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It is not I that has "rejected" scripture, it is you that has done so, and for what, to find an excuse to further your personal cause. A cause riddled in ignorance.
My 'cause' is to get closer to God through Christ and through God's written word, not through men. My search is for truth. The CCJW does not seem to have truth. 

Perhaps, massive text is need for sake of CONTEXT :))))) 

Did Jesus said anyone in  WTJWorg Company to use exactly this secular trade right ??? :))

Naturally! WTJWorg using Bible verse how all "spiritual food" (not only Bible text), ALL what this Company published, released in any format) is FREE OF CHARGE for humankind. 
WT lawyers purposely and with bad motives working against, exactly the same, Bible Principles that WTJWorg using to PROMOTE own Agenda and defend own standpoint.
And, yes, you accented second thing without fail. WTJWorg expects that members and even those who are not members, Repeating as much frequently is possible this diapason of "spiritual food" around the globe. Free of charge. Well, about what sort of "intellectual property and publishing rights", in fact, we speaking about ???? :)))
Because, GB members assure people how all this "spiritual food in proper time" is "food from above, from Jesus and God and NOT Theirs :))
And we all know, Bible never said how human need permission in using Jesus' and God' "intellectual property and publishing rights" :)))

With me you are wrong! I have yet to agree with your banter 😂

I do not agree with ANYBODY.
I look at things on the face value of things as they are, as they stand alone.
I do not agree with Witnesses.
I do not agree with non-Witnesses.
If anything .... they agree with ME.

You're preaching to the choir, John Butler and whatever else account you have here. Don't be too quick to fall for "witness" denseness of whom that person thinks someone is.
It is not I that has "rejected" scripture, it is you that has done so, and for what, to find an excuse to further your personal cause. A cause riddled in ignorance.

"There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, but has not been cleansed from its filth.” 
Thanks @TrueTomHarley that fits your GB and CCJW very well.
I did read it all as you knew I would, and I laughed all through it. Thank you for giving me something to laugh at. 
As I've mentioned before though, it seems your only purpose for being on this forum is to promote your own writings/books. I see that as selfish but you probably see it as opportunity. 
If Australia (CCJW) started recording CSA accusations over 50 years ago then America being the starting point of the religion, would surely have started recording CSA before that. So the leaders, even prior to there being a GB, would have known about the problem. Besides which, if the CCJW was in any way inspired by God, they would have been well prepared to sort it out when it first started. If God gave the Nation of Israel guidelines, why would he not give His so called 'chosen organisation' guidelines ? 
And of course TTH deliberately fails to mention that, in the 1st century, Christians WERE INSPIRED OF GOD. Hence 1st century Christians were given guidance by God's Holy Spirit. THEY DID NOT DO IMPORTANT THINGS, OF THEIR OWN ABILITY. 
Whereas the leaders of CCJW, the GB, are NOT inspired of GOD, so are not capable of doing important things, such as guiding God's people. 
And as TTH seems to like going on about CSA. One more important point is this. IT IS NOT ONLY THE CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE ITSELF, THAT IS THE CRIME AND SIN, BUT IT IS THE HIDING OF PAEDOPHILES IN THE CONGREGATIONS, AND KEEPING SECRET THE INFORMATION OF SEXUAL ABUSE, THE TELLING LIES, THE REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH THE 'SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES' (who are set in place by God), THE DESTRUCTION OF HARD COPY PAPERWORK, AND THE ATTITUDE OF THE GB AND OTHERS IN 'AUTHORITY' WITHIN THE CCJW. 
ONE PAEDOPHILE IN ONE CONGREGATION CAN ABUSE 5 OR 10, OR 20 CHILDREN OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
So TTH, it's not the number of paedophiles in CCJW that is the only issue. 

Quote ' If not, what's the point in wanting to be Christian if obedience is not is one's heart. Baptism is a direct pledge to God. '
Obedience to God through Christ is what is required. And baptism is to God through Christ too. 
Neither requires obedience to men or an organisation. 

