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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    ...about this, I have no idea ... it seemed to fall apart when Larry showed up.
    UPDATE:
    I just checked .. this IS what used to be called the open club.
    The name of the Jehovah's Witnesses open club was changed to a closed club ..... and the former Jehovah's Witnesses closed club is still a closed club, but has been re-labeled JWs Only.
    whew!
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Jesus asks:  “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Matthew 24:45
    Looks like it is not about a group of men, but a single anointed.
    In addition apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 10:18 For it is not the one who recommends himself who is approved, but the one whom Jehovah recommends.
    The Governing Body is breaking the rule by recommending themselves. Not only that, but requiring that they are considered as discreet and faithful. Otherwise you are thrown out. Where is the modesty?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Leander H. McNelly in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    You need to learn the difference between posting about humility when you have known. Therefore, you just nullified your post.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Leander H. McNelly in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Between what, their actions, spirituality. You seem to forget, God puts spiritual "leaders" for a reason. A reason you refuse to comprehend.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Questioning the WT organization is nothing different than what John the Baptist and Jesus did questioning the religious organization of their days.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    Thank you for the scriptures, @Kosonen.  God’s Temple/house/sanctuary is “built” on the “humble” anointed ones.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  With those you have quoted, we can see that one of his goals was/is to teach those of the anointed Body, to become humble, as he was humble.   They are the mountain/house of the Lord; certainly it is not a "mountainlike organization".  
    Brothers, consider your calling: Not many are wise from a human perspective, not many powerful, not many of noble birth. 27 Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong. 28 God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world—what is viewed as nothing—to bring to nothing what is viewed as something     1 Cor 1:26-28 
     
    This is what the Lord says:
    “Heaven is my throne,
        and the earth is my footstool.
    Where is the house you will build for me?
        Where will my resting place be?
    2 Has not my hand made all these things,
        and so they came into being?”
    declares the Lord.
    “These are the ones I look on with favor:
        those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
        and who tremble at my word.  Isa 66:1,2
     
    “For we are God’s coworkers. You are God’s field, God’s building. 10 According to God’s grace that was given to me, I have laid a foundation as a skilled master builder, and another builds on it. But each one must be careful how he builds on it. 11 For no one can lay any other foundation than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ. “ 1 Cor 3:9-11
     
    “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord. 22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.”  Eph 2:20-22
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    You need to learn the difference between serving God through Christ, OR serving the CCJW through the GB. 
    I don't think people question scripture, but they do question how your GB misuse scripture. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kosonen in It is good to remind oneself about humility   
    You need to learn the difference between serving God through Christ, OR serving the CCJW through the GB. 
    I don't think people question scripture, but they do question how your GB misuse scripture. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Srecko:
    You needed to coordinate your speaking assignments, and gestures, with severe lightning and thunderstorms.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    No, actually ... figuratively speaking I am sitting on a beer keg in my driveway with a big frosted mug, watching people on BOTH sides of the fence, AND those sitting on the fence, and those running around screaming with their hair on fire.
    I have related this before, but one day after the Watchtower Study, I was surrounded by three Elders in the aisle way, and the one in front of me asked, without any preamble whatsoever "Brother Rook ... What do you think of the Governing Body?"
    I replied in an instant .. : " I do not think of them at all."
    The stopped harassing me for several years after that.
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    I have to answer directly to Jehovah God.
    THEY have to answer directly to Jehovah God.
    I just watch and take notes as they run around with their hair on fire.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    James, you make me laugh. As TTH has said, you do have a way with words. 
    But still you seem to support the 'cause'. 
    To quote Jesus words at Luke 9 v 50  “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.”
    So if you are not against the Governing Body of CCJW, I presume you must be for them. 
    Or are you 'sitting on the fence' ? Playing both sides. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    All that aside, Losch was in my opinion a craven coward for NOT appearing as ordered ... and chickened out on a magnificent opportunity to defend Truth, whatever it was.
    He was the PMQ (Person Most Qualified), as determined by the California court system, as he was the only Governing Body Member whose institutional memory went all the way back to the beginning (?) of the CSA cover-ups.
    He chose to subvert the determination of what is true, to save  a great deal of money, and a great deal of real estate.
    Righteousness comes when TRUTH comes first, and your survival comes second.
    He did not, at his age, want to be a greeter at the door of Wal-Mart, and live at poverty level.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    If I "lied", (but not through my teeth which sounds extremely sinister), I apologize for erring in my assumption.  But I’m not sure that I really have lied, unlike someone I know who lives a sinister lie about who he is.  Honestly, I have no clue why the charades continue.  
    You are the lawyer or somehow connected with law; so, you would know better than me.  But this is what I see:
    A subpoena and a summons are similar because they both give notice about a court proceeding. Differences between a subpoena and a summons include:
    who they are given to when they are given what they are used for What is a summons?
    A summons is an official notice of a lawsuit. It is given to the person being sued. If you sue someone, they need to know about it. This way, they can come to court and fight the lawsuit. When you serve the defendant with a summons, you officially tell that you are suing them. You must follow the rules for giving the summons to the defendants to properly file your case. For helpful videos on filing court papers, see the Law Basics Video Series.
    What is a subpoena?
    A subpoena is a court order. You can use a subpoena to require a person to come to court, go to a deposition, or give documents or evidence to you. You must serve the subpoena on the person. https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/what-difference-between-summons-and-subpoena
     
