
 
 

@Julie Bayley maybe the reason you are shocked is because these things are kept hidden by the Elders in the congregations. I hope you are aware that this type of thing is happening Earthwide in the JW Org.
If you are not aware then I suggest you do a Google search for Jehovah's Witnesses Child Sexual Abuse.
You will be horrified at what you find out. 

@Julie Bayley maybe the reason you are shocked is because these things are kept hidden by the Elders in the congregations. I hope you are aware that this type of thing is happening Earthwide in the JW Org.
If you are not aware then I suggest you do a Google search for Jehovah's Witnesses Child Sexual Abuse.
You will be horrified at what you find out. 

@Witness & @Srecko Sostar  you have both got me thinking on this now. 
It is very interesting and it will get me re-reading the Greek Scriptures once again but from a different viewpoint. 
However the NWT is what I've been using and now I'm thinking I need a different translation of God's Word. 
The NWT does alter words to suit there own agenda, so a comparison would be nice, but in hard copy. 
I know lots are available to read online but It would be great to get away from this screen and maybe read in the garden. 
 
 

Yes, very interesting subject. We have to remind us how first Christians, or Jesus' followers, Jesus' disciples, put their life, didn't want to reject their faith in Jesus, because of Jesus, and not because of JHVH.  
First followers (not JHVH's followers but Jesus' followers) gave their lives because they did not want to deny their faith in Jesus. They did not want to give up the name of Jesus. The name JHVH was not  the name they want to defend and protect. 
The name Jesus brings some controversy. Interestingly and contrary of what we generally might think and what we perhaps didn't say clearly enough with right wording, but: followers of JHVH name persecuted people who been followers of Jesus name. This giving specific dimension to issue and contribute  to your reasoning and explanation about modern scene and how JHVH Organization operate in the Name of God (FDS, anointed individuals etc). 

I see new light coming up soon.. 😷😆😷

Who are the "righteous" elders at the UK JW Branch Office or NY JW.org headquarters that are sanctioning the behaviour of these committees.
And we KNOW that these incidents are handled at the highest levels within CCJW service and legal department.
True JW's need to vote with their donations and demand real change. Warwick will get the message FAST!

I knew this elder very well years ago Absolutely shocked to read this

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jehovahs-witnesses-refused-reveal-details-18007120 
Paedophile ELDER.  Article dated : 12 April 2020
Clifford Whiteley, 73, jailed for offences but court told church had refused to reveal details of what he told them
 
A Jehovah's Witnesses group refused to help police after a paedophile elder had confessed to them, a court heard.
Clifford Whiteley, 73, had admitted the child abuse to a West Midlands branch of the church after carrying out the attack more than ten years ago.
But a court heard the group allegedly refused to reveal details of that confession to police - citing data protection reasons.
After being arrested by police Whiteley initially denied his crimes, before saying: "My life is over now. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot lie. God will judge me."
Whiteley, of Ball Fields, Great Bridge, Tipton, was jailed for nine years at Birmingham Crown Court.
The Queen Elizabeth II Law Courts, better known as Birmingham Crown Court He had previously pleaded guilty to sexual assault of a child and three other serious sexual offences.
Passing sentence, Judge Paul Farrer QC told him: "You used your religion to convince your victim she was complicit in your wrongdoing and, in that way, sought to silence her and, sadly, you succeeded for many years."
The court heard the victim had been brought up in the Jehovah's Witnesses while the defendant was an elder in a congregation in the West Midlands.
Kathryn Orchard, prosecuting, said the victim had tried to "blot out" the offences.
But after she revealed what had happened to her there was a meeting with church figures where Whiteley denied the allegations.
Miss Orchard said the Jehovah's Witnesses also launched its own investigation and the defendant had confessed.
But it was claimed when police later quizzed about the details of what Whiteley said, the group refused to reveal them.
Miss Orchard said the defendant had also not answered police questions.
The judge said the victim suffered severe psychological harm and that it was enduring.
Sharon Bailey, defending, said Whiteley had a number of health issues which would become more acute in time.
She said he had not been responsible for the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to disclose his confession - a decision allegedly taken for data protection reasons.
So it continues. No cooperation with the police. Using Clergy-Penitent Privilege / 'Data Protection' as an excuse.  
It isn't going to change until Yahweh, through Yeshua / Jesus, judges the CCJW and it's Leaders.
 
