Patiently waiting for Truth

Um, so now it's JWs that can invite people into the New World. And there I was thinking it is Jesus Christ that does the judging. Silly me, of course not, it is only JWs that have been given the authority that Jesus spoke of having. 
Go careful Rambo. You too will be judged. Luke 17 : 1 & 2 
 

Wow, 7 pages of arguing between people that say they are Christians. 
No I didn't read it all. 
Dimmy and others have mentioned Visitors to this forum. I'm sure any visitor would easily note that this is not a true Christian forum.  
I don't know if this link will be of interest to anyone 
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80008/pastor-russell-colored-friends
I don't know if this article is saying that BS - JWs expected black people to turn white once they had learnt the JW way of life. 

Maybe 2013, when the GB said via the Watchtower that only THEY, the GB, are the Faithful and Discreet slave class.
Prior to that all anointed were 'said to be' the F&DS. So is can been seen that in 2013 the GB exaulted themselves above all mankind by pretending to be the only spokesperson for God. 

Maybe 2013, when the GB said via the Watchtower that only THEY, the GB, are the Faithful and Discreet slave class.
Prior to that all anointed were 'said to be' the F&DS. So is can been seen that in 2013 the GB exaulted themselves above all mankind by pretending to be the only spokesperson for God. 

Maybe 2013, when the GB said via the Watchtower that only THEY, the GB, are the Faithful and Discreet slave class.
Prior to that all anointed were 'said to be' the F&DS. So is can been seen that in 2013 the GB exaulted themselves above all mankind by pretending to be the only spokesperson for God. 

Wow, 7 pages of arguing between people that say they are Christians. 
No I didn't read it all. 
Dimmy and others have mentioned Visitors to this forum. I'm sure any visitor would easily note that this is not a true Christian forum.  
I don't know if this link will be of interest to anyone 
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80008/pastor-russell-colored-friends
I don't know if this article is saying that BS - JWs expected black people to turn white once they had learnt the JW way of life. 

Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God.  It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired".  (Rev 13:15)   All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB.  When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation.  His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them.  
he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness.  Since that comparison is made, then all of  Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.   

I know what you had say about BS and JW at that era.
You actually expressed your opinion in which you justify the segregation of that time which was the norm of behavior for BS and JW (in America) of that time.
Can you provide evidence from WT publications from those period of time where they condemning racism and / or justifying segregation? Which WT publication from that time says that one should listen to Caesar more than God in matter of racism and segregation?
Do you suggest how BS/JW  out of fear of men, knowingly violated God's norm that all men are equal before Him?

You justify other people's actions nicely. So, can one act unethically, morally questionable, or even unjustly because “unbelieving” people and (one other kind of Christians) Bible Students and later JWs lived in a time period when racism (or anything else) was the norm?
The norm of behavior in different time periods of history and the present does not coincide with the interpretations of some norms we find in the doctrines of different religious communities before or now.
This only confirms that the manifestation of religious beliefs can be manifested in at least two ways. Consistent and fanatical adherence to doctrines at the cost of ridicule, rejection, persecution and even death , to the point that compromises are made in order not to experience condemnation from the environment and society, under the pretext that it is okay because God does not ask for more. 
(society required them to do so + kept neutrality and adhere to secular laws and customs.)
In some of the behaviors of JW members, it was clear that the neutrality they displayed was not related to obedience to the laws and customs of society.

What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  
"If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 
"Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20
This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  
"One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9
 
 
 
 
 

This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?
Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?
With this assumption you just made, can I have Pearl Doxsey's home address, phone number, social security number, DOB, etc.?
I assume, since personal data is a stumbling block to the 4Woman Group, you have that info.
Or are you going to renege and refuse to give me the information I'm asking for? If so, Why?
Do you have a database of all former Jehovah's Witnesses, or how about the database of the Vatican that you can share, since you OBJECT to private information held by ANY institution?
I must warn you, in the USA, it's against secular law to make such a breach of private information. But, I'm confident with your resolve, you won't mind spending 10 years in prison. Even for people convicted of murder. So, can I have that info? For internet access, it's called HACKING when someone obtains confidential or private information. They will give any person up to 30 years.
Maybe you, @Patiently waiting for Truth and all other former Jehovah's Witnesses, can band together and enjoy a good prison sentence for the greater good. 
That way we can finally have dirt on people that have fornicated, committed adultery, have homosexual tendencies, spousal abuse, have past convictions of rubbery, arson, assault, etc. Once again, your imprisonment would be for the greater to obtain certain information that is NONE of your business according to the bible 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 and secular law.
Also, reference, John 21:20-22, Romans 14:4, 1 Peter 4:15
Now information that secular authority contends is for public safety, then you need to reference secular authority protocols, like finding the information of a person placed on probation for child porn. In the USA, States determine how certain information is given. For sex offenders, a database is collected and posted. With your argument, that database would be problematic for you.
Ironically, being placed on probation for CHILD PORN is NOT considered good enough to be placed in a sex offender database in some States. 

