Patiently waiting for Truth

The thing is, this is true, there is no one after John that is an Prophet Inspired, who outlived everyone, even those at Pentecost, who is a Prophet Inspired. This is extremely obvious due to the fact you have many denominations regarding the Abrahamic Faith, the existence of 2 factions of Christendom, etc. Likewise with the numerous Bible Translations, even revised. This is why I said to @Srecko Sostar and @Witness before, even now, for should a Prophet Inspired did exist, be it one or a few, we would not be in the position we are in now, essentially. Not to mention, the students of Apostle John and their ordeal cannot go unnoticed.
God has already made this clear, as did our Christian brothers and sisters before us.
I do not see why you take such disdain for a Prophet Not Inspired, which is what you are, myself, and others. For we have things we can do although our Inspired counterparts have done better.
I do not pretend. Hermeneutics is vital. As is research and study.
You are now focus on the chosen, even concerning them, the abilities of which was mentioned, died with the Last Apostle. None of them today, Solider of God, and or others, or the ones of whom the Jehovah's Witnesses say is chosen, all of them are not Prophets Inspired.
Although our past counterparts had such abilities, those today, 2nd century and onward, do not.
Granted, I mention this all the time and now you seem to notice this.
I am well aware, but clearly no one after John had such abilities. You can't even prove it, should you try.
But if you want to be my guess, and if I am in the wrong here, what is stopping you from naming a Prophet Inspired today?
We both know about the Chosen, but the Bible is clear on things pertaining to Apostle John. And what transpired afterwards prior to Constantine having his hand in Christianity.
As pointed out, if Prophets Inspired existed after John's death, his students would not be in a difficult position, Christianity would still be like that of the Apostolic Early Church with no shift or change from Roman Emperors of the rise of Catholicism. No Holy Wars would exist in which blood is spilled on soil, for God's people will be unified against threat, and there would not be any other faction of Christendom, let alone denominations. The only thing we'd be dealing with possibly is those who have a believe in False Gods/Goddesses only like that of God's people in Ancient Israel, or something to a similar effect.
Because John's students and those after them do not have such abilities. No one can transfigure, no one can attest to having visions and or revelations from God concerning the things to come. All we have is what is written and we do out best to adhere to it. Likewise with the events, 2nd century, to the 4th concerning the Council of Nicaea and onward, Bible Translations, etc.
It's pretty obvious.
Not really because if that were the case, you'd realize the position of the students of the Apostle, who knew God's Word on the same level of Apostle John.
You never apply discernment, so how can you tell?
Not really. But that is quite the accusation.
The Watchtower is aware that they are not Prophets Inspired. If they did have absolute power, then they would have been in KAIROS as the majority of Christendom.
You aren't if you didn't realize Apostle John had students.
Actually you have in the past. A specific Bible Strong's can be coined.
That being said, it is pretty odd as to how both you and @Witness or not only downplaying the students of John who was at his level concerning God's Word, but the history of the 2nd century to the 4th century. For what reason? A mystery.
Surely, former Jehovah's Witnesses would do better than that, but as I said in the past, even recently, Mainstream ideas tend to get the best of you.

Mathew  5 :22
But I say to you but that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council and whoever says ‘you fool’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Your abuse and the fact that Satan is laughing his head off about you fighting with and causing dissension  amongst Jehovahs people..I have no alternative but to step away from you via blocking such behavior.
 

You're the woeful fool that keeps responding to my post. Be smart like @TrueTomHarley thinks you are, and heed your own advice, or does that D'fd @Pudgy your friend needs to draw you a cartoon? 
It is also hypocritical for you to be opposing and arguing with former Jehovah's Witnesses like @Patiently waiting for Truth, @Srecko Sostar, @Matthew9969, @Witness. You people should be supporting each other. Show the love among your ranks. 
Remember, Jehovah does mind fools using his name in vain, much more using it as false prophets.