 
 

Copied as found. Don't know how true this is. 
 
APRIL 10, 2020   On Wednesday, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a statement regarding an experimental treatment for COVID-19. It involved “convalescent plasma” collected from people who have recovered from the disease. The FDA said that, while the treatment had not been approved (since experimental data was virtually non-existent), there were a few places where scientists or doctors could use it, including in patients with “serious or immediately life-threatening COVID-19 infections.” The thinking is that there are antibodies present in the plasma of recovered patients that could help current patients fight the virus.
Okay. Fine.
The problem is that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are reacting to this statement by saying it would violate the religion’s rules to accept this treatment.
JWs have famously refused blood transfusions since 1945 even when they’re needed to save their own lives.
The religion’s leaders are now saying plasma is included in that ban. The watchdog site JWsurvey obtained a “leaked memo from a Jehovah’s Witness Circuit Overseer” sent to local leaders:
Do you think ALMIGHTY GOD really means this ? 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jehovahs-witnesses-refused-reveal-details-18007120 
Paedophile ELDER.  Article dated : 12 April 2020
Clifford Whiteley, 73, jailed for offences but court told church had refused to reveal details of what he told them
 
A Jehovah's Witnesses group refused to help police after a paedophile elder had confessed to them, a court heard.
Clifford Whiteley, 73, had admitted the child abuse to a West Midlands branch of the church after carrying out the attack more than ten years ago.
But a court heard the group allegedly refused to reveal details of that confession to police - citing data protection reasons.
After being arrested by police Whiteley initially denied his crimes, before saying: "My life is over now. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot lie. God will judge me."
Whiteley, of Ball Fields, Great Bridge, Tipton, was jailed for nine years at Birmingham Crown Court.
The Queen Elizabeth II Law Courts, better known as Birmingham Crown Court He had previously pleaded guilty to sexual assault of a child and three other serious sexual offences.
Passing sentence, Judge Paul Farrer QC told him: "You used your religion to convince your victim she was complicit in your wrongdoing and, in that way, sought to silence her and, sadly, you succeeded for many years."
The court heard the victim had been brought up in the Jehovah's Witnesses while the defendant was an elder in a congregation in the West Midlands.
Kathryn Orchard, prosecuting, said the victim had tried to "blot out" the offences.
But after she revealed what had happened to her there was a meeting with church figures where Whiteley denied the allegations.
Miss Orchard said the Jehovah's Witnesses also launched its own investigation and the defendant had confessed.
But it was claimed when police later quizzed about the details of what Whiteley said, the group refused to reveal them.
Miss Orchard said the defendant had also not answered police questions.
The judge said the victim suffered severe psychological harm and that it was enduring.
Sharon Bailey, defending, said Whiteley had a number of health issues which would become more acute in time.
She said he had not been responsible for the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to disclose his confession - a decision allegedly taken for data protection reasons.
So it continues. No cooperation with the police. Using Clergy-Penitent Privilege / 'Data Protection' as an excuse.  
It isn't going to change until Yahweh, through Yeshua / Jesus, judges the CCJW and it's Leaders.
 
 
 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jehovahs-witnesses-refused-reveal-details-18007120 
Paedophile ELDER.  Article dated : 12 April 2020
Clifford Whiteley, 73, jailed for offences but court told church had refused to reveal details of what he told them
 
