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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Before the truth sets you free, it tends to make you miserable. - Richard Rohr...   
    Nothing sets us free. We as humans are never and will never be free.
    Humans are in subjection and always will be. 
    Quote " Before the truth sets you free, it tends to make you miserable. "
    Nothing can 'make you miserable'. People own their own feelings. A person can make themselves miserable. 
    For instance, if one is completely shunned by the CCJW, one can decide how they will deal with it.
    A person could become self centred and feel sorry for their position. OR, a person could find other things to make life feel better. Remembering that God and Christ do not shun. God and Christ are always there. No one can take your prayers away from you.
    And a person should only be miserable if they are having negative thoughts and feelings. So, control your own thoughts and feelings. But remember that we all live within limitations. We have physical limitations and spiritual ones. I've concluded that i will never truly understand scripture, so be it. I don't intend crying about it. I've also concluded that I'm not really as spiritual as I should be, and once again I'll just live with that. But I'm not seeking to 'be free', because we were designed not to be free. 
    Humans were designed to be guided by God. God has stopped guiding us it seems. My faith tells me that a time is coming when God will once again guide humans that want to be guided. I'm waiting on God to act. Maybe I'll die before God acts, who knows. Meanwhile I'll fill my life with other things. 
    But there is no freedom for humans. We are in subjection to God through Christ, or, subjection to 'the devil through this world'.  We are also in subjection to growing old and to death, unless God changes that. 
    Unfortunately the CCJW continue with their lies which makes million of  people in subjection to the GB and the CCJW. Do they call that being free ? 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Before the truth sets you free, it tends to make you miserable. - Richard Rohr...   
    It is interesting, this "stuff", the truth. I think, truth can't make us free or miserable. The truth is "just" reality, nothing more. Our "understanding" about what truth "is" or what truth "is not", can make us feel in this or that way. When we come to some sort of "revelation" about our new position in some circumstances, that is what changes our feelings. I said feelings, as first "wall" of our self made image about own position in life and in the world, in a particular society or a group, family. 
    As in words above. Terms "free" and "miserable" are mainly, firstly connected with human feelings, not with mind, brain. Our mind often makes artificial sort of truth aka lie or deceived, false truth. Our awaking from that state generates, produces liberation from mental or spiritual slavery and as one of steps in that process can be sort of misery. It depends of what is about.
    Also, it is about what issue is in question. Is it about some personal, intimate thing, some religious questions etc. Every of those specific items making different levels of "suffer".  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    Sure. Not a problem. I said exactly what you had requoted, which is this:
    The Watchtower has said that all the first century Christians were of the "anointed." Therefore they were of the "144,000."
    That's the whole explanation. You seemed to read this as if I meant the following, quoting you:
    What you understood is incorrect, of course. It was never implied by me nor by the Watchtower publications.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    I know, I just wanted to make clear that for example the so called governing body should not deny for other anointed the possibility to be a faithful and diiscreet slave. They have reserved the fulfillment of that scripture already for themselves. Somebody more faithful and discreet might be appointed to take responsibility to give spiritual food for the domestics instead of them.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    A well versed person in the O.T., apostle Paul seems to be of a different opinion. He wrote:
    Hebrews 9:5 and above it were the glorious cherubs overshadowing the propitiatory cover. But now is not the time to speak of these things in detail.
    Hebrews 11:32 And what more will I say? For time will fail me if I go on to relate about Gidʹe·on, Baʹrak, Samson, Jephʹthah, David, as well as Samuel and the other prophets.
    Yes, really time will fail if we read much the OT. We will not have time to read the latest, the NT.
    And the OT is 3 times longer than the NT. If it takes you a year to read through the Bible, then you will be reading the NT only 3 months per year. The rest of the time you will be occupied with the OT. How Christian would that be? And you could get lost in the OT and start to think that to keep the Sabbath is important. Or you could start thinking that polygamy is ok. Or you could start to think cursing enemies is ok. Or you could start thinking that you are wise if you are rich. And while reading for long periods the OT, you could forget about Jesus and begin to despise him in your thoughts.
