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You are wrong, TTH.
The blue envelopes were ONLY for CSA reporting.
Isabella is correct.
"Normal" disfellowshipping reporting to central control is done on a standard form.
If you have some references to the contrary, please provide them, and I will beg your humble pardon.... when they are checked out.

There were blue envelopes but they were for relating the disfellowshipping of any person for any reason. The idea was that someone disciplined for any sort of wrongdoing could not just slip into a new congregation as though a rebuke had never happened. Presumably, the envelopes were blue for privacy’s sake, so they would be forwarded to the right persons.
Today, It is painted specifically as though it was for CSA. That was not the case. It was for any type of wrongdoing.

The organization allegedly directed elders in all of its United States congregations to send detailed reports on members facing an allegation of sexually abusing a child to its headquarters.
Since the late 1990s blue envelopes from Jehovah’s Witness congregations across the country have been sent to the organization’s headquarters. But, it’s the information inside those envelopes that contain damaging secrets. 
The blue envelopes contained detailed reports of members within the religion accused of child molestation. Officials scanned those documents into a database of files for each congregation, according to a sworn deposition by an official with The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society obtained by Reveal, the website for the Center for Investigative Reporting. 
But the specific details within that database have largely remained a secret—despite court orders and calls from the public to release its contents, leading some to accuse the organization of concealing suspected child abusers. 
The child abuse files were collected after the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society—the organization that oversees the Jehovah’s Witnesses—sent a request in March 1997 to all of its United States congregations requesting that each congregation write a detailed report about anyone within the religion who had been accused of child molestation and send it to the headquarters in the special blue envelope, according to The Atlantic
Full article: https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/jehovahs-witnesses-keep-secret-database-of-potential-sexual-predators

Yes, it reminds me of a scripture about building a house on sand and it gets washed away.
The JW Org was definitely built on very poor foundations. 
Each Creative day being 7,000 years long ? I think that idea got washed away. 
But i know nothing about the pyramid and the eye.  ???? 

@James Thomas Rook Jr.   Um, I remember you writing about marking your cheque 'For Local Needs' or something like that.
So what do you think then ? 
" Five documents were leaked, including a private letter to all elders, a separate letter to be read to congregations, ............ "
So sly but why ? What do they need to hide ? And some say this religion is 'the truth'  
" The language used cleverly suggests that the merger is optional: "
" It may be of interest to the Charity Commission that congregational compliance to central directives is not optional. All resolutions placed before congregation members from the Jehovah’s Witness governing entities are passed without contest. "
" ...the latest directive appears to give the Kingdom Hall Trust the ability to extract funds normally marked for local use only, and allocate them for use by Jehovah’s Witness leadership anywhere in the world." 
The next move is to to take all the money and whatever land documents, and take it all to the USA HQ.  UK JWs will own nothing. Well I've said it before, the GB are a dictatorship. 
 
 
 

agreed that is how it should work, right? So why then is it not this way? 
 
Classic definition of insanity.......just saying. 
 
 
These statements of yours have a taste of disdain, but yet in the same breath almost an acceptance as that's just how it is. 
If that is just how it is, who is going to " ... is vote with their wallets ........ and their feet." ?

A High Court judge has raised concern after hearing that ministers in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses waited more than two and a half years before telling police that a girl had made sex abuse allegations against her father.
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/jehovahs-witness-ministers-delayed-reporting-child-abuse-claims-police-1385803