A Jehovah's Witnesses group refused to help police after a paedophile elder had confessed to them, a court heard.
Clifford Whiteley, 73, had admitted the child abuse to a West Midlands branch of the church after carrying out the attack more than ten years ago.
But a court heard the group allegedly refused to reveal details of that confession to police - citing data protection reasons.
After being arrested by police Whiteley initially denied his crimes, before saying: "My life is over now. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot lie. God will judge me."
Whiteley, of Ball Fields, Great Bridge, Tipton, was jailed for nine years at Birmingham Crown Court.
The Queen Elizabeth II Law Courts, better known as Birmingham Crown Court He had previously pleaded guilty to sexual assault of a child and three other serious sexual offences.
Passing sentence, Judge Paul Farrer QC told him: "You used your religion to convince your victim she was complicit in your wrongdoing and, in that way, sought to silence her and, sadly, you succeeded for many years."
The court heard the victim had been brought up in the Jehovah's Witnesses while the defendant was an elder in a congregation in the West Midlands.
Kathryn Orchard, prosecuting, said the victim had tried to "blot out" the offences.
But after she revealed what had happened to her there was a meeting with church figures where Whiteley denied the allegations.
Miss Orchard said the Jehovah's Witnesses also launched its own investigation and the defendant had confessed.
But it was claimed when police later quizzed about the details of what Whiteley said, the group refused to reveal them.
Miss Orchard said the defendant had also not answered police questions.
The judge said the victim suffered severe psychological harm and that it was enduring.
Sharon Bailey, defending, said Whiteley had a number of health issues which would become more acute in time.
She said he had not been responsible for the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to disclose his confession - a decision allegedly taken for data protection reasons.
So it continues. No cooperation with the police. Using Clergy-Penitent Privilege / 'Data Protection' as an excuse.  
It isn't going to change until Yahweh, through Yeshua / Jesus, judges the CCJW and it's Leaders.
 
 
 

I guess the "love never fails" to protect the ones they love. And it sure isn't the victim they love. 

Yes, i am also pretty sure how believers, of all kind, and here JW's particularly was and/or will find themselves in difficult situations ........ when invoking the name of God becomes the only, last hope, and when it becomes the only, final way to feel protected.
 

I’ve heard the argument that God deliberately kept his name obscured so that its true pronunciation would not be sullied by so many profane tongues. Not sure I buy that argument, but neither is it stupid.

I read that the the Catholic "Jerusalem" Bible and later the Catholic "New Jerusalem" Bible, were going to use Jahve, thinking it was possibly more accurate and more consistent with how other Hebrew names were translated, but they decided to stick with Yahweh because it was better known. Similar reasoning with the NWT translators in sticking with Jehovah.

Even though the name YHWH is etymologically difficult to explain, to a Hebrew audience it may have looked very much like He Who Causes "That Which Is" To Be.
https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/YHWH.html#.XpWcl8hKg2w
Before the hybridization of the tetragrammaton, the Jews used the word, “Adonai”, which is“Lord” in translation.  Literally, it means, “My foundation”. 
“Jehovah” - Artificial hybrid of the names YHWH and Adonai. – Latin mixed with Hebrew, and you believe this is through the power of Holy Spirit that “Jehovah” was born?  It’s like a Hebrew slang word with a meaning that is totally the opposite of “He who causes that which is to be”; which is, “a ruin, a disaster”. 
 
It is true that the majority of JWs believe “Jehovah” is the sacred name of God. It is a like a talisman, and I remember using it myself, believing it had some sort of magical power to save me from harm.  What amazes me now, is the ignorance in believing that Satan had nothing to do with changing the sacred use of His name. 
Abarim publications quoted a scripture that should show anyone who cares, just how sacred God’s name is:
Judges 13:  Then Manoah said to the Angel of the Lord, “Please let us detain You, and we will prepare a young goat for You.”
16 And the Angel of the Lord said to Manoah, “Though you detain Me, I will not eat your food. But if you offer a burnt offering, you must offer it to the Lord.” (For Manoah did not know He was the Angel of the Lord.)
17 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the Lord, “What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You?”
18 And the Angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful?”
“wonderful” – wonderful, incomprehensible, extraordinary
פִּלְאִי pilʼîy, pil-ee'; or פָּלִיא pâlîyʼ; from H6381; remarkable:—secret, wonderful.
Since Jesus was the spokesperson for God, (as the Logos), this most likely was him who visited Manoah and his wife.  If his name in heaven was “incomprehensible”, wouldn't God's name be even moreso?
9 In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.  Matt 6:9
“Hallowed” - ἁγιάζω hagiázō, hag-ee-ad'-zo; from G40; to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:—hallow, be holy, sanctify.
 
I’m sorry, but the name “Jehovah” does not venerate the Almighty God.  

