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Patiently waiting for Truth

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Let us go further. By what law JHVH would judge people who lived in different periods of time. Because, as I understand Bible and WT interpretations of some verses, God will judge all our deeds. No matter of when people lived and no matter when they done something and did they die or still living.
    By what law He will do that? By the law that was in power when those people lived and done things, good and bad .......or will He using one Law (Present law in the moment of judging) and retroactively judged all our past deeds?
     Because Bible said how He will do that Retroactively.   God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” - Rom 2  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Your entire comment and thoughts inside it are excellent and giving real picture on that part of JW organization and members. 
    I have singled out this section relating to the work of elders. The work of those elders who are concerned about the lives of the people, and their commitment to the spiritual and emotional relationships of the assembly members.
    I can assume that all such individuals among the elders, who are in the minority, experience very serious, conflicting turmoil. For those elders who are very sensitive by nature, all that they may face can be too much. For such elders, who begin to perceive the paradox that arises between truth, justice, Jesus' teaching, on the one hand, and the corporate governance of that power, the power that human influences and positions (hierarchies) have of things, can end up very bad for themselves. Even in suicide.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Actually, it is the majority of JWs who believe they live in a protective bubble – a spiritual paradise.  This idea is fostered by the GB. Yes, your GB who teach such lies is very responsible for the destructive effect their falsehoods have produced.  I remember thinking when a young woman in the organization, that I had entered a place where God generously protected those who worshiped Him.  When one hears teachings such as…
    In this troubled world, the Christian congregation is a spiritual oasis. It is a haven of peace and love. w02 3/15 pp. 24-25  But those who are part of Jehovah’s organization are presently enjoying the security of a spiritual paradise. kl chap. 17 pp. 160-169   …the emotional response is one of inner “peace” and “security”. (1 Thess 5:3 )  In a haven of peace and love, most would not, could not, be convinced that the threat of evil also resides in this haven.   It wasn’t until my husband became an elder that reality very slowly began to seep into my brain.  Although I didn’t know the reasons for his many shepherding visits, or late night phone calls, I could see the strain on his face caused by whatever it was he was dealing with; and the spiritual, protective bubble that I had believed in, was growing weaker by the year. I began to comprehend how being in the organization was causing strain on him, his wife and his three little boys. My bubble of the haven of peace, love and spiritual security, eventually burst.  My husband has since told me he dealt with issues of marital and child abuse, although I never asked who was involved.
     God does not generously protect a JW from another JW,in the WT’s spiritual paradise of peace and security.    This is why exJWs speak out harshly against the organization’s sins.  While you have your studies with newly interested ones, believing you are feeding them truth; endeavoring to aid them in joining the organization, you are in fact, introducing them to a world of twisted teachings that possibly will cause great suffering and heartbreak in the future…unless, as a coping mechanism, they choose to become blind and deaf to the harsh realities that exist in their new world – the world you live in.  Their love for the organization supersedes their love for God's righteous justice.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4
    In my early WT years, I was once told by a JW at a convention, that I shouldn’t leave my valuables on the seat when taking my baby to the restroom.  Why? Because there were many visitors who were not JWs and whose motives were to take advantage of God’s sheep-like people.   Even she believed she lived in a protective bubble as a JW. 
    One who commits child abuse has a disease that needs attention by qualified professionals; otherwise the disease continues to fester.  If your GB members were spiritually keen men, they would have dealt effectively with these issues from day one. What did they choose to do?  Hide them, catalog them, and why?  What good did that do, but show their lack of spiritual abilities?  To hide sins is evil – pure evil.  The Pharisees were accused of the same.  Matt 23:25 
    I barely keep up with the child abuse cases involving JWs.  But one thing that is brought out many times that I noticed, is that the perpetrator is moved by an elder to another congregation, because the perpetrator is also an elder.  Or he independently moves on his own. 
     
    For consideration - "What's Wrong with 'peace and security?"  
    http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=peace+and+security
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    Let me help you out with that link I had provided from your organization's website.  
