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Tell that to the CSA victims and those d/fed just because the Elders didn't like them. 
But then you think that war is ok in God's eyes, and that boasting about having a houseful of guns is good. Remember James, we know who you are and your past remarks. 
So, you serve this idol and it's 8 Leaders. And you believe that God and Christ approve of them telling lies and treading on the True Anointed ones.  You believe that God and Christ approve of false teachings do you ? 
So tell me, why would God and Christ want people to be stumbled by these wicked men ? 
Why, in these last days, when faith is so important, would God and Christ want the truth deliberately hidden ?
You seem to believe that GB when they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet slave. Well you must believe them if you write that the W/t are 'God's people'. 
But then you also love guns and you believe that war is ok with God. I don't think I will rely on your judgement any time soon. 
Remember James, those sharks you mention, there are just as many of them inside that fake Ark as there are outside. 

Tell that to the CSA victims and those d/fed just because the Elders didn't like them. 
But then you think that war is ok in God's eyes, and that boasting about having a houseful of guns is good. Remember James, we know who you are and your past remarks. 
So, you serve this idol and it's 8 Leaders. And you believe that God and Christ approve of them telling lies and treading on the True Anointed ones.  You believe that God and Christ approve of false teachings do you ? 
So tell me, why would God and Christ want people to be stumbled by these wicked men ? 
Why, in these last days, when faith is so important, would God and Christ want the truth deliberately hidden ?
You seem to believe that GB when they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet slave. Well you must believe them if you write that the W/t are 'God's people'. 
But then you also love guns and you believe that war is ok with God. I don't think I will rely on your judgement any time soon. 
Remember James, those sharks you mention, there are just as many of them inside that fake Ark as there are outside. 

Tell that to the CSA victims and those d/fed just because the Elders didn't like them. 
But then you think that war is ok in God's eyes, and that boasting about having a houseful of guns is good. Remember James, we know who you are and your past remarks. 
So, you serve this idol and it's 8 Leaders. And you believe that God and Christ approve of them telling lies and treading on the True Anointed ones.  You believe that God and Christ approve of false teachings do you ? 
So tell me, why would God and Christ want people to be stumbled by these wicked men ? 
Why, in these last days, when faith is so important, would God and Christ want the truth deliberately hidden ?
You seem to believe that GB when they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet slave. Well you must believe them if you write that the W/t are 'God's people'. 
But then you also love guns and you believe that war is ok with God. I don't think I will rely on your judgement any time soon. 
Remember James, those sharks you mention, there are just as many of them inside that fake Ark as there are outside. 

THIS IS SO FUNNY when considering the actions of many Elders who act on instruction from the GB. 
The CSA cases that prove how the Elders hid Pedophiles in the congregations. And how those Elders threatened to d/fed anyone that made known the disgusting things of the ORG. 

Think back a while. The discussion between James (who seems to be Pudgy ) and Billy the Kid.
They were both boasting about their hoard of weapons that they owned. James even mentioned at one point that he would use a weapon to defend his family. James also seems to believe that war is ok in God's eyes. 
It is possible that many American JWs have guns in their household as it is legal in the USA. 
As for proof of what I've written, I know that you are much better at finding these things for reference. 

Tell that to the CSA victims and those d/fed just because the Elders didn't like them. 
But then you think that war is ok in God's eyes, and that boasting about having a houseful of guns is good. Remember James, we know who you are and your past remarks. 
So, you serve this idol and it's 8 Leaders. And you believe that God and Christ approve of them telling lies and treading on the True Anointed ones.  You believe that God and Christ approve of false teachings do you ? 
So tell me, why would God and Christ want people to be stumbled by these wicked men ? 
Why, in these last days, when faith is so important, would God and Christ want the truth deliberately hidden ?
You seem to believe that GB when they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet slave. Well you must believe them if you write that the W/t are 'God's people'. 
But then you also love guns and you believe that war is ok with God. I don't think I will rely on your judgement any time soon. 
Remember James, those sharks you mention, there are just as many of them inside that fake Ark as there are outside. 

