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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    My sins are many and i see no reason why Yeshua should chose to give me life. However that does not stop me from wanting to warn others about the Watchtower and JW Org. I have a love for people that I feel deserve love.  I do not feel that JWs deserve love. However i do know that I should freely forgive anyone that 'sins' against me. It's all about balance and about not being puffed up with self pride. (Which is the oppposite of what you said about me) 
    Whereas your GB, whom call themselves the F&DS, presume they already have a place set up in heaven for themselves.  Wow, such boastfulness comes before a fall. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in VISITING OLD OR SICK ONES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE CONGREGATION OR NOT.   
    Yeah, that is why a family bond needs to be strong. Some family members have differences but at the end of the day the bond needs to be there so there needs to be a compromise. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in VISITING OLD OR SICK ONES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE CONGREGATION OR NOT.   
    He cultivates off the land because how he was raised, in his eyes it is better to not be tied down by things that majority of people are attached to, like debt. Even in my case there's Student Loan debt which isn't fun depending on how high you go up the Educational Food Chain. My Dad is similar in a way but he learned Trades at an early age so he eas able to manage, he prefers to live a simple life. Although he gives examples to me and others in my family of Bible Principles to apply, he was very clear on how debt and other things can push you down hard. Something I work to apply. I can't speak for my other peers tho because there's some who pay an insane amount of money for college, some of them can't pay it back and Interest creeps around d the corner. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    In my comment, after quoting a quote from the WT study journal, I left a link.
    After reading that magazine, we can conclude that you believed in that explanation until 2013. After that GB changed the doctrine.
    Of course, the GB explanation has a lot of weird connotations. According to them, the apostles are a kind of typical model, but the real fulfillment happened only in 1919.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    If the invisible Jesus from heaven chooses a few people of flesh and blood on earth to be FDS, isn't that a "miracle"?
    Did these people hear Jesus speak to them from heaven? Then it's a "miracle."
    Did these people feel an invisible force that enlightened their minds and hearts and led them to some deed? Then it's a "miracle."
     
    If there was none of that, then maybe it’s self-proclamation, right? Then it's not a "miracle". I agree with you on that.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ illustration about the faithful slave? In the past, our publications have said the following: At Pentecost 33 C.E., Jesus appointed the faithful slave over his domestics. The slave represents all anointed Christians on earth as a group at any one time since then. The domestics refer to the same anointed ones as individuals. In 1919, Jesus appointed the faithful slave “over all his belongings”—all his earthly Kingdom interests. However, further careful study and prayerful meditation indicate that our understanding of Jesus’ words about the faithful and discreet slave needs to be clarified. (Prov. 4:18) Let us examine the illustration and how it involves us, whether we have the heavenly or the earthly hope............. 
     The faithful slave must be made up of anointed Christians on earth............
    In 1919, a time of spiritual revival, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers from among them to be the faithful and discreet slave and appointed them over his domestics...........
     In view of the foregoing, what can we conclude? When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he will find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus will then delight in making the second appointment—over all his belongings. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I have never read that all of them were anointed in 1914 and neither did I read (EVER) that it was a miracle - so your words are not just misleading but untruth!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The act of anointing may or may not be a "miracle."
    It depends on who is doing the anointing. Also for what purpose the anointing was done.
    The Bible reports on various types of anointing. Some are made with oil on the head, some are made with fragrant oil on the feet, some are made with “spirit” and with “power”.
    Some anointings were done by women. Jesus also experienced that the woman “anointed” him.
    So what kind of “anointing” was it, when we talk about the people of 1919 in the WTS?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    What I think is that you should focus on your own spirituality and relationship with God.
    I mean, if I were on a boat approaching the falls that I thought would lead to my certain death, as you have said about your present life, I would not be hollering to those on shore that they’re doing things all wrong.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Matthew9969 in KINGDOM HALLS REOPEN IN UK   
    I think you've said it yourself. It's all about the money money money !!!! 
    So I presume you don't have a proper Kingdom Hall then ?  Did they sell it to get themselves more money ?   
    511 GBP.  x 3 = 1533 GBP.   For just one occasion. Oh dear more donations congregants  
    Um, that is a lot of inactive publishers then ..........  BUT the Org says that meeting attendance has gone up since zoom. 
    They pretend there are MORE JWs now than before 2020.  
    This is all so funny. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    FALSE!   Go read again!  I do not argue about these things any more.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Isn’t this true with anything that is challenging? It doesn’t work until it does.  You can avoid the whole problem by doing nothing, but the nature of those “panting on to the end” is they tend to chomp at the bit.
