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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A DPA question   
    @JW Insider  I am seriously concerned about your above comment. It all seems to be based around a few MEN making decisions for the lives of 8.5 million other people.  BUT those few MEN are NOT INSPIRED BY GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.  It is only THEIR personal viewpoint. And it can take the lives of millions of people. 
    What then did Jesus mean at Matthew 12 v 9 through 12. ? 
    After departing from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10  and look! there was a man with a withered* hand!k So they asked him, “Is it lawful to cure on the Sabbath?” so that they might accuse him.l 11  He said to them: “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out?m 12  How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath.” 
    Doing any work on that Sabbath could be punished by death. It was that serious in God's eyes. 
    Yet here was Jesus telling them that it was 'lawful' to do a fine thing on the Sabbath. 
    @Anna tells me that we should all read our Bible and have our own conscience. 
    @Arauna tells me that all i do is misquote scripture.
    BUT, I listen to neither men (GB / Elders) nor women. My conscience tells me that Jesus was saying that there is a time, when what appears to others to be God's way, is in fact not God's way at all. 
    How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath.” 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in A DPA question   
    I wanted to stay out of this because of the way the answer might sound worse than I hope it sounds. I think the real answer should acknowledge both of your ideas.
    Because I think the policy changed on account of a belief by some that the original policy showed "hardheartedness" in the face of "doubts" at the level of a primary policymaker. Not so much F.Rusk/Dr.Dixon, but mostly from the research by G.Smalley (Writing Dept) which had "earned" him a larger say in the policy. Too many people were dying, and because of doubts about the overall policy, these deaths seemed unnecessary. The more that the "hardhearted," older generation, wanted to speak of "martyrs," the more that the soft-hearted younger generation wanted to see the entire blood policy thrown out. I believe that allowing fractions was a compromise between the "old guard" and the new. Even some Witness doctors were called in to HQ to discuss it. And without committing to any changes in policy with them, the direction was clear that some compromises on blood fractions could be potentially justified when one looked at the details of blood fractions and how they were being used to save lives.
    I haven't talked to Brother Smalley about this, but was told by a Bethel elder who has known him well, that he was willing to change the entire blood policy (for scriptural reasons, not financial) but that this would be seen as a Catholic "Fish on Friday" "No Fish on Friday" -- the flip flop on fish. It would devastate the Witness families who had lost a child, parent, relative or close friend to the blood policy in the past, and for this reason he was happy to go along with the fractions compromise which could at least reduce the number of deaths greatly. I've heard JTR assume this was a move by lawyers to reduce financial exposure. But I know that even Brother Rusk was aware of both financial exposure and that there were several questions about the scripturalness of the policy as he had dealt with those arguments before. (But as soft and gentle and loving as this brother was to my wife and me, and all persons we knew, he was very much a "hard-liner" on the original blood policy and never gave an inch to those arguments. I don't know that he was ever really OK with the fractions compromise. I think I've mentioned before that he was best friends with my wife, and gave the key portion of our wedding talk.)
    BTW, my iPhone identifies a goodly portion (badly portion) of my calls as "Fraud Risk" and I always glance at it with the thought that I just got a call from "Fred Rusk" although he died a few years ago.
    Yes, there are probably "14 ways from Sunday" to look at the matter "legitimately", not just two. (The term "legitimate" seems out of place when we are comparing law with conscience.) Some of these ways are fully scriptural; some are based on science; some are a mix. I was in full agreement with JTR strictness in my own personal policy (based on conscience) until a couple of years ago, while participating on this forum. I would neither take blood nor fractions, and I would have been willing to die before knowingly accepting a transfusion of any kind. The only difference I had (conscientiously) with the Society's position, however, is that for the last 10 years at least, I would never impose my conscience about either whole blood or blood fractions on any of my own children before they were baptized or 18, whichever came first. I would try to work with doctors as best I could, but if I were convinced that their survival depended on a blood transfusion, I would not impose my conscience, and would accept any consequences. And of course I would give no recommendations for unbaptized youngsters or babies in the congregation either. I felt the issue was too serious to even accidentally impose my own conscience on another. Fortunately, it has never come up.