Think back a while. The discussion between James (who seems to be Pudgy ) and Billy the Kid.
They were both boasting about their hoard of weapons that they owned. James even mentioned at one point that he would use a weapon to defend his family. James also seems to believe that war is ok in God's eyes. 
It is possible that many American JWs have guns in their household as it is legal in the USA. 
As for proof of what I've written, I know that you are much better at finding these things for reference. 

Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
 

In the very first issue of the watchtower magazine there was an article written by Russell under the initials CTR where and he stated with perfect logic and reasoning that if Satan himself tells you the truth, it’s still the truth.
I suppose it’s like the Nazis used to torture people for medical experiments and produced an ethical problem because some of this research that they did turned out to produce extremely valuable medical information.
do you not use it to save lives, because of its source?
The development of the atomic bomb and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed perhaps a half-million people, men, women, children, and animals but the knowledge received from learning to work with radiation even though gained with the spending of the souls of these people has resulted in medical practices that in the last 70 years has saved hundreds of times of more people than were killed in war. …. . On all sides, by everyone involved.
Using the combat experience gained in the battles on Okinawa and other Pacific islands it was estimated that the invasion of Japan to destroy their war capability would’ve cost 1 million Allied lives, and 4 million Japanese lives just in the military.
The military made enough purple hearts to cover these expected combat casualties and they were not used, and these medals which celebrate that the enemy can’t shoot very well are still being used today for combat casualties, those that are wounded.
So the fact that someone gets the truth from an apostate site, that is impossible to get from jw.org it’s not a bad thing…… It’s the only thing there is.
Or, you could wallow in ignorance and base your life on prepared Pablum, and have it spoonfed to you like any baby.
I see the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as God’s people, in spite of themselves.
Because all organized religion is a snare and a racket when they start accumulating real estate it appears there are no exceptions.
But because the Ark of Jehovah’s Witnesses is riddled with holes does not mean it’s better outside where the sharks swim.
It does provide some protection that you cannot get elsewhere, all things considered.

But the Pope says he is selected by God. Archbishops say they are selected by God. And you say that no one should question those selected by God. You would say that no one should judge those selected by God. 
So, wow, every religion, in your eyes, has someone sellected by God  
So how do you decide who you think is really selected by God ? 
From my viewpoint it is 'By their works you will know them'. And the works of Watchtower / JW Org Leaders are not good.  
 

I have used YHVH, YHWH, and Yahweh.    
No.  
 
I already outlined the role of the spiritual priesthood under Christ.  The elder "priesthood" is an evil dichotomy transgressing the laws of God.