    And, no, you don’t get around it by saying we entered our last days with Christ’s resurrection. 
    I mean, the sun is in it’s last days too. We know it will burn out. But you don’t see warnings over it of how that burnout will come as a thief so we must keep on the watch with vigilance.
    Don’t give me grief over this, you crazy woman. I would remind you that the software dishes out ranks and rewards and my rank is higher than yours—to say nothing of that flea-bitten mutt who makes outrageous comments from time to time.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I GUESS hate-OCD is as deceitful as lying - as I said sin is sin-  even if the perpetrator thinks he has a righteous ax to grind. So I leave it at that. You are not interested in any discussion.... just the spread of hate. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I am sure you are basing it on 1914. a lying date that Wt. has locked themselves into, the core backbone of their organization, and which requires their own projection of a date for Armageddon.  As Splane said in the linked video, "we have be absolutely sure, that everything fits" - everything regarding their 1914 lie.  That hasn’t worked out well for them yet. 
    Two “offspring” were spoken of in Gen 3:15, a righteous offspring/seed and an evil offspring/seed. 
    The Greek word for “generation” can mean “offspring, progeny”. 
     Progeny – “a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.”
    The Greek word for “generation” comes from another word meaning to be born, “of women giving birth to children”.
    Gen 3:15 – I  will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
    Matt 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Jesus’ words can refer back to Gen 3:15.  He said of them, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”  John 8:44
    Under their father, they are offspring of the devil.  All offspring of the devil can be said to be one spiritual generation, yet in a sense it has “overlapped” since the very beginning.  If it could be traced, then say for instance, an ancient evil family always producing evil offspring down to this day.  Literal generations after generations were evil, yet they also can be said to be under one father – one spiritual generation or offspring of Satan.
    If we go back to the word that the Greek for “generation” comes from, (which is gennaō) it is found in this scripture:
    "No one who has been born (gennaō) of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister."
    Two spiritual generations are mentioned there that span the ages – children of God, and children of the devil. 
    The anointed are also one called generation of children under God. Even though He called them to be His priests, they were not ,and are not, all faithful.  They are facing the harvest and have since the first century.  (Ps 110:1,2)
    Matt 24:34 - "Truly I tell you, this generation (of spiritual children) will certainly not pass away until all these things take place…
    …Until all the spiritual signs take place that Jesus had just shared with his disciples. That is the generation of anointed.   Within that spiritual generation spanning two thousand years, two other spiritual “generations” emerge because a division takes place  – those who remain faithful to God as His children (wheat) and those who reject their covenant with Him and become offspring of the devil (weeds).  Matt 13:30; 1 Cor 11:19 
     Not until their judgement has been decreed, including the very last anointed ones, will that generation then “pass away”. Rev 3:2,3; Matt 24:43; 1 Thess 5:2,4; 2 Pet 3:10; Rev 16:15   
    If anyone can discern the difference between literal generations spoken of in the Bible, and the spiritual, then Jesus’ words become clear. 
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I must have missed something, and I do try to read all of your posts in their entirety.
    Can you please explain to me from the Bible, about the “overlapping generations“?
    I would like to understand what the Apostles understood about the “overlapping  generations”.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Keep it small and illegible. It reads better that way.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    So, you dropped your comment about the severity of lying?  It doesn't apply to the organization's leadership?  The foundation of the organization should be examined by every JW - it is your legacy.  
    It is said by the organization that Rutherford and his companions fulfilled the “two witnesses” of Rev. 11:1-3.  In Rev 11:7, it says,
    “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them”
    Because of the printing of “The Finished Mystery”, his book was condemned in 1918 by the US Attorney General, T. Gregory , not by the UN.  On June 27, 1918, Rutherford went to prison.  He was released on March 26th, 1919.  The League of Nations was not established until January of 1920.   It lasted for 26 years, until 1946.  The UN was established on October 24, 1945.
    Because of the timing of Rutherford in prison, it cannot be said that the “two witnesses” of Wt. were killed by the Beast – either by the League OR the UN, since the League was established the next year and the UN/”beast” was not operating for 26 years after Rutherford was released from prison.
    “One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.”   Rev 13:3
    Was there really a head wound to the UN, if both the League and the UN were both active at once, for a short time?
    You cannot disconnect the prophesy of the “two witnesses” from the prophesy about the Beast.  But, as it stands, they are disconnected in Wt’s doctrine. 
    The “heads” of the Beast are rulers over it.  It 'seems' that it was actually Rutherford, head of the organization, who suffered the fatal wound but was later “healed”.  I am sure every JW at the time, was “filled with wonder”, believing that God saved the organization.  