It seems that most people on here lack real faith in YHWH and through Yeshua. 
I think Space Merchant is treading a very dangerous path for himself, but why would he ?
Well why do the GB of the Watchtower tread that same path ? It's all to do with 'power' and control.
Some people do not want to accept that Yeshua has been given all authority in Heaven and on Earth. 
Yeshua could send angels to give messages to True Anointed ones if Yeshua so wishes. 
Yeshua could send the Holy Spirit from God to True Anointed ones if Yeshua so wishes. 
Miracles have not ceased, and will not cease. 
Yes I AM, Patiently waiting for Truth. 
But I'm NOT pretending that I know more that others. 

It seems that most people on here lack real faith in YHWH and through Yeshua. 
I think Space Merchant is treading a very dangerous path for himself, but why would he ?
Well why do the GB of the Watchtower tread that same path ? It's all to do with 'power' and control.
Some people do not want to accept that Yeshua has been given all authority in Heaven and on Earth. 
Yeshua could send angels to give messages to True Anointed ones if Yeshua so wishes. 
Yeshua could send the Holy Spirit from God to True Anointed ones if Yeshua so wishes. 
Miracles have not ceased, and will not cease. 
Yes I AM, Patiently waiting for Truth. 
But I'm NOT pretending that I know more that others. 

@Witness We know the difference between a prophet inspired and a prophet not inspired. Still - No one after John, not even his students, had the ability to profess visions, have a prophet level of prophesying, miraculous gifts, etc. So you, myself, everyone here, the Jehovah's Witnesses as is others in the Abrahamic Faith, on both factions, are not prophets inspired, and or has any ability of that nature of what Prophets of old as is followers of Christ were capable of doing, anyone who claims such, well, one can call upon the words of Apostle Paul, Galatians 1:1-11. Moreover, those who make claim often than not are affiliated with Spiritism and or Demonic Forces, as is those who claim they can speak to or bring back the dead like that of the Christ. Likewise with those who said they had visions of Heaven and or Hell (which can be contributed to revelations from fallen ones, rebellious angels) - hence the verse in the same passage:
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
It is also noted if Prophets Inspired existed after Apostle John, we would never have the situation with Constantine the Great, or what any of the Church Fathers did. We would not be having revised Bibles, for an Inspired Prophet can simply get everything together accordingly. There would not be a need for denominations or the Anti-Trinitarian vs Trinitarian factions, for a Prophet Inspired would definitely remedied that, essentially a single flock, the spiritual house of the chosen and the followers against the world itself.
This was addressed to you before in a discussion, the distinction between the 2 is noticeable.
These are the notable figures in the 2nd Century, I've already mention the students of Apostle John to @Patiently waiting for Truth - Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp.
 
There's Church Father/Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons, who he himself is a student of Polycarp.   Papias Aristides Barnabas Shepherd of Hermas II Clement Justin Martyr Tatian  Athenagoras Theophilus of Antioch Theodotus of Byzantium
NOTE: Tertullian is 3rd century, however, concerning Polycarp, he attested that Polycarp was appointed by John, hence why he is seen as a student/disciple of John himself. Likewise with Irenaeus, who said the same thing to a similar effect.
None of them were to be seen and or believed to be Prophets Inspired, for if that were the case, as mentioned, The Church would have not been infiltrated and or attacked from the inside out, nor would the events of Constantine, and later, Theodosius, would ever take effect.
The Apostolic Church would have been like that of a Fortress, from then, into Present Day, into Tribulations times and eventually, God's Day which is Near.