Zech. 10:2 – “For the household gods utter nonsense, and the diviners see lies; they tell false dreams and give empty consolation. Therefore the people wander like sheep; they are afflicted for lack of a shepherd.”
The term “household gods” refers to the Hebrew word “teraphim”, which means “healer”, a family idol, an image.  Teraphim could be rather large and in the shape of a human. They were consulted in divination, and derived from a root word meaning, “comfort”; thus, the teraphim god was a “giver of comfort”. (Gen 31:19; 1 Sam 19:13; Judges 17:5; 18-20; Hos 3:4,5)
Their role with the “diviners” of Zech 10:2 can be seen in Ezek. 21:21 -
“For the king of Babylon stands at the fork of the road at the head of the two roads to practice divination. He shakes the arrows, he inquires with the teraphim, he sees with the liver..” 
(Diviner - “one who pretends to predict events”, “false prophets of Israel”  - Micah 3:6)
Consider if you will, the elder body. Can they be symbolically viewed as the teraphim – as gods?  It is stressed in the organization that congregation elders provide “spiritual support and comfort” and are “protectors of the flock”.  They are the governing leader’s “Helpers” whom they consult with, through the writing committee and many other committees that are part of the organization. 
Jesus had asked the question in John 10:34-36, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”
He is quoting from Ps 82:6 - I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.”
As “sons of the Most High”, God’s holy people, the anointed priesthood, are “gods”. 
Gal 3:26 – “or through faith you are all sons of God in Christ Jesus.”
They form, as priestly “living stones”, the spiritual house, the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19; Eph 2:20-22)
God’s early priests were to teach the people His instructions. (Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7)
Since the advent of Jesus Christ - the High Priest and chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple -  God’s chosen priests are given a token of spiritual understanding, with God’s laws written on their heart. (Matt 13:12; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Heb 8:10,1,2; 10:19-22)  
They must teach the word of God to all, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9)
To his faithful priests who walk in his path upholding his truths, Jesus gives “hidden manna”. (Luke 9:23; Matt 4:4; John 17:17; 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:7,17,18)
Yes, those to whom Christ gives hidden manna, take in the power of eternal life, through the spirit and it's seed placed within them (1 Pet 1:23; Rom 8:9). It then dwells within them (Luke 8:8,15).
They have authority to give it to yet others who receive them. They become messengers (Greek: "angels") of heavenly bread (Mal.2:7; 1Cor.4:1)
(John6:51,55; 1Cor.12:27; 10:17; John1:51)
and of living water (John7:38; Rev.22:17,1,2; Jer.17:7,8; Ps.1:3; Prov.11:28; Isa.61:3; Eze.47:12; John15:16,8; 14:12,13; Gen.22:15,18; Gal.3:29)
 (John7:38; Luke6:45,44; Matt.7:20).
Possessing the power to impart eternal life...."gods", indeed!
Pearl Doxsey 
Can the “uncircumcised” elder body, fit this description? (Ezek 44:7,9)  No.  The organization loosely uses the term, “God’s house” to define not only its physical “Bethel”, its kingdom halls, and various buildings, but also its people.  It has removed the distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous, the clean and the unclean, by allowing a “Gentile” elder body to replace God’s priests.  (Num 3:10;18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2)   These men are false “gods”/false priests of a greater idol.  While the anointed are to represent the image of God’s Temple and dwelling of His Spirit (1 Cor 3:16), the elders represent the image of “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”.  (Rev 13:14-17)
The scriptures refer to teraphim as an abomination. (1 Kings 23:24) 
 To correlate this abomination as “gods” within God’s sanctuary, the word “abomination” in Matt 24:15, is translated as,
“a foul thing, a detestable thing, of idols and things pertaining to idolatry.”
Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
The abomination certainly is the elder body “standing in” or stationed unofficially, as ‘representatives’ of the royal priesthood…becoming its own priesthood, and firmly establishing its power and false authority over the holy place”/Temple of God. (Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Being granted that role by the wicked slave/governing leaders, has resulted in the removal of the priestly “daily sacrifice” and the trampling of the “living stones” of God’s Temple.  (Dan 8:11-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-4) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3BDan+8%3A11-13%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+9%3A1-4&version=NKJV
In 2 Kings 23:24, the household gods and “all abominations” were removed by King Josiah “in order to establish the words of the law written on the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the temple of YHVH.”  The anointed today, have been silenced in the organization.  Under the presence of the “abomination”, the laws of God written on the anointed heart are rejected for the laws of men. (2 Kings 17:7,8; Ps 10:13; Amos 2:4)  Christ’s teachings are either polluted or ignored. (Dan 8:12; Matt 5:17-19; Mark 7:7,8; John 12:47-48; Gal 1:11,12) 
It is an outright lie, that the organization carries God’s blessing and is inhabited by His Spirit, when His laws are blasphemed by the “abomination standing in the holy place”. (2 Chron 7:19-21; Jer 7:11,15; 1 Cor 3:17; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rev 14:9-11)
The priesthood has been ordered by the governing leaders to remain distinctly separate from one another. This too is blasphemy, and sadly the anointed have been fooled into believing it is a decree coming from God.  (Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 1,2,7,8,11) (Mark 13:2; 1 Cor 12:25-27; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-15; Mal 2:9)
“The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.”  Dan 11:36-38
The Hebrew word for “fortresses” means a place of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold.  For JWs, the organization is perceived as such; a refuge and place of spiritual protection, but also each elder is said to reflect these qualities. 
Yes, I believe the characteristics of the teraphim can be compared to the Body of Elders, the “abomination”, replacing God’s priesthood and blaspheming His spiritual Temple. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7)
Elders are the assumed spiritual “healers” and are consulted for protection, comfort and guidance, in conjunction with the “diviners”, or the false prophets/ governing leaders. (Matt 7:15; 24:24; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 13:11,15)
 