The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...
 
 
Would you like to be a Survivor of the Last Days? "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here." (2 Timothy 3:1) The Last Days (pangs of distress) do not last for an exhaustive period of time but do have an ending to them. It's an allotment period of time of 120 years, like the Days of Noah. This allotment is a Conclusion of a System of things.
As Christ Millennial approaches, we will soon bring an end to our Preaching Work to those associated with (2 Timothy 3:1-5) for the end of an Age has come. It's not the end of the world but rather the End of An Age of Wickedness.
"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) "... and from these turn away." (2 Timothy 3:5) Our Preaching Work does not come to end as a whole, but rather the preaching work comes to an end for those who are wicked. Those whom are Survivors of the End of the Last Days (a conclusion of a system of things) will have a satisfying work ahead of them during Christ's Millennial Reign, continuing Progressive Bible Studies that we currently have. Now those who were counted wicked and died the second death before Christ Millineial Reign began as far back as to Adam and Eve have no resurrection, they are dead forever. Therefore, once the Last Days have concluded, the living who failed to turn around and repent will have been counted Wicked during the Last Days without knowing it, they too return back to the dust. Then as we make the Earth into a Paradise, our preaching work will become more of a teaching work to the righteous and unrighteous who are resurrected on the earth.
Jehovah's Witnesses warmly invite newly interested ones into the New World that is now coming about. Please visit our wonderful website @ JW.org to learn how to become a Survivor of the Last Days. "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3)

Dear old Dimmy is at it again. Questions not for the sake of truth but just for the sake of causing disagreement. 
Dimmy, I am no part of that world you keep comparing everything to. 
You keep up the same old same old, it gets sooooooooooo repetitive. 
The JW Org consists of people that worship 8 men and worship that Organisaton. Therefore those people are supporting the immoral, dishonest, greedy, wicked, GB and it's Org. 

Yes it's true. and we can now see how evil the GB and their helpers are. 
  Srecko Sostar said:      GB+Helpers+Writing department fall under that category too? Dimmy replied.  No, They know what they're doing.
Yes Dimmy, the GB et al, do know what they are doing, hence they will probably not 'enter their promised land'. 
A wicked slave is what they have become. 
 

The people led by God's Holy Spirit should be the spiritual JEW, which is ONLY the TRUE ANOINTED ONES.
The Watchtower seems to have none of them. The JW Org seems to have none of them either.
Do you keep forgetting that scripture about 'Ten men clinging to the robe of a JEW' 
The 'ten men' are the earthly class. The JEW is the True Anointed ones. 
The Governing Body of the W/t - JW Org are not of that True Anointing. By their works you will know them. 
If they ever were of the Anointed, they have certainly thrown it all away just as Adam threw away life. 

Oh no not that broken record again. More false predictions from the Rambo dreamer, that thinks he gets special info' from somewhere.
On the one hand he pretend to be a JW but then on the other hand he make his own predictions. I think he needs better meds. 

What to expect? You can expect a ton of persons to become immediately interested in the Bible, once we stop offering New Bible Studies. The time to think about it a little longer will have come to its end. "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)
Jesus in private told his disciples, "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37-39)
Notice Jesus compared the days of Noah to his Presence, they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away. Therefore, we can conclude that both Prophecies are 'timed events'. Time and again Jesus kept reminding his disciples just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. How long were the days of Noah? Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3)
"Jehovah will cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you. They will attack you from one direction, but they will flee from you in seven different directions.  Jehovah will decree for you a blessing on your storehouses and every undertaking of yours, and he will certainly bless you in the land that Jehovah your God is giving you.  Jehovah will establish you as a holy people to himself, just as he swore to you, because you continue to keep the commandments of Jehovah your God and walk in his ways.  All the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you." (Deuteronomy 28:7-10)
Read more...