    From what I am understanding, he received a “notice of deposition/subpoena because he was assumed to be a “managing agent” for the WT, and which he denied...in a cowardly way. 
     
    https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2016/d066388.html
    After contentious discovery disputes, the court issued two discovery orders against Watchtower: (1) compelling the deposition of an individual (Gerrit Losch) whom the court found was a "managing agent" of Watchtower; and (2) ordering the production of documents in Watchtower's files pertaining to other perpetrators of child sexual abuse. When Watchtower failed to comply with these orders, the court granted Lopez's motion for monetary and terminating sanctions, struck Watchtower's answer, and entered Watchtower's default. 
     
     
    “Notice of Taking Deposition of Gerrit Losch, With Production of Documents REQUIRED Video Recorded for Use At Trial”
    http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Lopez-4NOL-Exhibits-21-38.pdf
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Shiwiii in Forgiveness of sins   
    Who can forgive sins but God alone?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    My goodness, what a liar.  
    G. Jackson:  
     “Mr. Stewart, what you need to understand with regard to our organization…is a faith-driven organization.  Now the governing body realizes that if we were to give some direction that is not in harmony with God’s word all of Jehovah’s Witnesses world wide who have the Bible, would notice that and they would see…as a wrong direction.  If direction is given based on the Bible, we would expect them to follow that…"
    When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.   W 13/11/15 p 20
     
    For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear.  2 Tim 4:3
    The driving force/faith is toward the organization, that it will NEVER mislead its adherents.  
    If anyone teaches false doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.  1 Tim 6:4,5
    False doctrine?  Yes.  The organization has a very long list of it and none of it was "sound teaching/doctrine".  
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-letter-i-received-hi-sister-pearl-i.html
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Yes, of course.  G. Losh did when he received the subpoena to show in court.  As a coward, he had his lawyers devise a "legitimate" excuse not to appear.  With all your lawyerly background, did you have something to do with that?
    Yes, of course.  And they pay the consequences.
    What does that have to do with it?  
     
    They have, by hiding child abuse cases instead of reporting to the police where mandatory.    
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Leander ...um... may I call you Larry, or would you prefer Alan Smith?
    Your credibility is ZERO.
    You assume the screen nickname of Leander H. McNelly, an Officer in the military of the Confederate States of America, and Captain of the Texas Rangers, yet the photo you use as an avatar is of Alexander Hamilton, U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, reading the constitution of the Bank of New York..
    Whatever pills you are taking, I suspect you are not taking nearly enough of them.
    You are truly a Legend in your own mind.

