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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Our need for air, water, food, for example, are "temporary" every single day, And that "temporary" things repeat itself from day to day until we die. And we can't live without this "temporaries".
    Thank you for your concerns about my everlasting blessings. But i have to take care about my "temporaries", day after day. :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Inside The Lost Jehovah's Witnesses Tunnels Under Brooklyn Heights   
    https://gothamist.com/news/inside-the-lost-jehovahs-witnesses-tunnels-under-brooklyn-heights
    I thought this article was quite interesting and slightly funny too :-
    "It was a little creepy" in the tunnels, Gregory Hall, 
    "I've heard of some real strange things that happened down there" in the tunnels, Hall said, without going into detail. He did recall seeing "chain-link cages that they had their offices in. It felt weird. It was not real comfortable."
    Since the tunnels were largely secluded, some elders reportedly saw them as an opportunity to corner members away from the rest of the community. Once, Hall said, an older JW man took him into the tunnels, then started talking to him about masturbation. (In a recently released video entitled "Pillowgate," two JW leaders are shown inveighing against masturbation; Hall said the Witnesses are infuriated about the video and are searching for a mole they believe leaked it.)
    [I thought] 'I don't even know you, I feel creepy down here, and you're bringing that up to me?'" Hall recalled. "When those doors closed down in those areas, I didn't feel comfortable. Some of those guys, they lose touch with reality."
    Read the whole article if you have time  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Implication False!  The apostles are in heaven already - received immortality. The GB are mortal men who act as a slave - do their masters bidding to preach the word and give food at proper time in the last days. This is their commission. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    UM Does anyone see the difference between, being conned into doing restoration showy work on an old building, because you've been told it is for the 'glory of God' 
    As opposed to, doing voluntary work, such as EMERGENCY WORK FOR A FIRE DEPT' OR HOSPITAL which actually serves a good purpose.  
    It seems that Mr Harley doesn't know the difference. 
    Mr Harley, the difference is, the one's that do the Emergency work actually volunteer to HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
    The congregants, that should have been preaching the Good News of God's Kingdom', because it is so urgent as the 'End' is so close (in JWs opinion), were actually misled into believing that the restoration work on that theatre was for God. In God's eyes and Christ's I would have thought the preaching work was much more important. 
    One thought, Jesus knew that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, 
    0  “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,v then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.w 21  Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,x let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, .... "
    I don't see any instruction to go and build a big fancy assembly hall some place.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Same here.  And that will also get criticism because some set themselves up as jury and judge in high supreme court.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    For a book, to advertise discretely on reddit, I suppose.  That's okay.  I quickly scanned it over, with mixed reviews. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    There you go, then. The position of every Witness is that what they do does help people—in fact it offers them the most lasting help, in contrast to efforts whose effects are temporary. Your position is that it does not.
    You could desist, you know. It is inherently more noble to defend something than to attack it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I had to revisit this, since I don't think you realize your own contradictions.
    1)  The GB is compared to the apostles
    (2 The GB are leaders of the organization
    3) Paul, an apostle had to "humble" himself to the leadership of the "Way" or "organization.
    4) This implies that the GB are higher in "rank" than the apostles!
    BLASPHEMY!  Can you see this?
    4)  The apostles are the foundation of the Temple of God in Jesus Christ.
    5) The GB are the "foundation" of the organization called the WB&TS
    Are there two foundations/"organizations" that God approves of?  One is spiritual and written in the Bible, The other is earthly, and is not.
    Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.  Eph 2:20-22
     
    Only one "mountain"/"organization" will be chosen by God.  The one that is built on Christ as its "chief cornerstone".    Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    UM Does anyone see the difference between, being conned into doing restoration showy work on an old building, because you've been told it is for the 'glory of God' 
    As opposed to, doing voluntary work, such as EMERGENCY WORK FOR A FIRE DEPT' OR HOSPITAL which actually serves a good purpose.  
    It seems that Mr Harley doesn't know the difference. 
    Mr Harley, the difference is, the one's that do the Emergency work actually volunteer to HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
    The congregants, that should have been preaching the Good News of God's Kingdom', because it is so urgent as the 'End' is so close (in JWs opinion), were actually misled into believing that the restoration work on that theatre was for God. In God's eyes and Christ's I would have thought the preaching work was much more important. 