About prophesy, none of us should say with "absolute certainty", that prophesy has ceased.  If we do, we have exalted ourselves above the power and ability of the Father.  We are suggesting that we know His plan. 
“Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.” 1 Cor 13:8-10
Has “the perfect” arrived yet?
Have people stopped speaking other “tongues”/languages?
Has knowledge ceased? 
“But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”  Dan 12:4
If the languages still exist, as well as an increase in spiritual knowledge, then why would prophesy, which imparts the knowledge of God, cease?
John the Baptist came ‘in the manner’ of Elijah, prophesying the need for God’s people to repent, to prepare a people for the coming of the Son of Man.  In the last days, another “Elijah” comes to God’s holy people.  This one also “prophesies” the need for them to repent. 
Matt 17:10,11 -  And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming  first and will restore all things. “
Messengers from God receive visions and dreams, to understand the message that they are to impart.  God’s words are put in their mouth.
Num 12:6 - Then He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream.”
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.” Mal 4
“Behold, I send My messenger,
And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek,
Will suddenly come to His temple,
Even the Messenger of the covenant,
In whom you delight.
Behold, He is coming,”
Says the Lord of hosts. Mal 3:1-3
Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”  Rev 11:1-3
“prophesy” - to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
In this case of the “Gentiles” standing in the Temple of God, this is not the Roman army that invaded the literal city and temple in Jerusalem.  This is describing the "man of lawlessness" in the last days, another “Gentile” entity that now “sits” in the Temple dwelling of God – elders who “represent the royal priesthood”.  The message to JWs, to God’s holy priesthood, is to flee if any perceive this abomination. Matt 24:15,16
Never in God’s word, does it condone the replacement of God’s priests. 
So the Lord said to Aaron, “You and your sons and your father's house with you shall bear iniquity connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons with you shall bear iniquity connected with your priesthood.
 And you and your sons with you shall guard your priesthood for all that concerns the altar and that is within the veil; and you shall serve. I give your priesthood as a gift,[a] and any outsider who comes near shall be put to death.”  Num 18:1,7
So, God anoints particular people to be His priests, members of the Body of Christ, and “living stones” of the Temple.  Yet, the elders have boldly replaced them, which transgresses all that the scriptures tell us, about God’s appointed priesthood.  This is why a prophet brings God’s message to His people, in the last days. Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4
Jesus words do not die.  We are judged by his words. (John 12:48)   If there were not to be any more prophets, why would he have said,
"Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward."  Matt 10:41
And why would the apostle Paul mentioned prophets as part of the foundation of the Temple/dwelling of God? Eph 2:20-22
 
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Because everyone can see your reaction whenever it comes up. Only at random you make a spectacle about it when there is no need to.
There was a John Butler II, which was later removed by the Admin, hence why 4Jah2me came to play and the purposely noticeable avoidance of not only being associated with the name, but self talk in 3rd person. For if it never existed before, I would not have brought it up, for I came across it a while back regarding our discussion on a Bible translated term of which you thought only the Watchtower changed on purpose when in reality, there was no Strong's violation - Gridled [up] vs Nakedness.
Acts 2 is in regards to Pentecost, not anything pertaining to after the death of John. The fact you didn't understand what was conveyed showed that for someone who is patiently waiting for truth, makes no effort to understand Scriptures concerning the difference between Prophets Inspired and Prophets Not Inspired.
People prior to John's death were indeed prophets inspired, many of them, however, John was the last of them, the last of the Apostles, and the abelites he and the others have, had ceased - hence my comment regarding Apostle John, who was Exiled in Patmos (1 Corinthians 13:9-11). God's Holy Spirit produced gifts such as visions and the like, an ability John and the others had, hence the gift of prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc. even that of special knowledge, however, these gifts had since passed away, for such has been rendered ineffective; made obsolete, however the early church still had God's backing.
This is even more evident by means of Apostle John's students, noted as Ignatius and Polycarp, what transpired afterwards. John's students were also weaponized by Trinitarians to push the Trinity Doctrine by taking their words out of context, likewise, with Justin Martyr.
That being said, the abelites had since passed away, for a long time now, and should anyone tell you otherwise, or state they have visions, Paul's words comes to mind in Galatians 1:1-11. This isn't the first time I mentioned, this, even to you.
John outlived practically the majority of Apostles also, lived out near the end of the 1st century.
Even Srecko got this wrong - 
That being said, I doubt you'll find anyone who can transfigure themselves and or have visions on the level of an inspired prophet. And I can bank on that with absolute certainty.
It isn't an American thing, the British knows this too, the youth often times meme about it. In reality the term is in relation to yelling, one can only be assertive in a text/comment by word structure. Wise to understand the difference.