    ..... either THAT, or you might be a Watchtower Lawyer or Accountant.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Haha, it seems how you forget G. Jackson explanation before ARC, when he said how "spiritual disobedience" have to be normal and wished reaction of/for every mature JW member who, after testing GB instructions and doctrine, decide to NOT obey JW shepherds aka leaders.
     
    Well, GB member openly and clearly promote "spiritual disobedience" inside JW Church. 
    Question is: Whether the "will of God" (in Romans 13 context) is revealed through GB or through secular government ??? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    As an interesting aside, dovetailing with another discussion I started  of "WHY ... does God not consider Warfare .... Murder ?" (paraphrased?) ...here is how the United States viewed General Lee's waging of war against it.
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    From the Spring 2005 Issue of " Prologue Magazine"::
    " On a spring day 140 years ago, Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee met face to face in the parlor of Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox Court House, Virginia. On that historic occasion, April 9, 1865, the two generals formalized the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, thus bringing an end to four years of fighting between North and South.
    After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.
    On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.
    Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:
    "Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65."
    On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. But Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. And the fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history.
    More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee's Amnesty Oath among State Department records (reported in Prologue, Winter 1970). Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee's application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath.
    In 1975, Lee's full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored by a joint congressional resolution effective June 13, 1865.
    At the August 5, 1975, signing ceremony, President Gerald R. Ford acknowledged the discovery of Lee's Oath of Allegiance in the National Archives and remarked: "General Lee's character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride." "
    ===========================================================
    Perhaps it is because of conscience, that God does not consider warfare, murder, as all non agenda driven men of conscience fully realize.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Even in the military, if one Officer gives another subordinate Officer a legal, but clearly humiliating order .... such as scrubbing the bathroom floor with a toothbrush ... he is obligated  to obey that order ... or resign his commission as an Officer in that military.
    Robert E. Lee, a Union Army  Military Officer, was ordered to wage war against those States in rebellion, including his native Virginia, during the American Civil war.
    He disobeyed that lawful order, stating "I cannot raise my sword against my native Virginia", resigned his commission in the United States Army, and joined the Confederate States of America, and DEFENDED Virginia against invasion, and waged war against the United States of America.
    Sometimes a REAL man has to disobey legitimate authority over him, to obey the dictates of his own conscience.
    You have to be a man first ... before you can be a theocratic man, and of course that applies also to women.
    Insects have males and females.
    MEN ARE NOT ANTS.!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    The same "due process" is afforded to all that enter into a legal challenge. Therefore, what's good for opposers is also good for the Watchtower. 
    BUT JESUS SAID 
    Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you..
    What part of that do you not understand ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Leander H. McNelly in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    You won't find it with your current destructive attitude. You had a good knowledge base driven understanding until you decided to look at the imperfections of humanity only to find, when it comes to "sin" no one is above another regardless which religion you're in, or in some cases, they worship God in private which is worse. All driven against God, since leaving a spiritual nation hurts him more than it does the nation. When will you learn?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    Since this case has surfaced, I now understand the "fair use act" and what you say about the act is true.  But, the WT may assertively follow secular laws of men as well as aggressively reject them; depending on whether they are useful to protect their image, or if they threaten to expose their image as "unclean".  They seek to establish their own "righteousness"; which is ultimately, hypocrisy.  Rom 10:3
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    The CCJW has a LOT correct .... like going to McDonald's to get a fish sandwich.
    I REALLY like those fish sandwiches ... but could do without the "Ronald McDonald" clowns with the size 200 patent yellow shoes.
    ..... same thing.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Reddit Will Not Have to Hand Over Identity of Former Jehovah's Witness   
    It is not I that has "rejected" scripture, it is you that has done so, and for what, to find an excuse to further your personal cause. A cause riddled in ignorance.
    My 'cause' is to get closer to God through Christ and through God's written word, not through men. My search is for truth. The CCJW does not seem to have truth. 
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