Oh how these followers of MEN are showing their hurt and pain at being exposed. 
Dear TTH is trying so hard to put me to shame, and for what ?  Asking someone's opinion on matters. 
Where as what does TTH offer in spiritual thoughts and words ?  
To quote TTH " The very idea is so preposterous—a true anointed to appear out of who-knows-where at the final moments of this system of things, with just enough time for the true sheep of the earth to recognize, grab hold of them, and thereby save themselves at the final day. It’s just too ridiculous. "
Firstly I never said 'at the final moments of this system of things'. I said that 'in my opinion' it would be another 10 years before Judgement Day, and the true Anointed would be known long before that. As for 'the true sheep of the earth' that is the expression of TTH not me. And as for thereby save themselves, um, I always thought it was God through Christ, that did the 'saving' not the people saving themselves. 
My feelings are that TTH thinks all miracles are just too ridiculous. to actually believe. Showing a complete lack of faith. 
As for LHMcN I think he needs to re-read scripture about worshipping. 
Quote "Are you saying, witnesses are actively worshiping the GB?' 
Yes they are worshipping the GB and the writing dept and JW Org. JWs have been worshipping the Organisation since it's birth. The early 1970's was proof positive of such. When GOD'S WRITTEN WORD makes it so clear that humans will not know the day or the hour, BUT an Organisation's leaders tells its congregants that  Armageddon will be in the early to mid 1970's, and so those congregants obey the instruction of their leaders against the instructions of GOD'S WORD, then those congregants are worshipping the leaders of that Organisation. 
Further more the name Jehovah seems to be less relevant now to that Org as the JW Org logo seems to take precedence.

Considering the fact that all Jehovah's Witnesses materials are "free" to the end user, the correct logic of your statement is inescapable.
EVERYTHING we say ... in print, video, and from the platform ..... we SHOULD want repeated as much as possible, by ANYBODY who will "spread the good news".
I believe there is a scripture that says exactly that ...that the Apostles complained to Jesus about someone else using their "material", and Jesus said it was OK. (paraphrased).
jw.org evidence for gods kingdom not based on faith but scientific evidence.mp4

For example, God's commands such: "Do not ...do this or that" are part of, i think, all and every secular law from past until today. Well, in fundamental things secular laws lean on God's law and principles in that law. :))
If i say on this Forum that you talking nonsense, but you not allow me to use your quotes and topics you published in public, that means HERE, (articles and books in other places if you published, too)  where you posted your nonsense in printing or video and voice form, but you say how i break your "intellectual property and rights", than it is really NONSENSE. :)))

You misrepresent me:
I will copy anybodys' work under what I consider is "fair use", for non-commercial purposes.
Fair use means they do not shoot at me.
If they do, just to be fair, I shoot back.

People can be incensed WITHOUT being self righteous.
They can be incensed because they hunger for righteousness.