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200021878#h=1:0
    "Also called 144,000; Anointed; Body of Christ; Bride of Christ; Chosen Ones; Elect; Holy Nation; Israel of God; Kingdom Class; Little Flock; New Creation; New Nation; Royal House; Royal Priesthood; Sanctuary Class; Sons of Levi; Spirit Begotten; Spiritual Israel; Spiritual Sons)"
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Yes, I do understand what you were talking about and what you were talking about was ridiculous. You instantly pounce on Jehovah’s Witnesses for much lesser violations of logic.
    Notice how your ally-of-late agreed with me and not you? It is because he still believes in God. He still thinks this life is not all there is.
    If you believe in God, my remark makes sense. If you believe material things are all there are, they may not. Just be honest about where you are coming from. It is no more than what Paul said:
    “But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.”  1 Corinthians 2:14
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Arauna seems to have OCD about hating all ex Witnesses and about being blind to faults with the GB and the JW Org. 
    She even seems to have OCD about using the expression OCD. 
    Quote "ONE minute you judge us for being too harsh and the next that we are too soft? "
    Yes too harsh by punishing some who were actually victims, but too soft by protecting paedophile elders and ministerial servants. Sorry to be so harsh but it HAS BEEN PROVEN in court cases, here in UK as well as in USA. Arauna, I'm talking facts here. There is real proof of my statement. 
    Quote "Would you like it if you committed fornication or  some other act if the entire act was announced to the congregation? "
    Didn't the Apostle Paul do exactly that ?   1 Corinthians 5 v 1 New International Version
    It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife. 
    But I'm not talking about fornication between two consenting adults, I'm talking about Child Sexual Abuse by an adult member of the congregation. 
    Quote "Study the laws that were in place and do not judge us by the current laws retroactively  but by the neglect of congress (regress) to not put proper laws in place."
    I know nothing of law and certainly i know nothing about American law,  BUT, remember, 'We must serve God as ruler, rather then men'. God's laws should be written on the hearts of those taking the lead. So to use secular law as an excuse to mishandle those breaking God's laws, makes no sense. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Yes, One of the good points about JW Org 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Arauna seems to have OCD about hating all ex Witnesses and about being blind to faults with the GB and the JW Org. 
    She even seems to have OCD about using the expression OCD. 
    Quote "ONE minute you judge us for being too harsh and the next that we are too soft? "
    Yes too harsh by punishing some who were actually victims, but too soft by protecting paedophile elders and ministerial servants. Sorry to be so harsh but it HAS BEEN PROVEN in court cases, here in UK as well as in USA. Arauna, I'm talking facts here. There is real proof of my statement. 
    Quote "Would you like it if you committed fornication or  some other act if the entire act was announced to the congregation? "
    Didn't the Apostle Paul do exactly that ?   1 Corinthians 5 v 1 New International Version
    It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife. 
    But I'm not talking about fornication between two consenting adults, I'm talking about Child Sexual Abuse by an adult member of the congregation. 
    Quote "Study the laws that were in place and do not judge us by the current laws retroactively  but by the neglect of congress (regress) to not put proper laws in place."
    I know nothing of law and certainly i know nothing about American law,  BUT, remember, 'We must serve God as ruler, rather then men'. God's laws should be written on the hearts of those taking the lead. So to use secular law as an excuse to mishandle those breaking God's laws, makes no sense. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to The Librarian in First Day in Paradise   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Of course, when you take "sword" (of any kind. literal and spiritual too) in your hand many things can go wrong. 
    But, i know that you understand what i was talking about. Your objection about my comment is "just for the sake of the public and to write something". :)))
    Wars in OT including Abraham to David and other individuals, and nation Israel, can be viewed and explained under both lights.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    If i may join.