Mankind has had faith all this time. That is why we are now in the era of the Internet and virtual reality, among other things (with faith in God and with faith in people).
Copies of the copies have been found and we have been using them for a long time. What if those saved and found copies are the ones with errors (accidental or intentional) in copying?
If we believe that the writing of the original text was inspired by God, that is one thing.
But no copyist of the first copy until the last copy was inspired to copy. What is not inspired automatically implies the occurrence of an error.

I can agree. And you should agree that this is about believing in multiple factors. Faith in those who wrote. Faith in those who made copies. Faith in those who found copies of copies. Faith in those who interpret copies of copies............Faith in a God who allows deception to happen.
 

You probably won’t turn into a pillar of salt, just as you won’t die in Armageddon if you disobey GB. 

I am of the opinion that "truth" is discernible through several (and more) possibilities; Through believing in the one who speaks to us. Through the meaning and logic of what was said. Through determining the credibility of what was said. Through factual examination. By assuming that something is possible for which accuracy or inaccuracy cannot be established. Or all this and something else about proving, is left to others to decide for us, so we accept without much need to be suspicious.
Genesis chapter 3:
 
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
What is a lie here?
Do we know anything about the possible fact that YHVH may have told the angels that they (angels) would die if they disobeyed him, God? Was there a "Tree" for angels in the heaven?
If we assume something like this, because angels are only slightly "bigger (higher)" than humans, so the "free will" test could be valid for them as well. If the devil "ate the fruit of the tree in the heavenly paradise" and did not die because of it, then his claim to Eve that neither she nor Adam would die was merely an experiential claim based on the current situation or current state of the rebellious angel. 
Then his claim was not a lie, but only a product of his experience, and that is, that he as a rebel was not punished by death, so he "assumed" that neither Adam and Eve would die violating the same kind of prohibition.
Moreover, the second part of his (devil) statement that Adam and Eve would become gods and know what good and evil are proved to be completely true, because YHVH himself said exactly the same thing when he said:
22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 
Pilate's question; “What is true (truth)”, was a good question.
 

As usual, Dimitar, your understanding is agenda driven, and demonstratively faulty.
Charles Taze Russel was not speaking favorably about Satan …. He was speaking favorably about TRUTH.
Scanned copies of the first issue of the Watchtower are almost instantly available on the Internet. If memory serves, the article title is “What Is Truth?”.
As usual, you gave your disassociative diatribe BEFORE you read the article, and as usual were wrong and blusterous.
You could at least TRY to be funny. Occasionally that in itself is  inadvertently funny.
If sad and pathetic is what you were looking for ….. you NAILED it!
 

I wonder if @Pudgy would submit the very first article from Pastor Russell that indicates if Satan tells the truth, it's still the truth.
It seems Pastor Russell's take of Satan is of conning and a liar, which most of the Bible Students publications indicate. Therefore, Satan manipulation of a weak mind can be successful by pretending to speak truth for the wrong reason.
That in itself can be found here.
A147] [Plain]
Among the greatest of the blinding influences which Satan has devised to keep men in ignorance of the truth regarding the judgment day have been the errors which have crept into the creeds and hymn books of the various religious sects....
A250] [Plain]
Satan has continually taken advantage of man's weaknesses, made good to appear evil, and evil to appear good; and he has misrepresented God's character and plans and blinded men to the truth. …
[R1410:page180]  [Plain]
Satan achieves no greater triumph than when he seduces a soul which was once enlightened and sanctified by the truth; and the influence of such a one for evil is more than doubled...
I don't see any positive attributes to Pastor Russell's words in favor of Satan. Funny how @JW Insider doesn't quickly "demand" a clarification on this matter like he does with me. But then again, I'm not part of the Jehovah's Witnesses and former Jehovah's Witnesses, the in crowd here.