Another sage statement from JTR—he is firing hot lately, I can hardly believe it—is the above.
Yes. We want our people to be Rhodes Scholars who never misjudge, who easily hold their own among the brightest the university has to offer, and whose every utterance sweeps you away for its sheer brilliance.
What we get is a bunch of yahoos who make all the blunders that yahoos have always made. We should not run from this. We should embrace it. It is because Christians are derived from—the very ones taking the lead were—‘uneducated and ordinary.’ (Acts 4:13) They always remained so, by the standards of greater society.
We should embrace it because that is what God favors—“the uneducated and ordinary.” In the brilliant book ‘Tom Irregardless and Me’ (which, brilliant though it is, cannot touch ‘No Greater Love—How My Family Survived Genocide in Ryanda’) I wrote of how the great ideas of this world’s thinkers
“all sounded good – heaven knows one can spin college degrees from them. But when put to the test – when placed under stress – they don’t work.
One might suppose that the architect of ideas that don’t work would be discredited. Bizarrely, the ‘doesn’t work’ caveat doesn’t matter. It is just the fine print at document’s end which nobody reads....Surely it is the fault of the little people below and not the great idea!’....It is that way with the bedrock ideas upon which this world is constructed. Despite being lauded to high heaven, they don’t work. Those who have earned university degrees in them do not sacrifice any prestige on that account. Instead, they go on to master other ideas that don’t work.
God laughs at the wisdom of this world, and in the passage above we see why. He says: 
“There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, but has not been cleansed from its filth.” (Proverbs 30:12) Tell them: “Show us the just world that has resulted from your brilliance, and then maybe we can talk.”
So we ought not run from our ordinariness. We should embrace it. When Celsus ridicules 2nd century Christians for being “labourers, shoemakers, farmers, the most uninformed and clownish of men,” don’t run away from that quote. Don’t try to mitigate it (as do most Christian apologists). Instead, say: “You don’t know the half of it!”
A frequent trait of all my writing—which is not appreciated by all Witnesses—is to give away many a fault, particularly faults that make some look ridiculous, as when Tom Irregardless rattles on for ten minutes in that instruction talk about a woman’s ‘ministerial cycle’ because he has forgotten the word ‘menstrual.’ He recalls only cruder terms that he knows would not be suitable for the platform. (This really happened.) There is a joke about the sister who collected $6000 dollars by selling eggs every time her husband gave a bad talk—and brothers collapse upon themselves telling that joke—yet no one will tell it within 300 yards of Tom Irregardless because with him it is no joke—it is reality. You risk hurting his feelings, “Why would anybody ever take that risk? In all your days you will never find a more caring, generous person than Tom Irregardless. If you need help he is there. You can pop in at the Irregardless home anytime; they are delighted to see you. They don’t wonder why you didn’t call first. Tom is an excellent man through and through, but only in Jehovah’s organization would he be a public instructor.”
[Actually, this is not nearly so true as it once was, since in recent years there has been more emphasis on speaker quality and less opportunity for them to mess up]
The point is not to humiliate people. The point is to glorify God. When great things are accomplished and the workers themselves are great, you can say that was the reason. But when great things are accomplished and the workers are yo-yos, the glory goes to God. So not only do I not hide embarrassing things—I highlight and even exaggerate them—always with 2 Corinthians 12:9 in mind: 
“But he [God] said to me [Paul]: “My undeserved kindness is sufficient for you, for my power is being made perfect in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I will boast about my weaknesses...”
I can now come to the main point of this comment, knowing that 4J will have stopped reading long ago and is now working up a retort about my being “long-winded yet saying nothing.” The brothers should have followed this strategy of admitting faults with regard to CSA as well. Rather than hope for the perception that CSA could never ever occur among a people devoted to God, they should have said: “Oh, yeah—tell us about it—we’ve had some of those slime balls, too, and let me tell you they are tough to deal with!” It would have all been good. We would not be having opposers who now carry on as though with the mission statement:
“CSA among JWs is very very serious and must be exposed! CSA among the 99.9% that is everywhere else? Stuff happens—what do we care?”
It would have been better if no one had ever thought it necessary to write that May 2019 article pointing out that the reproach of CSA falls on the abuser and not on the congregation. It’s a great article, and timely, but it would have been better if nobody had ever thought it necessesary.
When I used to be a bad boy and interacted with the malcontents, I would point out that the CSA is not prolific among JWs. They (the more reasonable ones) would respond with: “Oh, so now you are saying that you have the same problems as everyone else!” They accepted my premise, that we do abhor it and it is not prolific—it was the perception of self-righteousness that got them incensed. It would have been better to have given no cause for that perception, and it would be nice if it is a lesson internalized for future guidance.
It is very very difficult to be the required “no part of the world” and not be perceived as self-righteous, because the world automatically takes offense at non-participation. “If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own,” says Jesus. “Now because you are no part of the world, the world hates you.” Still, I think we do unnecessarily bring trouble upon ourselves sometimes, and the above is a prime example.
 

Perhaps it's you that needs to reread scripture and understand it in the spirit it was meant to be understood with its proper context. Scripture states, man will not know the "DAY" nor the "HOUR", it also says to be ever vigilant to approaching signs. The GB doesn't need to know the day nor the hour, but they do need to stay vigilant current noticeable signs just like any witness should.
The same problem Jews had with the AD70 destruction of the temple.
Therefore, your proposition of witnesses worshiping the GB is the most "false" statement made here by disgruntled ex-witnesses.

Everything we say, write, or do, should be completely transparent ... and further WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF EVERYTHING WE SAY, WRITE OR DO !
If not ... reparations and profound real heart felt apologies .... and public changes are in order.
I don't know about you .... but I have never heard the Society apologize about ANYTHING !!!
 EVER!!
 