    But when I learned of Brother Smalley's policy-making issues, even though I didn't confirm them with him personally, the brother who told me about it gave me another contact who might confirm. This was another one of Smalley's friends who was close enough to him even recently to know if he had said anything of the sort to him. This contact was reluctant, because I had never contacted him before, but after I told him of my concern based on the information from the Bethel elder whom he knew, he understood how important an issue I thought it was. This new contact gave me some additional information I have already included above. To be fair, I should also mention that I very recently talked to another friend who had worked with Smalley in the Writing Department back in the 70s and 80s, and he sounded incredulous about all of this.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in 1914   
    Nobody is. I need you to get the ball rolling. Have you gone back to celebrating Christmas yet? The books make great stocking stuffers.
    Come now, don’t be mean to me. I am trying to help.
    You have said that Armageddon might be 10 years or more in the future, and that the ‘true anointed’ (since the present one is no good) might manifest itself in 10 years or less. Thus it is conceivable that they might both happen at the ten year mark on the dot, and the situation of those saved will be like the baseball player sliding into home—the true anointed umpire waving him safe as the devil catcher misses with his tag.
    So that this ridiculous situation does not happen, you must do all you can so that the ”true anointed,” when it appears, hits the ground running and doesn’t wait to the last moment to get moving. Some members of this “true anointed,” I gather, are still muzzled within JWorg—they can’t all be outside and have their own Facebook pages. If they were, they could start a Facebook group and go from there, lacking only the Great Eight, who they don’t like anyway.. So some must be current Witnesses who are treated terribly, held incommunicado, not allowed to communicate with one another. 
    You can’t help them because the present arrangement is not pure enough for you and you cannot look upon what is bad. However, JTR is not so finicky and has no problem doing that. You can assign him to the role of “true helper” to those future members of the “true anointed.” He can thereby redeem himself in your eyes for seeing, as you do, how wicked everything is in the org but choosing to remain there still—give him the assignment. He can visit these mistreated anointed ones in their cells and even pass notes from one to another in case they want to communicate in strict violation of the rules. That way they will be in better shape when the true liberation comes.
    Please, 4Jah, I am only trying to help. I think this suggestion might work.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in 1914   
    You have to remember, no one demanded that they become an NGO.  It has nothing to do with "subjection to superior authorities."  It has everything to do with integrity, which the GB/organization have none of.  
    What were the other services that required them to become an NGO?  Do you know?  Do you know why they are NGO members in other countries?  I don't.  What need would an organization that believes it is directed by God, have in taking part in the nations of the world?  How do you correlate THIS to Moses' day?  Just think  about it.  
    From the book, "What the Watchtower Society Doesn't Want You to Know"
    The question was, “Has the criteria for getting a library pass to the United Nations changed?”
    Reply:
    “The procedure for a library pass is the following:  the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation in support of the research.  If the needed material is not available in the UN depository library (the list of depository libraries is posted at:  http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/deplib/countries/), the application is approved and sent to UN Security.  UN Security checks the application and, if approved is granted, instructs the Pass office to issue a library pass for the applicant. 
    The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status.  There has been no change in the library policy.”  
    Best Regards
    [Name]
    Senior Reference Librarian
    UN/SA Reference Desk
    United Nations Library, New York
    They didn't become an NGO simply to acquire a library card.
     
     
    The anointed do have a special “use”, to be a working priesthood, but contrary to scripture they are told to wait. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22  The elder body has been given special treatment, even special honor, as a priesthood to replace them.  This is truly an abomination.  2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1-3
    We honor Christian elders when we show respect for their position and follow their direction. We also honor them by commending them for their hard work.  WT 17/3/8
    It is incredible, that respect is to be given to a position created by men, but not to a position created by God.  
    Although it is a wonderful privilege to have the heavenly calling, anointed Christians do not expect any special honor from others. (Eph. 1:18, 19; read Philippians 2:2, 3.) Jehovah’s spirit bore witness to them personally. No announcement was made to the world. So they are not surprised if some people do not readily believe that they have truly been anointed by holy spirit. In fact, they realize that the Scriptures advise against quickly believing someone who claims to have a special appointment from God. (Rev. 2:2) WT 16/1 p. 22
     Honor is given to the elders but not to God’s “special possession”. 