Wrong, "real" JWs respect the 8 men as fellow servants. You are the one making them out to be something they are not. The respect as inscribed in scripture is for the weight and responsibility they have before God.
Wrong, that's you take not the truth. Baptism is made before God.
The choice has always been for the individual to serve God properly. You are an example of that choice.
If a person has no Christian conscience such as former witnesses, how can you explain by your choice why you weren't taken over by the GB and Elders? Wouldn't you, in effect, be in control of an institution like a zombie?
I believe there has been ample evidence to show how the Watchtower has dealt with child abuse through the decades. Aside from the notifications to the Elders, there are plenty of Watchtower articles condemning such behavior.
That you have a different agenda to make false claims, then that's on you, and former and present Jehovah's Witnesses here.

'real' JWs serve only those 8 men that call themselves the F&DS.  Their baptism is into the JW Org, they don't even use the words that Yeshua told them to use. They don't pick and chose because they have to do exactly as the GB tells them to do. They have no Christian conscience because it has been 'taken over' by the GB and the Elders. This can be proven by how JWs promote the lies of the GB and the Org.  Not to mention how they hide Pedophiles in the congregations. 

Berean Study Bible Acts 2 : 17
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Or do you think this only referred to the 1st Century disciples / apostles ? 
Do you lack such faith ? 

It was 10 I think. But two points here. 
I have never wanted to lead an organisation, and I've never pretended that I'm inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
BUT your Leaders pretend to know. However as can be seen by many Watchtower articles, it's all HYPE. 
There is as much propaganda from the Watchtower / JW Org as there is from main stream media  

'real' JWs serve only those 8 men that call themselves the F&DS.  Their baptism is into the JW Org, they don't even use the words that Yeshua told them to use. They don't pick and chose because they have to do exactly as the GB tells them to do. They have no Christian conscience because it has been 'taken over' by the GB and the Elders. This can be proven by how JWs promote the lies of the GB and the Org.  Not to mention how they hide Pedophiles in the congregations. 

….. I saw the look of panic and desperation in GB Member Samuel Herd’s eyes as he described the poverty wages he made as a gardener.
 

BECAUSE , If you can convince a significant number of people that you have “special insight”, you can bathe in a river of never ending money.
….. beats having to do lawn work for a living, in July and August!

Then you never understood the book of Daniel!
No, because I'm not an apostate pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness like people here alongside former Jehovah's Witnesses. If you haven't noticed, woeful fools continue to insist for my banishment.
My interest was twofold, one is to correct "all" the misinformation and wrongful representation about scripture and the Watchtower that all you people have had free, reign on for the visitor, and two, how prophetic events work. In this case, when @JW Insider mentioned "he doesn't know" I believe it. He has never known how to interpret scripture other than out of ignorance.
So, my brothers are "real" Jehovah's Witnesses dedicated to obey and serve God through their promise in baptism to dedicate their lives to Jehovah. They don't pick and chose what they like and don't like about scripture or the implementation thereof.
These fools here are nothing like that. It would be an insult to the institution and its members to equate these people with honest and dedicated witnesses. You think that jerk @TrueTomHarley when he made a clownish remark about his status as not being a witness? In his heart he spoke the truth, he knows he isn't. He just likes to make people here, think, otherwise.
What should be funny too @Anna is how much of a joke they really are. 😁

What are you supposedly trying to suggest, don't act like you don't know. That foolishness comes from @JW Insider and @TrueTomHarley and your disfellowshipped fool @Pudgy that these two Jehovah's Witnesses accept over their own brothers.
That ignorance was brought out here as a topic. The Watchtower just like any other religion makes points of interest to people that like to understand scripture.
Since the foolishness is coming from former and present Jehovah's Witnesses, how about you not twist the narrative, and you express your thought on, who you believe spiritual Israel is to the visitor?