 

@Leander H. McNelly, I'm just curious, what’s with the  “G-d”, Allen? You cannot say “God”, but you can say man’s invention of YHVH as “Jehovah”? 
But, that’s beside the point.  You remarked that the GB are willing to die “for his name’s sake”.  No. They are not.  Do you not remember that G. Losh stated that soon, 'before Armageddon arrives', the “faithful and discreet slave”  will be taken to heaven to reign with Christ?  They don't believe they will die for Jesus Christ.  They believe they already "reign" with him.  
Those who are willing to “die” for Jesus Christ have already done so at the hands of the dual power within your organization.  The anointed and any who turn to Jesus Christ, as the Head of the anointed Body, (instead of your GB) are spiritually “killed” through disfellowshipping.   Rom 8:33  Whenever someone rejects the headship of your GB, they are either shunned or disfellowshipped which really has the same result:
52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”  Luke 12:52,53
 No, I don’t believe the GB is “God”, but worship does not always require bending down on one’s knees.  We can idolize a person or a thing by submitting ourselves as “slaves” to them.  Now, if a person tells the elder body that they will listen only to Jesus Christ and not the GB, that person previously enslaved to men and the organization is cut down…”thrown out of the synagogue”.  John 16:2; Eph 4:25;5:11; Rev 13:15
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?  Rom 6:16
Yes, Rev 13:11 is your GB.  Rev 13:1,2 is your organization.
That’s a really good question.  Perhaps you should ask yourself why anyone who desires to serve only  Jesus Christ and the Father are, by the organization rules, judged as “dead” by mere men?  It is what to be expected in these last days, when following Jesus Christ.  Rev 11:7; 13:15; Rev 6:9-11
So if, through your faith in Christ, you are dead to the principles of this world’s life, why, as if you were still part and parcel of this world-wide system, do you take the slightest notice of these purely human prohibitions—“Don’t touch this,” “Don’t taste that” and “Don’t handle the other”? “This”, “that” and “the other” will all pass away after use! I know that these regulations look wise with their self-inspired efforts at worship, their policy of self-humbling, and their studied neglect of the body. But in actual practice they do honour, not to God, but to man’s own pride. Col 2:20-23
2 Tim 4:3; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:14,13,15,16
 
 

And don’t get me going on how I read his interactions with JWI:
“Dear JWI: I want to point out that you are wrong, but the trouble is—I don’t really know anything. Please supply some facts so I can tell you how wrong you are about them.” 
And JWI, with unlimited patience that is always hurled back in his face, obliges! 
Or maybe he is just like me—he wants to say what he wants to say, and he is not fussy as to what provides the pretext to say it.

It is very sad to see those people that pretend to serve God, but are making is so so clear on this forum that they serve an Organisation run by men. That they have to take a serious subject and mock it purely because they cannot stand truth, or are too frightened to examine their own personal reasons for serving men instead of serving God through Christ. 
It would be so easy to pull apart everything they say, but I'm sure the scriptures tell us not  to argue with such ones. They have set themselves in a comfortable position whereby they just follow the rules and teachings of 8 men and a writing department, even though they know that those 8 men and writing department are not inspired by God's holy spirit. 
It reminds me of millions of people following a young girl, Greta something or other. Some people just have to follow another person or group of people. They have to have a physical person or object to see and serve with their human eyes. Did they never have a spiritual 'eye' ? Could they never see with their hearts the things set before us by God. 
I suggest that those people spend more time reading the scriptures. Rebuild your faith in God.
Remember that ALMIGHTY GOD CAN DO MIRACLES. And that HE CAN SUPPLY HOLY SPIRIT for whatever purpose HE chooses. 
If Gods wants to put new leaders in place, or if God wants to have a new Organisation, can you stop Him?
Are you so proud of the GB and what it has done ? Are you proud of all the failure in JW Org ? Do you honestly think God and Christ are proud of the GB and JW Org ? 
And the main question I suppose for each of us is, Would YOU make adjustments in YOU OWN life to serve God properly through Christ and not through men ?
Time will tell. And God's plans will move forward with or without any of us. 
Soon may God's name be sanctified.
Soon may God's will be done here on this Earth as it is being done in heaven. 
 