If we put the goal of his preaching work in front of us, we can see that he really didn’t remain in the “leaky boat”. 
 Jesus called the Pharisees out for who they were – liars and deceivers.  He said these things in front of many Jews.  John 8:42-47  The consequence of this was already written beforehand – death, instrumented by the Pharisees, using the Romans/Gentiles to carry it out. Isa 42:1-4
The only laws Jesus followed were those outlined by God. 
Pharisaic Laws, from https://bible.org/illustration/pharisaic-laws
In contrast to the two commands of Christ, the Pharisees had developed a system of 613 laws, 365 negative commands and 248 positive laws... By the time Christ came it had produced a heartless, cold, and arrogant brand of righteousness. As such, it contained at least ten tragic flaws.
(1) New laws continually need to be invented for new situations. (“new light”)
(2) Accountability to God is replaced by accountability to men.
“The growing number of prospective sheep count it a privilege to support Christ’s brothers not only in the preaching work but also in other practical ways. For example, they give financial contributions and help to build Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls, and branch facilities, and they loyally obey those appointed by “the faithful and discreet slave” to take the lead.”  Wt 15/3/15 p. 29
(3) It reduces a person’s ability to personally discern.
“Be determined to stick to Jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface. (1 Thess. 5:12, 13) Do not be “quickly shaken from your reason” when faced with what appear to be damaging attacks by apostates or other such deceivers of the mind—however plausible their charges may seem. (2 Thess. 2:2; Titus 1:10)
 (4) It creates a judgmental spirit.
Judgment made against any who think for themselves.  Judgment against all who are on the outside of the WT.   
(5) The Pharisees confused personal preferences with divine law.
WT’s governing body member, Anthony Morris, stated that the “theocratic organization” receives its decisions or “decrees” from God.  He comments, “When that direction comes out to Branch committee members, or when it comes out to the congregations; if you want Jehovah’s blessing on you as an individual or family, certainly as an elder or congregation, it’d be best to ask Jehovah to help you understand it, but obey the decision.” 
(6) It produces inconsistencies.
“To be a part of such a loving brotherhood fills my heart with appreciation and makes me proud to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”  g 8/08 p. 19
“How should anointed Christians feel about themselves?  Jehovah’s holy spirit helps his servants to be humble, not proud.” w20/1 p. 26-31 
(7) It created a false standard of righteousness.
“All in the congregation can show principled love by avoiding contact and conversation with the disfellowshipped person. (1 Cor. 5:11; 2 John 10, 11) They thus reinforce the discipline that Jehovah has given him through the elders.  W 15 4/15 p. 30,31
“Today, Jehovah has brought us into his clean organization, where we feel his love and protection.”  W 17/10 p. 15-20
(8) It became a burden to the Jews.
“Do we faithfully follow the latest directions that Jehovah has given us? If so, we will not rely on always doing things the way we have done them in the past. Rather, we will be quick to follow any new direction that Jehovah provides through his organization. (Heb. 13:17) At the same time, we will be careful that we “do not go beyond the things that are written.” (1 Cor. 4:6) In so doing, we keep our eyes fixed on Jehovah.”  W 18/7 p. 15,16
This is such a hypocritical statement.  If a direction is “new”, then it has gone beyond the things that are written in the scriptures.
(9) It was strictly external.
That is made obvious in so many ways – clean kingdom halls, clean building methods, clean dress habits,  hiding the organization’s sins under the carpet so as not to bring reproach on “Jehovah’s name”, meaning the Watchtower organization.   Luke 11:39
(10) It was rejected by Christ.
Any “in Christ”/anointed priests of his who imitate Jesus in front of today’s leaders by speaking against their doctrine, are also “killed” through disfellowshipping. Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7  Any JW who dare give “testimony” to the truth of Jesus Christ, are also “killed” – thrown out of the congregation. John 16:2 This was prophesied for the last days, and it shows how exactly the “Jewish” system today, is run by the leaders of the WT.
 
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/02/there-are-those-who-wonder-if-my_7388.html

I don’t think he knows anything.

This hardly applies to Child Sexual Abuse which is a crime and a sin, not some conflict. Didn't you know that?

It was announced that the Devil was going out of business and that he would offer all his tools for sale to whom ever would pay the price. 

On the night of the sale, they were all attractively displayed and marked with a price, even so, they were a bad looking lot: 

Malice, Hatred, Envy, Deceit, Jealousy and Sensuality and all the other implements of evil were spread out. 

Apart from the rest, lay a harmless looking wedge shaped tool. Much worn and priced higher than any of the others. Someone asked the Devil, "What is that?" 

That is "DISCOURAGEMENT", THE DEVIL REPLIED! 

"But why do you have it priced so high?", the prospective purchaser inquired. 

BECAUSE SAID THE DEVIL; " It is more useful to me than any of the others. I can pry open and get inside a man's soul with it. I can do this when I can not get near him with any of the other tools I possess.. Once I get inside his mind with discouragement, I can use him in whatever way suits me best. The reason this tool is so worn, is that I can use it with nearly everyone. So, very few know that it belongs to me! 

It hardly needs to be added, that the Devil's price was so high for discouragement that it was never sold. He still owns it and uses it today!  
 
- contributed  by email - Many thanks Jenni

Thanks for piece. I agree, they do call out 'manipulation '  on the flimsiest of excuses...... because they do not want to use the word 'accountability' when it comes to every persons  own choices. They then,  act like victims which seems to be the mainstream's / secular mental attitude these days..... 
Yes, we are moldable clay - only by Jehovah....and you must be a willing participant....... to work only on yourself...
Children,  and especially teenagers, rebel extremely quickly  if they are boxed in..... They do not like restictions and they are taught an independent and secular way of thinking in the school.... The true manipulators is the education system with its LGBTQ etc. .... So the argument that the children are 'victims' of JWs is just another ploy or a 'manipulation' of the truth....... 