    We need some research about how many JW committed CM. But WT Society as Conglomerate who run Company, Corporation and Religion in the same time from one Central place in US are not willing to publish such information to no one - neither to Courts nor to Members. Some sort of exception is what was happen in Australia. But such database is only for Australia Branch Office. Even with such reduced insight, we saw how 1006 JW members and those who has been very closely related to JW congregations, committed  crime. Many of them was MS and elders. Is that percentage small or big, we can discuss. But because of nature of crime and because of nature of JW church who has the highest moral standards, as they claim for themselves, any number is too high and embarrassing.
     Very very short respond: If WT Society is run by Spirit, than Spirit would know how to handle this problem. 
    When we are in negative mode because talking often about bad things and problems, that can be a burden for both, ourselves and those who listen to us. Sometimes it is hard to "escape" this, because many of us had been very long in JW organization.
    If it is what you say, than JW members would know about all this when open JW TV. But there is no news, documents on JW Broadcast about what going on. 
    Also, WT Australia not joined National Redress Scheme. What can be reason for that? Perhaps, because WT don't want to admit any responsibility about CM. They have no intend to join. And such stand is unacceptable.  
    The Australian Government is encouraging all institutions responsible for child sexual abuse, including those listed below, to join the Scheme without delay. - https://www.nationalredress.gov.au/institutions/institutions-have-not-yet-joined
     
     If GB run all moves of secular and spiritual nature from one Central place, and request of all people inside church to obey every decision, than they are responsible. And that is why we have GB members listed as Defendants in newest Court case.     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    If a person was involved in wrongdoing  the elders cannot STOP them to move to a new location - only inform the new location. This (jws) is NOT a dictatorship...... a word you love to use. ..... ONE minute you judge us for being too harsh and the next that we are too soft? Heh?   Perfect logic? Want to eat pie on BOTH sides..... 
    Would you like it if you committed fornication or  some other act if the entire act was announced to the congregation?   Where does mercy begin and harshness end?    Thank goodness humans are not the judge but Jehovah and his son.   If someone from outside congregation attends our meetings parents must watch their children.   It is not our place to decide  who is worthy of everlasting life.
    Again: must we tell this person they are not welcome ?  Throw them out?  Especially when the top government officials are coverring up these kind of  crimes when people have money..... so NO redemption for the poor?   
    It is EASY to judge and break down when your own sense if justice is aske. Jah sees it from both sides.
    Study the laws that were in place and do not judge us by the current laws retroactively  but by the neglect of congress (regress) to not put proper laws in place. 
    You have the idea that JWs live in a protected bubble. What you do not realize is that  individuals can deviate from Jehovahs standards and bring dishonor to jehovah AND those who serve him -  just as you are doing with your OCD opus operandi of hate
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in If JWs told people their real motivation for knocking at their doors on the initial call.   
    I believe that many things (maybe not all) that Jack posts here, are comments and posts from exjw forums.  What words you read may not necessarily be owned by Jack.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Bogdan11 in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    Hence I feel the scriptures were / are written for the Anointed, not for the earthly class. 
    I feel that only the Anointed should fully understand scripture as they are 'one' with Christ. 
    The rest of us are just the other sheep.    I like the scripture about 'Ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew' 
    The 'Jew' being the Anointed class, the ones clinging being the earthly class. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    What seems to have been proven in courts is that Elders deliberately hid the information from congregants, hence elders or others could continue to commit CSA offences,  and also that elders that had committed CSA WERE moved from one congregation to another. Those things HAVE been proven in court cases. So your defence of the GB Org is not so true. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    Witness which I suspect is you,  
    Is this rubbish really going to start again. I was following this blog / forum long before I chose to join it, and one reason I didn't join earlier was reading all the horrid stupidity of people saying, x was y, and you must be he, and telling one person that they had three different user names just to give themselves up votes etc etc, 
    It is obviously people that are losing a debate / discussion, or people who feel hurt by someone's comments. BUT it does no good to the blog as a whole. Just wastes everyone's time. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in If JWs told people their real motivation for knocking at their doors on the initial call.   