 
 
 
 

One "catholic" translation of Bible came in 1969 (this was first Bible translation in communist ex-Yugoslavia), and this translation have god's name in form "Jahve" (first JW Bible in Croatian language brought form - Jehova) It is interesting how in preaching service (talking about past time, but seems it is same today) if person on door said Jahve, JW's are not willing to accept this as His name in full, but giving favor to form Jehova. When non JW using  this form instead of "official" JW name for God it sounds in the ears of JW's as "wrong" pronunciation or as less "acceptable" pronunciation.
And you can test this, just start using name Jahve in every day meetings and comments. Many elders will find need to talk with you about it :))))
 

Not that this relates, or even that anyone will believe it but :- 
Whilst trying to do some research i read an experience online, about a lady householder that was called on by two female JWs. The topic of God's name came up and the householder said that God's name is Yahweh. To cut this shot, the outcome was that the two female JWs accused the householder of not being interested in making God's name known, just because the householder would not accept the name Jehovah as being God's name. 
So, it does show how it affects situations / conversations. The householder may never speak to JWs again. 
 

You females are still deliberately bypassing the point. 
YOUR own Org, said YAHWEH was more likely to be correct. But they don't want to use what is more likely to be correct. So I agree with your Org that Yahweh is more likely to be correct. 
You see, the difference between your outlook and mine is this, You conform to your GB and it's Org and therefore you are given CCJW answers even before you ask questions.
It's a bit like scientists being paid to do research, but the one paying tells the scientists what result they MUST find. So it is in the CCJW, you are allowed to do research, but you MUST come up with the answers that the GB tell you to. 
Whereas I am now in the position of having an open mind and being able to consider all possibilities. I am not restricted to obeying men, not threatened with being shunned or d/fed.  
JW Insider seems to sit on the fence between those two choices, but you ladies seem to just follow the CCJW where ever it leads you. Srecko is a great 'breath of fresh air and life' here, because he has his totally independent viewpoint. 
One thing that is becoming abundantly clearer to me is the fact that the CCJW / W/t Soc' is American. So it seems that JWs, American or not, are very influenced by this American attitude of having to be right. Even if in the 'small print' they admit to being wrong, they still have to push this idea of being right. 
That point has been made so clear by the GB, with the Child Sexual Abuse problems. And it spreads from that into other things. The attitude of JWs on here, being so self righteous and insulting. 
Each of us should use the name for God that we honestly feel is right. If any of you are only using the name you are told to use, then IMO, it shows a lack of personal relationship with God. 
Please remember, i have no hate for any of you, I may feel disappointment but i will have to deal with that, I wish you all well. 
 

In Croatian (as in other languages), some city names (as well as other names) are spelled, written differently and pronounced differently from the original. For example, the capital of Austria is Wien (German) or Vienna (English), but in Croatian it is Beč. There is no possible way for non Croatian language reader to see some similarity and conclude it can be same town. As we all have experience with the name in this way, no matter what word you speak in any of the languages, German, English or Croatian for the Austrian capital, most people will be clear about what it is.
Perhaps there is some problems or worry about 4 letters and pronounce and/or meaning of some particular pronounce. If 4 letters representing god's name and Him personally, perhaps the simplest way how not to use wrong pronounce is just simply spelling 4 letters when want to name God. Just opinion :))
 

I just went trough some bible verses with word - baptize, baptism. Main point why first Jews going in baptism were; confessing, repenting and washing the sins, believing in Jesus, to gain clear conscience, to be saved, to be buried with Jesus, baptism into Jesus and his death, to be disciples for Jesus.
Well, baptism as such is not part of identification process with outcome, goal to be part of some Organization or Corporation, religious or not religious. 
In near future, and changing of baptism questions in WTJWORG is part of that, baptism will stay on folkloric and symbolic manifestation. New members will soon signing a documents as Factual Contract of membership to Corporation. 
 

This is an improvement
It is absolutely essential that anyone becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses is informed in advance, and realises what they are letting themselves in for.
They will become a target for defamation, criticism, specific discrimination, and a whole range of insulting and derogatory rhetoric, exemplified by some of the jibing type remarks found even on this site.
As Jesus said: "Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake." Matt. 5:11.

It seems how we are all "afflicted" with many things. Not only with Corona, religious doctrines, economy .... but also with pronunciation of letters and words :)))

Bingo!