    “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and will consider himself above any god, and he will speak horrendous things against the God of gods, yet he will succeed until the period of anger is finished, for what is determined will be done."  Dan 11:36
    Do elders have a special appointment from God?  Your leaders tell you they do.  They hand pick them.  If the organization belonged to God, He would clearly make known who His priesthood is.  Only they would be leading the flock.  As it is, the anointed are there, invisible, and JWs should question why this is so.   Rev 13:1,2,5-10
    Most likely no one told the anointed priests up until the introduction of the organization, that they must WAIT…to offer sacrifices of praise as holy priests and to “teach” the sheep as priests were obligated to do.  The faithful ones followed the direction of their Head, Jesus Christ.   The apostles acted like priests and taught the incoming anointed how to also.   Man’s “organization” changes the whole dynamics of scripture; bending God’s decrees to suit what men have built.   2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kosonen in More emphasis on good news about Jesus Christ   
    Very simply put, for Jehovah's witnesses 'good news' is about the everlasting life on earth in a coming paradise. That is the first thing Jehovah's witnesses tell people while preaching. And then secondly that Jesus will rule the earth under 1000 years. That is also what Jehovah's witnesses usually think of very much and they wait eagerly for Armageddon and wish that this would come as soon as possible. I know that, I used to think like that, just waiting for those blessings to come. 
    But I had for a long time not fully understood nor appreciated what the 'good news', the gospel is about. Based on one scripture Matthew 24:14 it seemed to be only about God's kingdom, a new government for the earth from God. That is the impression you easily get if you only read Matthew 24:14. 
    But to really understand what is God's kingdom we have to almost equate that with Jesus. That is evident from for example the following scriptures:
    Jesus said referring to himself in Luke 17:21 For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
    Mark 9:1 Furthermore, he said to them: “Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God already having come in power.”+ 2  Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them;
    And apostle Paul declared the Good news about God's kingdom like this on one occasion
    Acts 17:30,31.”True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.  Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
    And the following scriptures give more evidence about the fact that the 'good news' that would be preached to the most distant part of the earth would be very much about Jesus personally, that he died as a sacrifice for people's sins and that people could now be forgiven their sins and get the gift of eternal life from God and that Jesus was resurrected and would come back to judge the wicked and be king over the whole earth. 
    So here is a compilation of scriptures that tell how much the preaching message was about Jesus.
    Acts 1:8 "But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part* of the earth.”
    Mark 1:1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God:
    2 Cor 1;19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you through us
    2 Thess 1:8 the good news about our Lord Jesus.
    1 Thess 3:2 and we sent Timothy, our brother and God’s minister* in the good news about the Christ
    Eph 3:8  so that I should declare to the nations the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ
    Col 4:3 3  At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open a door for the word so that we can declare the sacred secret about the Christ, for which I am in prison bonds,
    1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ executed on the stake, to the Jews a cause for stumbling but to the nations foolishness.
    1 Tim 2:5  For there is one God,  and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6  who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all*—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time. 7  For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
    Phil 1:15,16  True, some are preaching the Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16  The latter are proclaiming the Christ out of love, for they know that I have been appointed to defend the good news;
    2 Cor 4:4,5  the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,...For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord 
    2 Cor 5:18,19 But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19  namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.
    2 Cor 10:14 Really, we are not overextending ourselves as if we did not reach you, for we were the first to reach as far as you with the good news about the Christ.
    1 Cor 9:12 but we are enduring all things so that we might not in any way hinder the good news about the Christ
    Rom 1:1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news, 2  which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son…9 For God, to whom I render sacred service with my spirit in connection with the good news about his Son,
    Rom 15:19 I have thoroughly preached the good news about the Christ.
    Rom 16:25  Now to Him who can make you firm according to the good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the sacred secret that has been kept in silence for long-lasting times 26  but has now been made manifest* and has been made known through the prophetic Scriptures among all the nations according to the command of the everlasting God to promote obedience by faith; 
    Acts 5:42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
    Acts 11:20 and began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus.
    Revelation 19:10 ….. I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus. Worship God! For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.”
    Revelation 12:17 ...who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.
