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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    These points were made, as for the claims made pertaining to 1975, it does not make sense because of the verses in question, and that the Commission was not stopped by the Christ. There is a time when the gospel work will stop, clearly, what the others ignore to see, is around the 60s and 70s, and onward, people continue the Great Commission of the gospel preaching concerning the Messianic Age that is to come.
    What also amazes me is they also ignore the fact that even in the Bible, it attest to time being short, even the Devil knows time is short, moreover, Jesus and his followers have mentioned that the End is Near, in Jesus' case, he gave us an idea due to the Signs.
    That being said, the irony also is that there seems to be some who have a slight defense of material gain over zeal for God's Promise.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Because that is your name. John Butler. I always have called you that after deducing who you were when you went by the name 4Jah2me. The mannerisms have not changed.
    I don't hide behind a mask, this is how I am. This is how I speak even.
    If you want to play the mask game, last I checked, you had several accounts/names (John Butler, john butler II; 4Jah2me), pretending you are not who you truly are; you even played the alluding game when asked several times or when someone drew suspicion. You do this more so because of fear for Admin (who isn't as religious, but tolerates us), but he has no reason to take action against you after you learned from your last lesson. At least the other guy isn't too shy about his last tenures or shy away from it, as you do.
    That being said, I can do call backs, so be wise next time before you make a remark. @Pudgy often makes remarks about Superman/Clark Kent and how easily one can deduce who he is, likewise, people can do the same for you, even though you tried to mask it, as seen below here (among MANY examples)
    Seriously, you are not around the age to be playing games like this, and you aren't the first to do such a thing, of which people can deduce and call out.
    But it is the truth - you are John Butler; often Clark Kenting and speaking in 3rd person, as seen in the above example among many. You rarely reaction whenever I refer to you as Mr. Butler, but only now because you tried to play a game of which is easily shot down.
    Biblical Unitarian, at least be specific. I never told you directly, it was only mentioned to you when you assumed I was part of the Interfaith, twice. The other time, you assume I was a Muslim for knowing a bit of history, when I am not.
    I never asked you for dreams, but if that is how roll with whatever weird fantasy you adhere to, I do not care to be part of it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    They even encourage us today to get rid of large mortgages in order to pioneer. Nothing has changed since 1974. 
    If people sold everything and later were sorry it is because they themselves acted irrationally.
    Today - we are still encouraged to scale material things down as much as possible.... yet each one must decide about their situation. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The random ALL CAPs suggests otherwise.
    Short time pertains to why Matthew 24 and 25 as is 1 John 2:17 was even cited, it seems to me you haven't read either chapter, or take in the context of Apostle John's words. Christians are aware that the End is indeed Near, so they make the effort to do what they need to do for The Great Commission itself, which is not uncommon because of the last Great Awakening period in the 60s and 70s. Great Awakenings are of Christian history, by the way, for someone of your age, I guess aside from reading comprehension, history should be added to the list.
    Nowhere in that 1974 article it shows even attests to God's Day. If you simply got that from wicked end, as is ignore not only the verses cited, but the other parts in that same archived article, it shows you are leaning towards the speculative narrative, hence the claim you've adopted by the latter.
    The Bible is clear that time is indeed short. Even the Devil himself knows Time is short, in addition, there is much one can do with the life that God has given them, so if they are dedicated to the Commission, they'll do so, moreover, as already pointed out there were some among them who speculated although the claim of God's Day was never even attested to.
    That being said, the verse is pretty clear - The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
    Lines up with what the Christ says also.
    Lastly, it would not make sense for JWs to even alluded to God's Day because The Commission was still ongoing. As mentioned to @Pudgy if the JWs did exactly as what was mentioned in Matthew 24 concerning 1975, prior to that year they would not be out there at all, hence the context of what Jesus said about the gospel work, it ceasing, and then the end itself actually comes, God's Day. A separation of Sheep and Goat would not even transpire such a short time either.
    Of course, for some speculated from the things they heard, came to their own conclusions.
    Not all of them believed God's Day to occur on 1975, only those who speculated, hence why the human error remark was addressed later on, as is the mention of arguments among the JW faith.
    Gospel preaching zeal for all faiths around the 60s and 70s was high, hence Great Awakening, the fourth and final one. All of these Awakenings, the Christian zeal is lit up like a fire for a period of years.
    Not everyone, as for the latter statement one can assume; the job market isn't as bad in the 60s-80s compared to the mid-90s to now.
    Matthew 24 and 25, 1 John 2:17 with all references. As is all followers of the Christ even attest to the little time we have. This isn't something new or outlandish, therefore, time is indeed short.
    We can see that, but nothing in there attest to God's Day legitimately being 1975, and the other factor that disqualifies that is people were still adhering to the Commission, for Jesus is the one who will give word to cease prior to End Time Tribulations, and evidently, his return, marking God's Day.
    The irony here is everyone, although the differences, tend to alluded to the word of Christ concerning God's Word, and all of a sudden, it becomes irrelevant for a known reason, the reason is obvious.
    Don't even know the term. What makes this remark more laughable because last I checked, the LGBTQ community duped you easily with an NYT article.
    And yes, I don't mind doing a call back for that one concerning your defense.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Did you not say (about 2 years ago) that you expect the end within 5 years? Or was it 10? (I think it was 5, leaving you only 3 for wiggle room.
    Yeah, it’s called not knowing the immediate future.
    But when Quinn the true Eskimo gets here everybody’s gonna want a dose.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from JW Insider in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Quite funny that you like to use my name but you hide behind a 'mask'. 
    Oh well whatever gives you that little satisfaction SM. 