In relation to whom or to what ???
If so then there is nothing to discuss about any idea or fiction who could be NK and SK. Or we can continue to discuss about WTJWorg speculative imagination.
Define who spiritual Israel is for you today. After that perhaps i could comment.
 

Sorry no, I didn't say that. Because YHVH did not write anywhere that Russia and the United States are in question. This was stated by interpreters several centuries later after the Bible was already completed in writing.

Yeah.
I read an evolutionist book by Sean Carroll, partly to answer back the atheists who would say I never did. He complains again and again about “evolution denyers,” It was like the pebble in my shoe that over time drives me nuts. How come he can’t spell the word right? He’s been to college & grad school, even has a PhD. Is he doing it just for the sake of ridicule? But that would seem childish.
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/08/sean-carroll-and-the-den-yers.html
 

I immediately see two things wrong with your above analysis.
Number one: if all these people in the “great awakening“ were part of a great awakening and they were all wrong it seems to me like a  “great going to sleep“.
Number two: Clark Kent was not pretending to be Superman……… Superman was pretending to be Clark Kent.
there is a difference.

No, grated the Great Awakening, there were legitimate groups out there with real claims of  something happening on that exact day. This is why I mentioned Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong's fourth and final prediction was a literal one and he gave a date, he was specific, often times, even vague.
A snippet in relation to him, in his case, he gave a description of what would happen
[The beginning of the European broadcast provides the context of a booklet published in 1956 called 1975 in Prophecy! In this book Armstrong put forward a controversial vision of what the world could look like by 1975— featuring illustrations of mass burials and tidal waves destroying cities. Overall he thought that World War III and Christ's glorious return were at the doorstep and that world peace and utopia would follow. Armstrong believed that God had exciting plans for mankind that would see the end of such wars—though the message went far beyond an earthly utopia.]
The problem here is the fact he attested to visions, this is a person, among many, out of the Great Awakening who claim to be a Prophet Inspired, in which such Prophets are capable of having visions like that of those of old, but in reality, such an ability died with the last Apostle, John.
Then you have the Comet Kohoutek situation in which the one who professed this, also claiming to be a Prophet Inspired, said it would happen, 1974, but it did not occur.
Both situations the claim of God's Day was mentioned and was literal, even in the works surrounding these predictions, hence a failed prediction in that era, and in regards to these 2, no speculation at all, granted the literal sense. There were others too, and there were some of which people did not make the claim of God's Day that is to occur, more so, attesting to being vigilant for no one truly knows the day or hour, not even the Son.
The hippies is a story for another day.
  
A superman joke, when someone does not want to reveal themselves so they act different and or pretend they are not the person at all. Clark Kent pretending he isn't Superman towards other people, hence having a mask (his glasses). This is why I addressed this to Mr. Butler concerning his masks remark, which, in this case - backfired.

It was 10 I think. But two points here. 
I have never wanted to lead an organisation, and I've never pretended that I'm inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
BUT your Leaders pretend to know. However as can be seen by many Watchtower articles, it's all HYPE. 
There is as much propaganda from the Watchtower / JW Org as there is from main stream media  

You know exactly what this about. So why you should need to pretend i don't know.  And when this topic comes up, Tom says I'm crying about it. But to be totally removed from the forum without warning, of course I'm going to be concerned next time round. As for john butler II  I think you mentioned, I don't ever remember using that at all. 

It was 10 I think. But two points here. 
I have never wanted to lead an organisation, and I've never pretended that I'm inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
BUT your Leaders pretend to know. However as can be seen by many Watchtower articles, it's all HYPE. 
There is as much propaganda from the Watchtower / JW Org as there is from main stream media