    Revelation 20:4 Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God,


     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in 1914   
    What sounds to me like haughty bluster is often so far off, that it's hard to know whether to bother responding at all. But this one seems important to correct since you are merely adding to the confusion some people might already have.
    Two things wrong here:
    No, the distinction made in Psalms is NOT the same distinction made in Matthew.  (Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:44) No, it is NOT unfortunate that some lexicons use the same meaning for both "Kurios" here because they are in fact the same word in different cases. This is really the same as "2" above. There does not need to be a separation between κυρίῳ noun dative masculine singular from κύριος, because they are in fact the same word just with different "case" endings because of how they are used in the sentence. Here's why. It's explained pretty well in many commentaries. Also here: https://christswords.com/content/matthew-2244 -lord-said-unto-my-lord
    Note the meaning of κύριος:
    Κύριος (noun sg masc nom) "Lord" is kyrios (kurios), which means "having power", "being in authority" and "being in possession of." It also means "lord", "master of the house," and "head of the family." -- The word translated as "master" is the same word that is often translated as "Lord" or "the Lord" in the NT. It also means "lord", "master of the house," and "head of the family." It is the specific terms for the master of slaves or servants, but it was a common term of respect both for those in authority and who were honored. It was the term people used to address Christ, even though he had no formal authority. Today, we would say "boss" or "chief".
    Note the meaning given for κυρίῳ
    κυρίῳ (noun sg masc dat) "Lord" is kyrios (kurios), which means "having power", "being in authority" and "being in possession of." It also means "lord", "master of the house," and "head of the family." -- The word translated as "master" is the same word that is often translated as "Lord" or "the Lord" in the NT. It also means "lord", "master of the house," and "head of the family." It is the specific terms for the master of slaves or servants, but it was a common term of respect both for those in authority and who were honored. It was the term people used to address Christ, even though he had no formal authority. Today, we would say "boss" or "chief".
    Either form can refer to God. Either form can refer to Christ. Either form can refer to a human master.
    I mention this one because it is so typical of you to bluster some irrelevant (and sometimes irreverent) information that you apparently think you understood from book searches or Google searches. That part can be fine, but you seem to have a need to often insult the people you are trying to bluster with incorrect or poorly understood information.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in “He Used to be the Meanest SOB Around and He Turned Out Better than Any of Us”   
    There are people that can wrestle an adult alligator in the water, but do not know the difference between an alligator and a crocodile.
    These people are known as "Lunch"
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in A DPA question   
    Unfortunately most Christian denominations still take whole blood - so reading the bible did not help them to apply the scriptures in their lives to "abstain" from blood.
    The GB council does help many to see this important principle to respect life.
    I have seen nothing logical coming from you. Only personal deprecating comments and misapplied scriptures.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Do you recommending "silence"? Silently disagree with some official teachings and stay (or go out) without warning others about dangerous of such teachings? That is against principles WT Society use itself,  to warn people about some dangerous that you see it exist and can harm people. (Ezekiel book)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    Is she valid "witness"? ...of ALL things?? Can she explain clearly and with complete memory? How much witnesses of this sort we have, 2 or 3? 
    After all, if they remembered ALL this relevant things as "signs of events", that is not proof how WT Society doctrinal explanations and interpretations are "the truth".  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1914   
    ..because it is a self aggrandizing lie, contrary to facts.
    ... be careful about expecting others to be perfect .... they may think they are, and have rifles.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in 1914   
    Can you point that out in the Bible for me?
    So, all JWs are members of the anointed Body of Christ?  Can the Body function if the members are separated from each other?  
    "that there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it."  1 Cor 12:25,26
    Just because one of the GB members has a son that is anointed, doesn't mean the son  shouldn't join with other "bodily" members.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in 1914   
    No, you concrete-brained dinosaur—“all mixed up and firmly set”—because they act the same way when no money at all is at involved. They do things that cost a fortune to benefit penny-less persons in the developing world
    If it was all about money with them, they would have TOLD you to go to college, earn as much money as you can, and send it all to them! They would not be recommending people at every turn to lighten up on their use of the world—they would advise people to double down on it!
    Just one blockhead on the WNMF will do it for me.