    “Look! A sower went out to sow.  As he was sowing, some seeds fell alongside the road, and the birds came and ate them up.  Others fell on rocky ground where there was not much soil, and they immediately sprang up because the soil was not deep.   But when the sun rose, they were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.  Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them.  Still others fell on the fine soil, and they began to yield fruit, this one 100 times more, that one 60, the other 30.  But a few fell upon Jack’s lawn, and he said”
    “What is more, I do indeed also consider all things to be loss on account of the excelling value of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have taken the loss of all things and I consider them as a lot of refuse, that I may gain Christ. However, my neighbor Jack does not see it this way. He says:”
    “Again the Kingdom of the heavens is like a traveling merchant seeking fine pearls.  Upon finding one pearl of high value, he went away and promptly sold all the things he had and bought it. And then he shows it to his neighbor Jack, who says:”
    The foul-mouthed crybaby
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in If JWs told people their real motivation for knocking at their doors on the initial call.   
    Now those few words tell me you hate all goodness or decency.  We understand fully why you hate JWs.   There is no respect and logic in the cesspit where those words were thought up.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Jack Ryan in If JWs told people their real motivation for knocking at their doors on the initial call.   
    JW: Good morning sir/ma’am. (Big, upbeat smiles on their faces). We would like you to join our religion.
    Householder: Umm, I’m tired and hungover (yawns). Umm, what is required to do that?
    JW: Simply disassociate from your current religion, if you have one, and start working towards baptism in ours.
    Householder: Can I get baptized today in that pond down the road? (Points down yonder)
    JW: Well no, it’s a process that could take a year or two and we do the baptisms in a JW approved location.
    Householder: Hmm, alright. I never heard of you guys before (yawns some more). What kind of things do I need to do to work towards baptism?
    JW: Stop smoking, doing drugs, getting drunk, sex before marriage to name a few. No more voting or involvement in politics, participating in birthdays or holidays, it’s all Satanic. Do you have a lot of friends and family?
    Householder: Yes, I love them all dearly. (Pulls out his phone and starts gushing showing pictures of them)
    JW: Well, you will want to distance yourself from all of them, they are evil people who will be dying soon at the hands of our loving God Jehovah. But don’t worry about having any friends, you will take on all of us, we are so loving and will be your new family!
    Householder: You guys sound like a cult, fuckin A. (Scratches the back of his head with an eyebrow raised)
    JW: Hang on, I need to finish my presentation. A few more things, your kids can’t enroll in after school sports and you should probably quit your professional job to find one less demanding so you can go in service more like we are doing. Also, if you need blood in an emergency, you can’t take it, I mean you won’t take it because you will love Jehovah too much and you will accept death could be possible, but let me tell you, you will be so happy and at peace. If any members get disfellowshipped, you have to hold up your end of the deal and shun them. It’s hard at first, but does get easier with time. So what do you think? Can we start a Bible study today and get you moving on this amazing journey?
    Householder: You sir, can kiss my ass and fuck off, I’m going back to bed. (Belches loud and slams the door shut)
    JWs shrug at each other, label him a goat and move onto the next door with big smiles on their faces.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    You can change the spots on a leopard, but you can't change its breath.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Lol this kind of reasoning cracks me up, too innocent to tell lies too innocent to appear in front of the court too innocent to be buying whisky 😆😆😆 
    How do U know as a fact they have never touched anyone inappropriately, not saying they have but to make such statement that they have never U must have good evidence.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Matthew9969 in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    What seems to have been proven in courts is that Elders deliberately hid the information from congregants, hence elders or others could continue to commit CSA offences,  and also that elders that had committed CSA WERE moved from one congregation to another. Those things HAVE been proven in court cases. So your defence of the GB Org is not so true. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Gulf War, Spanish-American, Civil War, to name a few. “People helping people:”—I admit I have never looked upon it that way. You are on to something, Srecko.
    To be sure, many will go to war with noble intentions. What the overall picture shows, however, is that “man is dominating man to his injury.” Isn’t there a religion somewhere that points to the solution to that predicament?
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