Patiently waiting for Truth

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is.  
Yes, I am aware of this flip-flop about using this particular term i WTJWorg publications.
Agree  , they are “Normal Prophets” with flip-flop doctrines and understanding with variable knowledge of unimportant things.
So according to your logic, it is quite normal that "uninspired prophets" have full freedom and permission to prophesy whatever seems right to them, even if it was complete nonsense for those "uninspired prophets" who later reject previous "prophecies" or adapt it to new level of knowledge.
If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.
You have the wrong source of information about this thing.
 

It was not my intention to insult, but I asked the SM a question regarding his thesis.

You pretend to be debating but you are actually, by your dishonest and leading questions, bringing up another contentious subject.
You are devious and a great pretender!

Excuse me - that is not a statement that is true. I do not want to get into an argument with the two of you.  But how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism amongst us? I have not seen anything like that!

WTJWorg addressed the topic of “prophets” in their Insight encyclopedia. I went to their site to be reminded of what they wrote. Of course, JWs tend to use a certain term in a way and in a model that suits them in a particular situation.
A “normal JW” will never use the term “prophet” on himself, but most often “witness”, “announcer”, "publisher" and the like. But also, when JW would talk about “prophets” he would use the terms “inspired” (from God or from the devil) and even more significant terminology is “true and false prophet”.
Analogously, are JWs true or false (prophets) publishers and witnesses today?
JWs deal with interpretations of the biblical text and predictions of events from biblical texts that are enigmatic or in the form of prophecy. When they make a mistake in interpretations, they are "false prophets", aren't they? And when their doctrine will remain unchanged forever then we will be able to call them “true prophets,” right?
How does a “normal JW prophet” come to “knowledge”? Through verbal and written "prophecy" of GB, of course. GB is The Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JWs, and they are Guardian of Doctrine. So the “normal JW” is just a transmitter of GB "revelations", not some sort of “prophet” who, through personal spiritual effort, came up with the impetus for “prophecy” with the help/incentive  of "spirit".
"Normal JW prophet" works on the copy / paste model. They absorb information from "earthly mother organization"  and then transmit it through public preaching. JW "prophesies" (about) his faith in .....this and that.

I don't twist, you did lean towards your own personal thoughts when the Bible is clear on why we should not lean upon our own understanding. God's Word is clear on that, and this should be known to you.
Of what you are attesting to is the events of Pentecost 33AD, around Apostle John was still alive and well, possibly in his late 20s, early 30s at the time, and even then he was proclaiming the message alongside the the Christians, as is the Chosen. For they themselves had such abilities to have visions, heal, etc, granted this is the events of the 1st century around the time the Christian Church and the faith began, for instance, concerning raising the dead as seen in Acts 9:40–41; 20:9–12. For the Christians of that time, as is among the Chosen, were indeed Prophets Inspired and continue to heed command of the Christ concerning the Commission, making disciples in the process.
But as pointed out, what is seen in Acts is the earliest of the Church's actions as is it's people, even the term Christian being noted.
The Chosen still walk among us, but concerning Acts this was during John's time, not afterwards. Polycarp was perhaps Chosen himself, but not having the inspiration of which his teacher, Apostle John, had.
But in Pentecost 33 AD, our early counterparts were capable of such things, as is Apostle John.
The ability to have visions, to be a Revelator, is equal to that of other abilities of which Prophets Inspired have.
Of course, this is Pentecost 33 AD, not near the end of the 1st century (100-200 AD). But kills it even more for you is even the likes of the Didache and the Teaching of the 12 Apostles
Faith begets insight and understanding. Therefore, my faith is as strong as titanium for I read truth, I do not idle by waiting for it, as you are doing.
It is unwise to assume, as you do, to attest otherwise. For it was very clear of what happened after John's death, such abilities ceased.
The only other person who attested to visions was the very man who caused quite the catalytic of Christianity itself.
That being said, I recommend you read up more on what happened along the years after Pentecost 33AD, there was a reason why people like Polycarp was fighting to maintain the truth of God's Word.

Twist this if it makes you happy BUT you were not talking about Scripture at that time. you were talking about me getting my understanding of things from the main stream media. My reply was that my thought and understanding were my own.
 I'm not suggesting that the True Anointed will 'raise the dead' or 'heal the sick'. BUT i am suggesting that the True Anointed will be inspired and will have visions and dream dreams, just as the scripture in Acts mentions. 
Berean Study Bible Acts 2 : 17 & 18 
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. And even upon My servants, and upon My handmaidens, I will pour out of My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
Oh You of little faith. how will you be saved. 