  14. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in 1914   
    I don't know if you are having a nervous breakdown, or if you are deliberately trying to cause trouble on here but what you seem to imply was that I was saying that to JWI, which of course i wasn't.
    If you had read it properly you would have noticed i was quoting what Jesus had said to the Pharisees. 
    As for me following what JWI had said, do you have a problem with that ? If so make in known and plainly.  I have  realised for a long time that YOU like to be the centre of attention, well tough luck because you are not, so just live with it. JWI writes things that i find sensible, where as you, Mr storyteller, write utter rubbish. 
    What I actually wanted from @JW Insider was simple statements that the GB / JW Org were getting it wrong, and therefore teaching false teachings. Why ? Well one reason is to answer you when you boast about your ministry. Serving your GB and its Org, whilst telling lies to people in the world. 
    Have a wonderful day Mr Harley. 
  15. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1914   
    Do you think it MIGHT have something to do with ... oh, say ..... MONEY?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    As Marvin Webster sez: "Y'all think about it."
     
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    That was before they invented "TUMS".

    Or, as Obi-Wan Kanobe cried out in anguish, on the Millineum Falcon, and Luke Skywalker turned and asked "What's the matter Obi-Wan ... did you suddenly feel a disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror, and suddenly went silent?"
    Obi-Wan Kanobe, one hand on his forehead, and one on his stomach replied, " Naw ... just a bit of indigestion."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in 1914   
    It might seem plain to you. But I am not one of the anointed. At this point, this is a proposition to discuss amongst ourselves in this forum. Arauna has just as much right to her beliefs as I do. I'm sure the GB have seen these arguments before, and they have their reasons for continuing to read things differently. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in 1914   
    Quote @TrueTomHarley  "These types of comments from you are so frequent that it seems clear to me you are someone who wants to be told what to do—by a “true anointed,” of course—but you do want to be told what to do. "
    Coming from a man that asks if he is allowed to use blood fractions. Is it legitimate ? He asks. 
    Well Tom it seems to be you that want to be given instructions from men.  
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    You are so naive  @Arauna .  Can you seriously not see that your GB are the ones forming an elite group.
    It is they that claim they, only those 8 men, are the F&DS. It is they that tell other Anointed not to gather together to study God's Word.
    Why would your GB tell the body of Christ not to gather together, to upbuild one another ? 
    As for singling out the rich man. Anyone that supports the GB are in fact then 'singling out the rich man', by putting the GB above other Anointed. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 1914   
    @JW Insider  It looks to me, in your last comment, that you are saying that the GB and JW Org teach false teachings by misusing scriptures.  They teach 'Signs of the times' which in truth are not signs of the times, but are things NOT TO USE as signs of the times.  Most JW congregants it would seem, believe that they ARE signs of the times, BECAUSE that is JW teachings.
    Quoting from your above comment. 
    " But no one should be able to excite us with the idea that the day of the Lord is already here. (Yet, we have claimed that the day of the Lord already started, in 1914.)
    This is why the idea of a Governing Body believing they are the embodiment of the Faithful Slave can be so dangerous.
    Should also note that the Watchtower publications teach us that Kingdom was BORN in 1914, so all these birth pangs should have been in the years leading up to 1914.
    That's supposed to be 1914. So we have the birth pangs starting after the child is born. "
    I've said that I would not go door to door to teach lies. And I would not advise people to have a 'Bible Study' as it is not a true BIBLE study, but it is a book study, from a JW publication. What you have shown above proves my point exactly. 
    @TrueTomHarley says he does the preaching work of God. But if he teaches from W/t publications and does a study from a JW publication it will have the lies / mistakes you have mentioned. 
    SO, is it better to preach lies, or not to preach at all, until one knows truth. 
    I know that I'm harsh. Jesus was also harsh. The things he called those Pharisees and other Jewish religious leaders. Whitewashed graves, hypocrites, sons of Vipers ? John 8 v  4  ( Jesus said )
     You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father
    So, although i do not compare myself to Jesus, I do think i have good reason to be harsh. I am looking for truth. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in 1914   
    I kinda worry about Arauna, seriously. She seems to be looking for a sign when as already mentioned there will be no sign.  We do not know the day or the hour. Like a thief in the night. Isn't that plain to read ? 