    And I'm sure you told me that you are a Unitarian, don't think I dreamt it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    As a Christian I will keep calm here. BUT That article from a May 1974 Kingdom Ministry IS encouraging people to sell their houses and give up their 'lifestyle' to pioneer BECAUSE of the so called 'short time remaining' before Armageddon.
    It was all hype. And if they did not believe that Armageddon would happen in 1975, then why were they encouraging this irresponsible behavior of their congregants. When it didn't happen many people found themselves in a bad position without jobs or money to live on. 
    "Short time remaining" , "Short time left" "The end of this system is so very near" 
    Direct quotes from that article. and that was written in 1974. 
    Truther ? I think not. Denier more like. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    As a Christian I will keep calm here. BUT That article from a May 1974 Kingdom Ministry IS encouraging people to sell their houses and give up their 'lifestyle' to pioneer BECAUSE of the so called 'short time remaining' before Armageddon.
    It was all hype. And if they did not believe that Armageddon would happen in 1975, then why were they encouraging this irresponsible behavior of their congregants. When it didn't happen many people found themselves in a bad position without jobs or money to live on. 
    "Short time remaining" , "Short time left" "The end of this system is so very near" 
    Direct quotes from that article. and that was written in 1974. 
    Truther ? I think not. Denier more like. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Quite funny that you like to use my name but you hide behind a 'mask'. 
    Oh well whatever gives you that little satisfaction SM. 
    And I'm sure you told me that you are a Unitarian, don't think I dreamt it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    I think it makes the one whom blocks others very narrow minded.  If you consider every comment form a person as garbage then you are narrow minded. Even idiots such as me can say something useful sometimes  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    This 'thread' and in fact this forum in dominated by Amercian thinking. 
    Revelation states that Yeshua made it possible for people of ALL nations to be Chosen. 
    The GB don't want that, and the GB have told those other Anointed not to meet together. 
    Surely as world events unfold then ALL of the Anointed Remnant should be in contact with each other.
    Rather than rely on 'worldly' news, surely the Anointed remnant shoud be guiding God's people. 
    But you people are more interested in two things. 1. Serving the GB and it's Org. 2. Being involved with this political world. 
    Indeed, By their works one will know them. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    The GB are the ones that say only they are the Faithful and Discreet slave.
    And the GB say that YHWH and Yeshua trust the GB.  
    The GB also strictly advise all other Anointed ones NOT TO MEET TOGETHER. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Quite funny that you like to use my name but you hide behind a 'mask'. 
    Oh well whatever gives you that little satisfaction SM. 
    And I'm sure you told me that you are a Unitarian, don't think I dreamt it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    There is no EXJW community. There ARE EX JWs.   
    community a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common. "Montreal's Italian community" . the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common. "the sense of community that organized religion can provide"   The only thing EX JWs have in common is that they are Ex JWS.  BUT Ex JWs ARE Ex JWs for many different reason and therefore have different attitudes, feelings, thoughts and deeds.  I TELL YOU THE TRUTH I AM NOT PART OF ANY COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH YOU JWs WANT TO PRETEND I AM.    SM seems to need to place me in some fake 'group' now and he says he's a Truther. Nothing truthful about lumping a person into a fake group.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    As a Christian I will keep calm here. BUT That article from a May 1974 Kingdom Ministry IS encouraging people to sell their houses and give up their 'lifestyle' to pioneer BECAUSE of the so called 'short time remaining' before Armageddon.
    It was all hype. And if they did not believe that Armageddon would happen in 1975, then why were they encouraging this irresponsible behavior of their congregants. When it didn't happen many people found themselves in a bad position without jobs or money to live on. 
    "Short time remaining" , "Short time left" "The end of this system is so very near" 
    Direct quotes from that article. and that was written in 1974. 
    Truther ? I think not. Denier more like. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    As a Christian I will keep calm here. BUT That article from a May 1974 Kingdom Ministry IS encouraging people to sell their houses and give up their 'lifestyle' to pioneer BECAUSE of the so called 'short time remaining' before Armageddon.
    It was all hype. And if they did not believe that Armageddon would happen in 1975, then why were they encouraging this irresponsible behavior of their congregants. When it didn't happen many people found themselves in a bad position without jobs or money to live on. 
    "Short time remaining" , "Short time left" "The end of this system is so very near" 
    Direct quotes from that article. and that was written in 1974. 
    Truther ? I think not. Denier more like. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth John - You are a former Witness of your former faith and often times there has been some things you have posted from said community.
    If you are saying this now, the many times in the past as to when it was coined, you would have said the same thing.
    Sure, because I am not going to believe a claim based off of speculation as some have.
    Ironic from the man who was swept away by the New York Times.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    No mention of "apostates" here. 
    How you treat pagan or tax collector?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    When you recite scripture, whose words are you using? I really like to know.
    Why do you, and why do you quote from it? Does this mean you're a "Pearlite" every time you quote her? If she misuses scripture, then what are you people worshiping and serving if not your own self-interest?
    Christians you're not, that's clear enough with your behavior, what's left? Mormon, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Magic?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    You hold a mistaken view. While outsiders can be seen as ignorant to God's truth, former Jehovah's Witnesses learned that truth. Therefore, two different issues.
    2 Peter 2:21 (BBE) For it would have been better for them to have had no knowledge of the way of righteousness, than to go back again from the holy law which was given to them, after having knowledge of it.
    Scripture also stipulated how those people should be views, as in Matthew. Wasn't a tax collector viewed with great disapproval? Remember, the context is the sins of a brother.

    NIV Matt 18:15-17
    15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'  17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 
    Therefore, apostates need to prove themselves more worthy under God than how they started under ignorance.
    Only because you are weighing in with a foolish heart. That is more absurd to God.
     
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