Well it seems that SM knows for sure that no Prophet will ever be Inspired ever again. It's finished. 
I don't think so  
We do not know 'exactly' where we are in the stream of time.  We do not know how many years are left. 
SM is busy telling me that I don't use scripture to base my ideas on. SM seems to know more about me than God or Yeshua know. 
So to SM and ALL others here. I believe that in the 'last days' Inspired Prophets or Inspired Anointed ones will guide true Christians to truth and give true direction and help. 

Twist this if it makes you happy BUT you were not talking about Scripture at that time. you were talking about me getting my understanding of things from the main stream media. My reply was that my thought and understanding were my own.
 I'm not suggesting that the True Anointed will 'raise the dead' or 'heal the sick'. BUT i am suggesting that the True Anointed will be inspired and will have visions and dream dreams, just as the scripture in Acts mentions. 
Berean Study Bible Acts 2 : 17 & 18 
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. And even upon My servants, and upon My handmaidens, I will pour out of My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
Oh You of little faith. how will you be saved. 

@JW Insider Agreed, also as for this
Ukraine only came up because of the BBC Article first brought forth by @Srecko Sostar.
So the discussion is mixed, and bounces back between subject matter from the looks of it.
Gospel preaching, Ukraine conflict, The Last Apostle/Inspired and not Inspired Prophets, John Butler's other account, and somehow John the Baptist got interjected because people are getting their Johns confused when it is clear of whom it being talked about.
 
Concerning your faith's gospel preaching, it won't be the same as it was before. People are more leaning towards to ill intent out of desperation. So you, as with most, need to be extremely vigilant and cautious.
 
Apparently, the common folks wants your faith community back:

 

I get the impression that you have a list of two groups, on one are the media sources that always presents the truth, and on the other list are the media sources that always presents lie.

I respect opinion in your claim that you do not do opinions.  

As fare as, "Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now?"
I had lunch with my brother in law who is a long time elder yesterday here in Southern California and his answer was, no. 
I asked him what about the cart witnessing, and he simply said that they will continue as they have been by doing the letter and phone witnessing.

No, especially because we are ALL participants of debates under JW Open Club.  

Because they are, granted, those who believe such abilities to exist after Apostle John, affiliated themselves with Mainstream ideas.
No one has risen the dead, healed the sick, transfigured and or had visions, not even the students of John.
The fact you mentioned Pentecost 33 AD does not help you either, for that was in the 1st century, around that time, Apostle John was still alive and well.
The Mainstream believes that the ability to do what is mentioned, i.e. Heal the sick, persisted into the 2nd Century. Even the ideas of which God can strike people now, literally, of which they still believe to this day, which spins a contradiction on the coming of God's Judgment.
Your own ideas? Better to lean on what God's Word attest to than your own understanding of things, which puts you in the same light of the Mainstreamers.
Unfortunately, there was a history concerning that one, as is Admin's involvement. John Butler II can be found via the member club list, whatever pertains to Admin is now archived. Granted the timeframe from your original tenure, it is evident an attempt of a comeback, was done, only for it to fail. For due to Admin's action, you may have done something that enforced the ban itself by crossing Forum ground rules.
As for the other remark, it is irrelevant, the claim of the account existing, was proven to be true.
Then you most likely crossed a Forum ground rule which resulted in the wipe of the second account. And it was hastened due to it most likely being an IP Ban whereas regardless of the account, if it is tied to an IP, it'll trigger something, notify an Admin, etc. Both John Butler and John Butler II were probably on the same IP.
I don't get upset. You claim such an account was non-existent, and the fact you didn't mention it again, I put it where it can be seen, nothing more.
That being said, such is quite miniscule, even the plea itself.
You are free to speak your peace about your own understanding, but concerning God's Word, no Prophet Inspired with such abilities exist.
Unless you can name one God fearing man now who can, raise the dead, so to speak, then perhaps your word is bond.
The only people who are supposedly known to raise the dead in this day and age are Ritualistic Cultist associated with Black Magic, but their machinations is associated with the use of drugs and toxins to fool people that they can heal and or raise the dead, aka Spiritism. Then you have the Mainstreams who thinks they can go to a Spiritual plain of existence and have visions, transfigure even; entirely false.
Prophets Not Inspired are essentially the Christians of today, those led by the Spirit to proclaim the Messianic Message, to make disciples, etc., prophesying God's Word. Vastly different from their Prophet Inspired counterparts as written in scripture.
I haven't changed the subject. You brought up 2 notions. I haven't brought any insults either.
1. Concerning Prophets Inspired
2. The account you assume to not be in existence; mask remark.
Granted you are using an appeal to motive, which does not really work if you are on the losing end.
Not to mention you were using your own understanding instead of the Bible. Not a good look, and anyone can discern that.
If I hid behind a mask, as you claim, I would be having multiple accounts/names and speaking in 3rd person, as what you've done, so much so, your plea was wiped out. For last I check, you had 4 names in a span of 3 accounts. Which mask is really you? Granted the 3rd person rhetoric, you are your own sentient entity, so to speak, and there are many examples of which you speak as yourself behind the mask of which you where.
I am simply Space Merchant (for the name and profile pic has a reason behind it), or simply referred to as Baptise, my actual name of which I mentioned before.
That being said, I am myself. I speak like this, I debate like this, and this is how I am, and I actually attest to solutions, I do not whine over things over Facebook (your realm of reality as you claim), for I take action, and so far, the things I have done has been working.