      The WT is the Beast of Revelation 13:1,2, and is directed by the Beast with “two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.” Rev 13:11,12  – false prophets. 
    The "clouds" signify "witnesses".  Heb 12:1 -  
    "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us"
    God's authentic witnesses are his chosen priests.  Isa 43:10-12;44:8; 1 Pet 2:5,9   Witnesses are messengers, messengers are priests (Mal 2:7) as well as "angels".  Just look up the Greek meaning of "angel".  
    “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”  Matt 26:64
    Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”   50 Jesus said, “You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that.” 51 He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”  John 1:49-51
    "Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. 11 When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. 12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it."   Gen 28:10-12
    "Again, when he brings his firstborn into the world, he says, And let all God’s angels worship him."  Heb 1:6
    How do you dispute God's word?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in KINGDOM HALLS REOPEN IN UK   
    There is actually more. I think we're at 8.7-8.8 now. A lot of people also tune into ou meetings via zoom as well. I think before 2020 we we're at 8.4 or something, I remember someone brought up pews research about it.
    All in all, it is actually good to be back, but I don't think we can do door to door anytime soon.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This is a problem for one reason only, which is explained in WTJWorg with wording; Miracles ceased in the first century.
    If the miracles stopped in the first century, then it is to be expected that the anointing from heaven (act of miracle) in the year 1919 did not happen ..... because miracles do not actually happen anymore.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is clear to everyone that generations overlap, and not just two of them, but dozens of generations overlap in a certain period of time, in fact continuously from the beginning of man's existence to the present day.
    But that’s not what GB would like to point out when talking about the “overlapping generation” that completely replaces the ONE and ONLY  "The 1914 generation".
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Yeah, you did. My bad.
    But it that case you ought be smart enough not to comment at all, since whatever you have you think leads to death.
    It’s rather like Srecko, who plainly admits his latter years and outlook is unhappy. I admire him for the admission, for few people will admit such a thing. But at the same time you would think that realization would check him from spreading the drivel he does as though it were gospel.
    At least Witness thinks she will be sitting up high and pretty in heaven. Disquieting though that prospect may be, at least she doesn’t think her present course is leading toward calamity.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in VISITING OLD OR SICK ONES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE CONGREGATION OR NOT.   
    I do this all the time. It is a Famila thing, well a Latino thing. But visiting tends to be more than just checking up on someone's health but to keep them company, even reaching out if need be. Since I am among the youngest of my family, we've been taught that we jot only respect and honor our elders but to visit and talk with them. My father has taught us this and encourage myself and my relatives to do the same because he wants the family and their inner circle to be well connected. He isn't a fan of how some Families in America operate. So regardless if someone is a brother or not, we make the effort to visit physically or over the phone even run errands if anything. In my case family and friends live in the same area very close.
    Also not sure if anyone mentioned this, it is also good to visit even younger ones too because mentally they're fragile.
     
    The only person tough to visit is my other uncle who lives in the middle of nowhere, like Log Cabin life. You can only reach him by phone. This guy jokes that he fights bears lol 😆 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Anna in VISITING OLD OR SICK ONES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE CONGREGATION OR NOT.   
    Some news has just come to me about a JW man (whom I would have once called a brother) that I spent a lot of time with, until he was told not to spend time with me. He was in his mid 80's and on lots of meds' for heart problems etc. He has died in hospital. But if the information is correct, he fell down at his home, was unable to get up, and was not discovered for some time. He was 'old', he was ill, and death happens. But if he had still been in contact with me I may have found him much sooner and he may have lived longer. 
    I'm not angry, I'm not sad, even with all his health problems, he had a good long life and kept himself happy even after his wife had died a few years before..
    What this topic is for is to ask ALL of you. If you know of someone that may be 'fragile' in any way, or may just need comfort, Please visit them. Please help them to feel safe and wanted.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This totally contradicts my posts where I have stated that in my own opinion I WILL NOT be in that New world. 
    Many Anointed ones went through all that but only to be told that that are no longer considered to be of the F&DS. 
    The truth is that the GB tell you they are the F&DS and you believe them, although there is NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER, but because you worship them and not YHWH, you will believe those 8 men. Even though they twisted scripture such as the Romans 'superior authority', scripture, but you still serve them. 
    They were preaching that only JWs would be saved and that a person HAD TO BE A BAPTISED JW TO GET SAVED. 
    Now that may not be political but it has NO true foundation and it was only used to frighten people into the Org.
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