The remark about Gun bunkers came forth from the debate (with multiple subjects for the latter loves to deviate) with Srecko and Witness, evidence to what is true/false is noted in the source presented in the pervious page. Witness made several claims in regards to JWs and the WT using sources such as Rick Fearon and Zelda and a list of ExJW information, however, what she did not realize is not all ExJWs are disgruntled, resulting in some being aware of any knowledge in Funds and other things to speak up against the people of their own community. This also brought forth the notation of the Watchtower somehow being owners of companies that are essentially into military weapons dealings (as is a gaming company and women's lingerie in which some believe they own)
Witness was challenged on this, and all her conspiratorial claims were proven false. In the same source, she attempted to allude the idea that JWs have connection to a Democratic party members, however, this was also false because it is alluded it was actually Fearon who probably held some Leftist backing, to which some believe this to be the case after doing some research. Then Srecko hopped in and made a fool of himself in the process.
In regards to @Dmitar who believes guests are not aware, in that same source, guests were interacting in that same discussion, and saw both Witness and Srecko's claims to not only be problematic, but false, mainly due to the fact the most powerful source in that thread was from an ExJW who challenged disgruntled ExJWs on Economics, money and bonds. Even much later, Witness attempted this again using a redittor associated with Smurf Girl, a conspiracy theorist, once again attempting to link JWs to a Democratic candidate for the Senate this time, Raphael Warnock (D) is an American pastor and politician serving as senior pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church. In Witness' claim, anything that had the term "Watchtower" she automatically assume it is associated with JWs, however, this is false, God forbid if she connects the WT to DC Comics who also uses the term. Then there is the situation with Newscorp, prior to the Redress Scheme, something I believe you are familiar with, whereas you, Witness, and Srecko were fooled by an Alt-Right media source with information that has nothing to do with the WT in order to draw in readers and clicks for the Redress situation in Australia, which as of recent, is a broken country where CSA is highly problematic now.
This is why I take issue with the MSM, they obscure things, even now, they beat the drums of war, of which was predicted by most for several years, hence the actions of the Guardian, NYT, Atlantic, CNN, MSNBC, etc. - The paradigm is a joke.
I already know Rook and James are one in the same, as is the other.
You seem to miss the plot. James does not house weapons under the churches of JWs, as mentioned earlier, this narrative was from Witness' source. These weapons, even poison, etc are alleged to be used for mass killings, and self harm. These Fearon types profess such these ideas and some made videos in the EXJW community. For instance, Anna, Arauna, and JWI are JWs, will they commit mass murder with weapons and poison because no one would accept the Bible's message? No. Do they side with the military in highly danger weapon grades? No. Would they commit to self harm as some ExJWs believe they would that equal to the level of the events of Jim Jones? No. Do the leaders of the JW faith attest to wiping themselves and or their enemies out on a Holy War-sque path? No.
Even the guests saw this is a great falsehood being professed from both Witness and Srecko, who tried to defend her.
James is very familiar with the notation of bearing arms, as is the 2nd amendment, so much so I remember talking to him about self defense, however, James isn't the type to go down an extremist/terrorist route, nor is this the intent of any JW present, no matter how most EXJWS fuel such an idea, which can be dangerous. In one thread not only we mentioned how to better protect children, but with the inclusion of self-defense, this was discussed.
This is why both Srecko and Witness were very wrong for attempting to protect a man/group (in Srecko's case, defend Witness on this) who advocate for such a nonsensical idea. What is ironic that even some disgruntled ones find Rick Fearon to be insane, more so of his actions.
The below is just a snippet of that, my response to Witness...
 
 
The issue is Guns, weapons, and poisons, bunkered inside and under JW churches, a claim proven to be false. Let alone the mass murder idea.
Firearms are legal in the United States, it is constitutional, the second amendment, right to bare arms, etc.
In James' case, in his own thread he mentioned good guys with guns.

James' discussion on the matter was a grounded one via example, in which everyone was engaged, both guests, even Admin, made remarks.
This was one of several.
 
Witness and Srecko were already debated on this, the source is in one of my responses in regards to JW and money on this thread. Sadly, Witness has turned herself into Lisa Haven, and Srecko, a White Knight of Haven.

THIS IS SO FUNNY when considering the actions of many Elders who act on instruction from the GB. 
The CSA cases that prove how the Elders hid Pedophiles in the congregations. And how those Elders threatened to d/fed anyone that made known the disgusting things of the ORG.