I still say I do not remember using John butler 2.  In fact I could not use my real name or my email address. I had to create a new email and a second user on my computer to be able to access this forum again.  That was how firm the action was against me. And all because i upset someone on here. 
But I can see how much it has upset you, that you have to make a big issue out of it. OR perhaps it is my personal thoughts about Inspired Prophets that has upset you, so that you have to try to change the subject. 
I can always tell when the 'opposition' is losing because they always change the subject or start to insult me  .........  
You hide behind a mask Storm Trouper but you continue to insult me. 
 

You seem to pluck crazy thoughts out of no where SM. My 'ideas' are my own thank you. 
 

The true enemy is Satan the devil. And God's word gives us enough information about the 'end times'.  Only YHWH through Yeshua  will save who He wishes to save.  As for the rest of it, persecution will come from all sides, but dying is not a problem when we have faith in the resurrection. 

Dmitar has promised to leave the Archive April 2nd.
In a strange way I will miss his agenda driven spasm downvoting.

“Plans against NATO” could mean anything.
I am hoping it just means to demilitarize Ukraine.  The prevailing winds are from the West to the East,  and the Ukraine does have (did have ?) biological and chemical weapons research laboratories, and presumably production facilities ….. and they have a large border with the Russian Federation. After he destroys that capability, perhaps he will stop.
Just like the JFK assassination in 1963 perhaps we will not know for a hundred years …. Or perhaps never ….. what it was REALLY all about.

If we have a “sinful nature” then the influence of evil angels is in the background. They are not the cause of our evil actions.
SM claim demons are active. What are the proportions/ratio, between/of our nature and their evil presence, when we as people doing bad things?

Are you talking about the past? And what is the range of that past (BCE to CE) when angels came to earth as messengers?
If you are talking about the present, are you claiming that angels are transmitting news to people today? 

@Witness The Them remark was in regards to you and Srecko, granted originally you made the thread about False Prophets.
The Chosen has nothing to do with the non-existence of Prophets Inspired after Apostle John. Therefore, you cannot name one, or call to existence any who came forth after John. For if his students were simply Prophets Inspired, it is 100% accurate to note no Prophet Inspired existed afterwards, especially with the events of 325AD and onward.
As a side note there were Chosen who were indeed Prophets Inspired, but these persons were around John's time, and the majority died out, with the last of Inspired Prophets to remain alive was Apostle John himself, hence Apostle Paul's message to the Corinthians in his First letter regarding of such a time to come.

Also for the record because I know you won't bring it up after this. After John Butler was banned possibly around October of 2019, a few months later, John Butler II emerged around December, pleading with Admin, both in 1st person and in 3rd person, hence you wearing a mask (so to speak), in a few remarks.
It is also noted that it was not anyone else, but you, granted of not only the mannerisms, but what was said. Admin essentially shut that down too, with the thread involved, effectively wiped, likewise to your use of Ebonics, which I will find should the situation calls for it. Of what Admin did, difficult to track with Archives, but the name was found, even if anyone looks at the members of the club itself, the name is found, present day.
Next time, understand the order of your own house, for if something is said, it isn't without reason.
So the order it seems, concerning you, John Butler > John Butler II > 4Jah2me > Patiently Waiting For Truth (current)
https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/profile/18849-john-butler-2/
 
 
 
 3rd person talk concerning your tenure is quite the mask of which is worn.
That being said, I believe this matter, has concluded, Mr. Butler.
 
If there is an Allen Entity, I guess one can say there is Butler Entity as well, but such an Entity is aware of his tenured sentience.