Um, Children of JW parents. @TrueTomHarley are manipulated. 
Didn't a member of the GB say something like 'Don't let them have their driving licence until they get baptised'.
I do know, having known the JW Org for over 50 years, that children of JW Parents are bribed / manipulated.
A child raised as a JW has to go to the meetings, has to mix with mainly JWs and other JW children. And had to go on the ministry at weekends. They do not get an option. They have to go where their parents take them. 
Then there is the competition that you don't believe in, about getting them baptised. At 6 or 7 years old ? Well maybe the child gets to be 10 before the real pressure in put on, or the bribery.
Then of course if a child hasn't been allowed to mix with 'people of the world', because 'the world is so wicked', then that is a form of manipulation. Why ? Because it has formed a wrong opinion in the child's mind. The child will actually believe it's parents. The child will be frightened to mix with 'people of the world' and won't trust anyone outside the Org.  Totally unfair. And then you have the 'You don't need higher education'. Now that again is manipulation. If you stop your child getting higher education, you have changed the direction of that child's life. That is manipulation. 
In my opinion, manipulation isn't just pushing a person in a direction, it can also be, putting up a barrier to make a person change direction, especially if that new direction is the deliberate intention of the person in control.
And of course once a child is baptised the manipulation gets worse as the Elders now have control. The threat of shunning and disfellowshipping, and thereby being thrown out of home, is the new fear a child has. I've seen it all take place. I've seen a young man made to live in the family garage as he had nowhere else to live, but they would not let him live in the house. 
Manipulation is alive and well in the JW Org. It's not in people's mind. There is proof of it happening. 
 
 
 
 
 

Following on from above comment. A quote from the link :-
"It is incontrovertible from these documents that the elders of the congregation knew about (the girl's) allegations since at least December 2016 - when (she) was aged nine.They did not report those allegations to the police until July 2019.
To ALL those JWs that say it is all old cases that happened years ago. 
This is NOW. And shows it is still happening. Get your heads out of the sand and stop denying it. 
Elders deliberately protect paedophiles.
For whatever reasons, JW Org is still protecting / hiding Paedophiles. 
 

A High Court judge has issued a warning after a group of Jehovah’s Witnesses were more concerned with the “spiritual counselling” of a sexually abusive father, than protecting his young daughter. 
Ministers in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses waited more than two and a half years before telling police that the girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, had made sex abuse allegations against her father.
Mrs Justice Lieven said there had been a "failure to take effective steps to protect a young child" which gave rise to "deep concern".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/04/high-court-judge-jehovahs-witnesses-prioritised-spiritual-counselling/

Manipulation is the byword of the Watchtower.  Tom, we are to be "moldable pieces"....not of dough, but of clay.  
Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.  Isa 64:8
Every faithful JW is the product, the "work", of the organization.  The manipulation began with the promise of eternal life, if and only if, one enters and becomes its product.  
"You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."  1 Cor 6:19b,20
Samuel Herd used the partial scripture in 1 Cor 6:19, which in its entirety, refers to the anointed Temple.  Although he used it to support the construction work, the Bethel work, the organizational work as a whole.  When JWs are baptized, they are dedicated to the organization. They are no longer their own, but must live up to that vow (which the magazines have reminded them of) 
What Herd meant was...  "You are not your own; you were bought at a price (your life/soul). Therefore honor the organization with your bodies."
 

At least 20 former Jehovah's Witnesses are suing the group over historical sexual abuse they say they suffered.
The group has a policy of not punishing alleged child sex abuse unless a second person, alongside the accuser, has witnessed it - or an abuser confesses.
It says its elders "comply with child-abuse reporting laws even if there is only one witness", though, and always tell police if a child is in danger.
But one former elder said it had been failing to involve the authorities.
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51006771