    One thought, Jesus knew that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, 
    0  “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,v then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.w 21  Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,x let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, .... "
    I don't see any instruction to go and build a big fancy assembly hall some place.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I have to agree with this. In positive and negative using of Criticism.
    One of "trigger" for put critics about these or other WT works in past and now, lies in fact that WTJWorg "exalt" themself above all on Earth. They are: "only true religion, only God's organization, only people that have highest moral standards, only who be saved, .....and similar "the best"".
    In light of such position and picture that WTJWorg forming for and from many decades, it is not strange when observers find some discrepancy and make the point of that.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    New International Version Acts 17 v 23
    For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship--and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.
    Call me John if it makes you happy. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Tom, what is with you? How you can compare JW volunteer restoration work in private building, in building that is in possession of Company .... with volunteer work in helping people when houses burning or helping sick people in hospital??
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Phil 3:19 -  They are ruled by their bellies, their glory comes by shame, and their minds are fixed on the things of this world. They are doomed. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Please Tom. I made normal comment. And ask anyone what would cost be for restoration. Volunteering is no illegal. Spending donation money for Religious Vanity is morally and ethically bad example. Perhaps we all like to see beautiful buildings. But, is it buy, restore and sell something, what have to be interest and occupation for Religious, Charity Organization of JW? 
    2000+ members and unknown amount of $ versus 2000+  and same amount of money for preaching or helping people in need. What of this two IS CHARITY WORK???
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    According to God's Word, they have adulterated the teachings of Christ and the apostles.  To apply "sacred" to a  building is idolatry, let alone to a corporation by calling it "spirit-directed".   No doubt JWs would admit that Catholics are idolaters:
    "Whether you've been in a church many times or are new to its sights, sounds, smells and bells, knowing the rich meaning and history behind our sacred spaces and symbols can help us appreciate and deepen our faith. Churches reflect the communities who built them and the times and circumstances in which they are used. No two churches are alike, but each sacred space is used to celebrate the same Mass with our fellow Catholics.   https://www.catholicextension.org/camp-catholic/sacred-spaces-symbols
    Somehow the point is missed when it comes to the organization.   Since Christ, can you tell me of any incident in the scriptures that describes a building OR earthly organization as "sacred" and approved by God?  Acts 7:24,25,29-31
     God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
    Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
    Does the GB need to repent for creating idols?  Do the Catholics?
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Lol. He said Jesus had no place of his own so JWs are not doing it right by buying or renting places. .... that was his implication.... 
    He must not judge if he is living in a rented space. Lol 
    Some will always find something to critisize......sigh....
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    He told illustrations about selling all you have to buy beautiful "pearl" and not Theater. :))) 
    “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it” Matthew 13
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Come on now John, I am beginning to think you are losing your understanding of the definition of worship....
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    New International Version Acts 17 v 23
    For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship--and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.
    Call me John if it makes you happy. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    @Anna said that the buildings / Kingdom Halls were sacred and holy. 
    But in truth they are just real estate for the GB to make profit from. What adds to that insult is that Congregants spent many hours building those Kingdom Halls and maintaining them, and those congregants received no wages. So it shows that the GB use congregants as slave labour to build and maintain, so that the GB can reap a profit. More K/H are being closed and more Congregants are having to travel miles to meetings, so money is going somewhere.  
    But I think you should remember that Jesus didn't even have a place to call his home.  
    Matthew 8 v 20 NWT version. .
    But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head
    But your GB live in luxury, buying and selling real estate. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I don't apply the term, "sacred" to anything I own, including my house.  Do you?  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I think you should sell give your home away, and go and live in a cardboard box under a bridge. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    They live in dorms. Nice dorms, to be sure, with common access to other areas, but still they are dorms.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Isn’t anything sold for that reason?
    Yes. Make it illegal to volunteer for anything. Those volunteer ambulance departments? Make them illegal. Tell no one to budge unless someone puts a check in their hand.
    Oh, very well, you idiot. Go buy your house for full price—even over price. Write letters to the editor to voice your outrage at those who buy fixer-uppers.
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