    Why look for a sign when one is not needed ? It seems to show a 'physical man' approach, not a 'spiritual man' 
    Do you think women cannot be of the Anointed then ? 
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    Of course you will, you're a story teller, it's your job. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in 1914   
    @JW Insider  It looks to me, in your last comment, that you are saying that the GB and JW Org teach false teachings by misusing scriptures.  They teach 'Signs of the times' which in truth are not signs of the times, but are things NOT TO USE as signs of the times.  Most JW congregants it would seem, believe that they ARE signs of the times, BECAUSE that is JW teachings.
    Quoting from your above comment. 
    " But no one should be able to excite us with the idea that the day of the Lord is already here. (Yet, we have claimed that the day of the Lord already started, in 1914.)
    This is why the idea of a Governing Body believing they are the embodiment of the Faithful Slave can be so dangerous.
    Should also note that the Watchtower publications teach us that Kingdom was BORN in 1914, so all these birth pangs should have been in the years leading up to 1914.
    That's supposed to be 1914. So we have the birth pangs starting after the child is born. "
    I've said that I would not go door to door to teach lies. And I would not advise people to have a 'Bible Study' as it is not a true BIBLE study, but it is a book study, from a JW publication. What you have shown above proves my point exactly. 
    @TrueTomHarley says he does the preaching work of God. But if he teaches from W/t publications and does a study from a JW publication it will have the lies / mistakes you have mentioned. 
    SO, is it better to preach lies, or not to preach at all, until one knows truth. 
    I know that I'm harsh. Jesus was also harsh. The things he called those Pharisees and other Jewish religious leaders. Whitewashed graves, hypocrites, sons of Vipers ? John 8 v  4  ( Jesus said )
     You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father
    So, although i do not compare myself to Jesus, I do think i have good reason to be harsh. I am looking for truth. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in 1914   
    Quote @TrueTomHarley  "These types of comments from you are so frequent that it seems clear to me you are someone who wants to be told what to do—by a “true anointed,” of course—but you do want to be told what to do. "
    Coming from a man that asks if he is allowed to use blood fractions. Is it legitimate ? He asks. 
    Well Tom it seems to be you that want to be given instructions from men.  
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    You are so naive  @Arauna .  Can you seriously not see that your GB are the ones forming an elite group.
    It is they that claim they, only those 8 men, are the F&DS. It is they that tell other Anointed not to gather together to study God's Word.
    Why would your GB tell the body of Christ not to gather together, to upbuild one another ? 
    As for singling out the rich man. Anyone that supports the GB are in fact then 'singling out the rich man', by putting the GB above other Anointed. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in 1914   
    Quote @TrueTomHarley " not to mention the most clever book interpreting the Book of Revelation, with connections too compelling not to take to heart. "
    Which could NOT be the Revelation book by JW Org because they said it basically wasn't all true, in fact it probably had mistakes in..
    In 2016 ? Watchtower announced the discontinuation of multiple publications which were key doctrinal guidebooks for Witnesses, including the “Creation” book, the “Isaiah” books, and the infamous “Revelation” book. 
    I think we were brainwashed into studying this book THREE times. Repetition for emphasis maybe, or just make them read over and over then they will HAVE TO believe it. Even though they didn't believe it all themselves and basically said so. 
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     Quote @JW Insider " But these do NOT mean the END. If anything, these things will just be a BEGINNING, as things might get worse and worse between now and then. "
    Just the beginning ? Matt 24 v 8  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. or  ' pangs of Birth' as the Interlinear reads.
    Beginning of pangs of birth, just the beginning. 
    So then maybe my idea of another 10 years is not so silly after all.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in 1914   
    Quote @Anna  "Many JW's don't think beyond what is black and white, and need everything not only served up, but already digested." 
    Yes, this is why the GB and Writing Dept' et al are so dangerous. Because JW boots on the ground have stopped thinking and just serve the GB and It's Org. You seem to admit it but when I put it in words you they deny it. You are kinda funny Anna.  