    And there is not much about putting on the new personality in the OT. So your progress would be slowed down significantly in this regard.
    The NT will definitively have a more spiritual impact on its reader than the OT.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    It's a good question. But be careful if you are asking this question publicly in your congregation. You might not realize that this question was once near the top of the list of red flags to identify apostasy. Also, it can get mixed up with another question that was, for a while, at the very top of the list of red flags to identify apostasy: "Where in scripture does it say that any Christians were NOT of the anointed?"
    The reason is that it was The Watchtower saying that all the first century Christians were of the 'anointed', those of the 144,000.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    I see that JWs put to much focus on the Hebrew scriptures. The litterature quotes too much from the Hebrew scriptures, instead of the Christian scriptures. And as a result the JWs can not grow spiritually to the exent they would if the spiritual food was more concentrated on the Christian Greek Scriptures.
    I must admit that I had fallen for that too. There is really a huge difference between the norms of behavior and and way for life to practise between the Hebrew scriptures and the Cristian greek scriptures.
    Jesus came with new light about many things. About riches and material things, love, self-sacrifice etc.
    But, it is good to know the Hebrew scriptures and especially the prophecies about the end time. But the way of life for Christians is taught in the Christian Greek scriptures.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    The CCJW does not have truth. Nor can they have because they are not inspired of God's Holy spirit. 
    Truth is from Almighty God through Jesus Christ, not through 8 men claiming to be the F&DS but who have failed in every way to provide true guidance. 
    The foundation of truth from God's word has been known for a long long time. So what have the GB of CCJW offered ? False prophecy, lies, heavy burdens and traditions of men. They are indeed a stumbling block of great magnitude and they will suffer for it. Luke 17 v 1&2. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in Demas, Scriptures Daily 13th March 2020   
    Have you notised that JWs usually express it saying "be in the truth", but apostle Paul usually said instead to "be in Christ". Why this difference?
    Here an example:
    Romans 16:3 Give my greetings to Prisʹca and Aqʹui·la, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus,...7 Greet An·dronʹi·cus and Juʹni·as, my relatives and fellow prisoners, who are men well-known to the apostles and who have been in union with Christ longer than I have…..9 Greet Ur·baʹnus, our fellow worker in Christ, and my beloved Staʹchys. 10  Greet A·pelʹles, the approved one in Christ. Greet those from the household of A·ris·tobʹu·lus. …..16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the congregations of the Christ greet you.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    I hope it works out well for you.
    I will just wait and see what happens ... unless I am already safely dead.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The Coffee Can Principle illustrated   
    According to some quotes i find on public news, in Croatia (cca 4 000 000 population) number of death because of flu and complication flu made, is 300-500 per year.
    And as you very well noticed, life go on despite this numbers. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Shiwiii in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Couldn't the same be said of Mormons/Catholics/Lutherans etc.?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Quote @James Thomas Rook Jr. "You complain without offering a better solution, as to what to call those trying to keep over 8 million people directed, focused, organized, and productive with fine works."
    Um, more like keeping 8 million people as puppets, under strict control, fearful of being shunned or d/fed, fed false information and complete lies, just so the GB can be happy having complete control as dictators and keep the money coming in.  Whilst at the same time the GB keep the Anointed down trodden but want praise given to the Elders, Elders that I would not trust with my pet cat and certainly not with my spiritual health. 
    Actually your tittle for the GB seems quite fitting "Ugly Bags of Mostly Water." 
    But if the people 'Serving' the Org were International as it should be, then it could be something like "International Servants" of CCJW. 
    After all, aren't they supposed to SERVE not GOVERN ? 