A federal judge in San Francisco ruled a Redditor’s posts citing Watch Tower’s copyrighted works were fair use but that online free speech “is a developing area where the standards are far from settled.”
Reddit will not have to turn over the identity of a user to the organizational body of the Jehovah’s Witness faith after a judge ruled Monday in a copyright dispute with major potential implications for online free speech.
In a 16-page order, U.S. District Judge James Donato of the Northern District of California found that a Reddit contributor’s posts critiquing the church and its administrative body, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, were a non-infringing fair use of the group’s copyrighted works.
Rejecting a magistrate judge’s prior recommendation, Donato granted a motion to quash a subpoena from Watch Tower seeking identifying information of a Redditor known as Darkspilver. The subpoena, issued to Reddit last January, sought Darkspilver’s subscriber information, name, telephone number, address, email and IP addresses, under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Reddit declined to respond to the subpoena, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation intervened on behalf of the anonymous user.
“The only authorized purpose for the subpoena under the DMCA was to discover his identity as an alleged copyright infringer to protect Watch Tower’s copyrights,” Donato said. “If Darkspilver establishes that he made fair use of the copyrighted works, no claim of copyright infringement could plausibly be alleged against him, and the subpoena would not be authorized under the DMCA.”
Last May, U.S. Magistrate Judge Sallie Kim of the Northern District of California ruled that Reddit must reveal the identity of the user, but only to attorneys involved in the case. Donato said Kim’s approach of applying the First Amendment to anonymous online speech was problematic. “It is a developing area where the standards are far from settled,” he wrote.
Donato also said that Kim’s invocation of the two-part test for anonymous speech the Northern District of California developed in 2005 in Highfields Capital Management v. Doe did not involve the key elements of copyright or the DMCA. “Highfields, the source of the test, involved claims sounding in trademark and unfair competition, but not copyright law or fair use,” he said.
When it came to the fair use arguments, the judge said that Watch Tower failed to challenge any of the evidence.
“Instead, it offers the general challenge that the inquiry is ‘woefully premature’ because
fair use is an affirmative defense that can’t be considered unless and until a complaint is on file,” according to the opinion. “This is a surprising proposition given that Watch Tower was required to evaluate fair use before sending its take-down notice to Reddit, and that Watch Tower and its attorney represented they had done that. They are not well situated to say now that the inquiry should wait.”
Reddit and Alex Moss of the Electronic Frontier Foundation did not respond to a request for comment Monday evening.
Watch Tower’s counsel, Paul D. Polidoro, an in-house lawyer for Watch Tower in Warwick, New York, and Anthony Smith of the Law Office of Anthony V. Smith in San Mateo, California, also did not respond to a message requesting comment late Monday.
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I seriously cannot under why the GB / Watchtower are spending Congregant's money on such court cases. 
Matthew 5 v 38 through 42 states quite clearly 
“You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’a 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.d
The GB and their Lawyers obviously do not live by this scripture. 
 

When did God personally tell you, you were his voice? When did God make you a spokesman for God? Butler!
Whatever channel God choices, he makes it. Neither you, me, TTH, JTR, JWinsider nor especially any ex-witness is going to tell God how to set standards here on earth.
Everyone here doesn't seem to understand, the GB are prepared to die as the apostles did for his name sake. That is in harmony with scripture. The GB are prepared to be imprisoned because of the loud and wild accusations lead before them by disgruntles ex-witnesses and opposers. Rutherford and the board of directors went to prison on the Vatican's influence.
Nothing but nothing will change the hearts of those loyal responsible witnesses. Can anyone here say the same? If you say yes! Rethink your entire life, since this one would be fake. 😁

But as the GB and JW Org are not inspired of God how will they ever know ?  

Lol God has couple of options.
1. New organization.
2. Fix any organization, probably no JW as far as i know Gods name is not Jehovah.
3. No organization at all. 

It sure is, for all of us.  I relate to what @4Jah2me said about developing a close relationship with the Father and Jesus since being out of the Watchtower. I have heard others who have left the organization say similar.  The scriptures and the wisdom within them, begin to speak to us as never before.  It reminds me of 1 Cor 1:20-25
  "Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe. 22 For indeed, Jews ask for sign miracles and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a cause for stumbling, but to the Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom,and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength."
I do cherish Proverbs 8 where we can spiritually visualize the wisdom of God and Jesus Christ.