    Quote "This is why many, like you, are under the wrong impression that the GB are supposed to make no mistakes, and cannot be questioned. "
    In my opinion, if God through Christ was guiding the GB then the GB would get things right. Why? Well firstly, it seems that in the  eyes of the GB et al, Armageddon is 'so close'.  So there is no time to loose. The preaching work and the congregation should therefore be spot on / almost perfect, so as not to stumble anyone. Why? Because it is PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK. It would seem that JW teaching is that if a person dies at Armageddon they do not get a second chance. Hence if a person is stumbled by GB /JW Org teachings, or by Elders in congregations then Luke 17 v 1 & 2 comes into play.
     Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! 2  It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.
    Secondly. You know what would happen if a congregant started questioning the GB's 'guidance'. If a congregant started talking to others in their congregation, suggesting that the GB were giving false information. The said person would firstly be warned, secondly be disfellowshipped for 'causing a division in the congregation'. 
    So how does one 'question the GB' ? Would they give me a personal invitation to visit them to question them ? I think not. (Apart from which i could never afford the air fare anyway).  I am talking about questioning the GB not writing to Bethel, as the later does no good at all. 
    Quote " What do you think the identifying mark of these "real anointed" is? "
    Zechariah 8 v 23
    “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nationsj will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”
    So how will those 'ten men' know exactly who that 'Jew' is ?  
    Quote "The anointed of those days were baptized with holy spirit, the HS helped them to speak languages they never knew before, it helped them to perform miracles. All that was finished and done when the last of them died, and wasn't going to happen again."
    Are you sure it won't happen again ? Are not the Anointed today 'baptised' with Holy Spirit ? Are they not inspired of God ? How then, in fact, do they know they are the Anointed ?  You of little faith.
    BUT your GB treads them down. Your GB slyly suggests that they might be 'mentally ill' and then to those that are Anointed it tells them they do not need to contact each other or to study God's word together.
    Why would your GB do that ? Why would your GB say that only they, those 8 men, are the F&DS ? 
    Would not truly anointed ones actually want to meet together ? Would not a true F&DS want to gather all the Anointed (via internet / telephone / letter / etc) so as to confer / discuss / build up and share thoughts and blessings from God through Christ ? 
    Quote Anna " b4ucuhear hit the nail on the head when he said regarding those taking the lead: "
    So I'll quote him " Also, that way we won't be stumbled when Jesus apparently gets dates and teachings wrong and has to back-track on what he directed/controlled before.
    You think JESUS gets it wrong ? Seriously ?  So now you are prepared to blame Jesus for the faults of your GB.
    No hope it seems for those that put the GB and JW Org above God and Christ. 
    Have a good day Anna. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in 1914   
    I just wrote  (and lost) a long answer which demonstrated how in the entire US civil war just over 640,000 were killed -  not millions. Another war in which in one day 3000 persons were killed in 1838...... in which guns were used in fierce battle. 
    Only with godly intervention there were millions upon millions killed.  Only after 1914 do we see unprecedented numbers of persons  killed in one day..which fits the horses of Revelation....... the front horse being a crowned king.
    Just read Matt 24 again and see the sequence of events in Jesus' time and today as well.  Some here have taken it out of sequence and context.  I wrote a paragraph about the constant wars and how Titus came back in 70CE - lost this too! 
    Today we have similar signs. I read today how the Beidou  positioning and surveillance satelite system will take over the world by the alliance between Russia and China (with UN approval ) which will give them more navigational power (even underwater) than USA. Google is cooperating.  
    After June 2020 the world will start to change and you will see what I have been talking about.  The signs are already here. When the thief will break in, we do not know.
    My eyes are weak and my fingers bad..... so I say goodbye.  
    I will go and give ideas to those who want to hear.  Not those who think they are superior to JWs or secular in their thinking.  I have to use my eyes on more worthy pursuits. 
    I know what is going on in the world but my thinking is not worldly. I have not been compromised by secularism.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in 1914   
    You dodo, he has asked nothing of the sort. Go back and read it again.
    If I ever reread Revelation and discover yet another beast—one described as one of those little yapping dogs that bite you in the ankle or pees on your pant leg the moment your back is turned, I will have an intrepration for that one that will even make your ‘true anointed” turn green with envy,
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