     
    Spiritual Gift of Serving and Ministering
    The spiritual gift of service, or ministering, covers a wide range of activities in its application.  There are two Greek words for this gift.  The first one, found in Romans 12:7, is Diakonia.  The basic meaning of this word is “to wait tables,” but it is most often translated in the Bible as “ministry.”  It refers to any act of service done in genuine love for the edification of the community.  The word Antilepsis is translated “helping” and is found in 1 Corinthians 12:28. It has a similar meaning: to help or aid in love within the community.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    At least attempting to bring TRUTH to the average person, about God and his Kingdom.
    As an example, the basic core truths of the Bible were also correctly discerned many years ago by Sir Isaac Newton .... but he kept them to himself.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Shiwiii in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    self admitted by their own mouths, they are not. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Shiwiii in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    hahaha WHAT? 
    Do you really think this way? 
    Don't you know you ARE suppose to question the teachings of men? 
    These guys have already stated their position on being inspired by God, they're NOT. So it is important to question their teachings, unless of course you are a lemming. . 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Matthew 23:10  Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
    How much worse is it then to call themself Governing body?
    I think apostle Paul has something to say to those calling themself Governing body:
    1 Corinthians 4:7  For who makes you different from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, in fact, you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not receive it? 8  Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings. 9  For it seems to me that God has put us the apostles last on exhibition as men condemned to death, because we have become a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels and to men. 10  We are fools because of Christ, but you are discreet in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are held in honor, but we in dishonor.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    You need to learn the difference between serving God through Christ, OR serving the CCJW through the GB. 
    I don't think people question scripture, but they do question how your GB misuse scripture. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    If WTJWorg use all sort of "witnessing" to explain and assure humankind how..................................................................  all people who will not join Organization to worship God in JW's way of religious devotion ............... will be destroyed in Armageddon ...................
    in what sort of speech we can put such words?
    Do we need WT lawyers to explain us to whom belong photos and articles and intellectual property that generate this sort of speech ?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Wow. You know, when I post photos (seldom here) I generally make sure that they are either my own, of common domain, or acceptable to post if giving credit, which I do. There have been times, however, when when it just seems too picayune to go through all this for just a Insignificant post in social media that will be seen once and never again—who could possibly care? Your experience gives me me pause for thought.
    I hope it was not me who was the bad boy that posted what made you trouble. Profuse apologies if so. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to admin in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    @Leander H. McNelly No. It had nothing to do with Watchtower in this case.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Leander H. McNelly in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Is it any different when people think they can just get up and slander an organization? Create falsehood in order to further the agenda of ex-witnesses and remove those that defend the truth and scripture from that kind of misrepresentation?
    At one point, the mighty dollar needed to come to a decision that is afforded to all organization. Malice and immoral behavior is not considered free speech anymore. A topic being looked at in the USA without infringing on the constitution. Free speech is NOT the same as hate speech. What is hate speech. Look up the word "INCITE" and Violating copyright material is NOT free speech.
    That's why it is good this site closed its doors to further slander. Was it necessary? NO! all they needed to do is "prevent" the kind of festering malice and copyright, problem solved.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    "It was rogue lawyers looking to sue people who post other people's photos in this case."
    Like those of the GB.
    In this group, it's got to be rogue Watchtower lawyers. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to admin in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    @TrueTomHarley Actually.... it was rogue lawyers looking to sue people who post other people's photos in this case.
    In the past they only had to ask .... maybe file a DMCA request to the admin of the site......that was all that was necessary.
     
    IP Lawyers in Europe and elsewhere have upped their game to skip the normal steps above straight to sending out threatening cease and desist letters with "penalties" they are asking for in the thousands per photo.
    Needless to say for such low budget sites like this one..... you do the risk / reward calculation in your head.
     
    Hence.... closed to new members..... and closed to the public and hopefully their snooping attorneys.
    I am hoping the ad revenue from existing users will pay for itself / storage etc....
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    There! You see? All you nasty people came in to carry on the way you do and you spoiled it for good people like me.
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