Um, Children of JW parents. @TrueTomHarley are manipulated. 
Didn't a member of the GB say something like 'Don't let them have their driving licence until they get baptised'.
I do know, having known the JW Org for over 50 years, that children of JW Parents are bribed / manipulated.
A child raised as a JW has to go to the meetings, has to mix with mainly JWs and other JW children. And had to go on the ministry at weekends. They do not get an option. They have to go where their parents take them. 
Then there is the competition that you don't believe in, about getting them baptised. At 6 or 7 years old ? Well maybe the child gets to be 10 before the real pressure in put on, or the bribery.
Then of course if a child hasn't been allowed to mix with 'people of the world', because 'the world is so wicked', then that is a form of manipulation. Why ? Because it has formed a wrong opinion in the child's mind. The child will actually believe it's parents. The child will be frightened to mix with 'people of the world' and won't trust anyone outside the Org.  Totally unfair. And then you have the 'You don't need higher education'. Now that again is manipulation. If you stop your child getting higher education, you have changed the direction of that child's life. That is manipulation. 
In my opinion, manipulation isn't just pushing a person in a direction, it can also be, putting up a barrier to make a person change direction, especially if that new direction is the deliberate intention of the person in control.
And of course once a child is baptised the manipulation gets worse as the Elders now have control. The threat of shunning and disfellowshipping, and thereby being thrown out of home, is the new fear a child has. I've seen it all take place. I've seen a young man made to live in the family garage as he had nowhere else to live, but they would not let him live in the house. 
Manipulation is alive and well in the JW Org. It's not in people's mind. There is proof of it happening. 
 
 
 
 
 

Coming from a man who pretends to be someone else, even though all names come with the same personality.  Where is the logic in that?  
 

He did said that on the broadcasting.
Maybe is just out of sync on the video, sometimes happens when u upload videos. 

Watch from minute 53.00 - 56.00 - "...so we will never change our Scriptural position on that subject....." 
His lips said that :))))
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/StudioMonthlyPrograms/pub-jwb_201711_1_VIDEO
JW Broadcasting—November 2017

JW Survey has obtained documents affirming that the Jehovah’s Witness headquarters in the United Kingdom has orchestrated a systematic takeover bid of all Kingdom Hall properties located in England, Scotland and Wales.
In a letter dated November 8th, 2019, the London-based Kingdom Hall Trust announced that all UK congregations will dissolve their status as individual charities and become branches of the KHT.

The Kingdom Hall Trust (KHT) is a Jehovah’s Witness legal corporation established in 1939 as the London Company of Kingdom Witnesses. On June 30, 1978, it was officially registered as a charity in the UK.
In 1994, the name was changed to the Kingdom Hall Trust.

While the KHT was already engaged in the acquisition of property used by Jehovah’s Witness church members, the latest directive “proposes” that all UK Branch Congregations relinquish their individual charity status and operate under the blanket control of the Kingdom Hall Trust charity.
Five documents were leaked, including a private letter to all elders, a separate letter to be read to congregations, and an FAQ document explaining the dissolution of congregation charities. Also included are the pre-formatted meeting minutes and congregation resolutions to be filled out, resolved, and returned to the KHT.
According to the letter presented to individual congregations, the UK Charity Commission approved the merging of all UK congregations into the Kingdom Hall Trust, with the premise that all congregations in the United Kingdom agree to these changes.
The language used cleverly suggests that the merger is optional:
“Your charity is now being invited to take part in this process and merge with The Kingdom Hall Trust. Next week a resolution will be put to all baptized members of your congregation so that you can decide whether or not to go along with this proposal.” [bold ours]
It may be of interest to the Charity Commission that congregational compliance to central directives is not optional. All resolutions placed before congregation members from the Jehovah’s Witness governing entities are passed without contest.
Financial Implications
While the Kingdom Hall Trust directors state that these changes are for purposes of simplification, the leaked documents suggest that permanent control of property and finances may be the true motivation.
The November 2019 letter to congregation members says:
“However, because elders would no longer serve as trustees, your local donations would be administered by KHT as part of its general funds. This could mean that the Trustees decide to use your donations to support the Kingdom work elsewhere in our branch territory and throughout the world to meet the needs of our brothers and sisters. This is in harmony with the equalizing explained at 2 Corinthians 8:14 “… that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing”.” [bold ours]
While Witnesses have always been able to donate funds to the “Worldwide” work, the latest directive appears to give the Kingdom Hall Trust the ability to extract funds normally marked for local use only, and allocate them for use by Jehovah’s Witness leadership anywhere in the world.
Read more: https://jwsurvey.org/news/jehovahs-witness-uk-headquarters-dissolves-kingdom-hall-charities-seizes-full-control-of-property-and-finances

I am not interested in survival at any cost ... it did not bother me one wit the 4-1/2 billion years before I was born ... and after I am dead, I strongly suspect I will not be upset about that for longer than about four minutes.
I have found that those who serve God as a mechanism to try and live forever have TOTALLY missed the point of why we should serve God.
A coward dies a thousand deaths, the valiant only once.

Even Jesus stayed on the "old leaky boat", until it was time for the launch of the "new boat".

This is what I know and you know.  It was only those who left the Jewish system and its problems behind in the first century, who had any chance of survival.
Matt 24:15,16; Luke 17:22-37; Rev 18:4-8