Knowing these things (about the identity of the "gods")
helps us to interpret prophecy accurately, such as 2 Thess 2:4....

"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called god or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God**."

Although we were taught while within the "Watchtower", that this "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3,4) pertains to "Christendom";
We now see that this is an identity that actually comes to dominate the authentic anointed.... the genuine priests of "God's temple" (1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:10).
This is in harmony with so many scriptures that speak about the final condition of the anointed while being trampled by Gentiles ("man of lawlessness")
(Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7; Isa 5:5; 63:18; Dan 8:13; Rev 11:2).
 Who are the "gods"?
 
 
 
 
 
 

Some people imagine they have an idea when it's just the eggs hatching in their brains.

Huh?

I wonder if that includes a clueless hot dog!
Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the Lord hath dealt bountifully with thee. Psalm 116:7
THE Christian's habit of thought has much indeed to do with his spiritual progress or retrogression, as it is also an index of his spiritual state; and good habits of thought need to be carefully cultivated. By "habit of thought" we mean that normal condition to which the mind habitually returns in the moments of mental leisure. While engaged in the active duties of life we must of necessity bend our mental energies to the work in hand, for if we do anything merely mechanically and without concentrating thought upon it we cannot do it well; yet even here Christian principle, well established in the character, will unconsciously guide. But when the strain of labor and care are lifted for a time, the established habit of thought, like the needle to the pole, should quickly return to its rest in God.
I can see where @Patiently waiting for Truth, @Pudgy the vampire mutt, and @xerowould fit the profile. As always, the generosity of present Jehovah's Witnesses coming together with former Jehovah's Witnesses to regal the visitor with their stellar minds. Classic!

…. Cool in the summertime, and protection against Covid-19 !
 

I think the way “selection by God” is usually determined is what kind of costume they wear.
The Popes are always bent over at a thirty degree angle because they are wearing 25 pounds of clothes, lots of gold, and a very tall 15 pound hat.
I think those having God’s approval should wear striped bermuda shorts, and a welder’s helmet with a red clown nose.
Considering the outfits the Jews used to wear in the Temple, it would be a step up!

But the Pope says he is selected by God. Archbishops say they are selected by God. And you say that no one should question those selected by God. You would say that no one should judge those selected by God. 
So, wow, every religion, in your eyes, has someone sellected by God  
So how do you decide who you think is really selected by God ? 
From my viewpoint it is 'By their works you will know them'. And the works of Watchtower / JW Org Leaders are not good.  
 

The Body of Christ is ONLY the True Anointed ones. A body can only consist of a certain number of body parts. And that number in this case is 144,000.   
The number of the 'earthly class' is not known which proves they are not part of the Body of Christ. 
God uses words that humans can understand, hence the word 'Body'. Christ is the Head, and the 144,000 are that Body.  But we know it is not physical, it is spiritual. 

You are comparing the word of God to the words of men ? 
And actually it would seem that many people do not even use a paper bible any more, they use their cell phones or tablets. 
So the 'paper copy' is not important, it's the content of it that is important. 
No one has the original writings, we all have coppies. So why isn't the GB satisfied with copppies of those documents ?
And this period of time was when the Leaders were telling lies about the Romans scripture concernigthe Superior Authorities, and by doing so, causing harm to thousands of people.  
 

I love it when low-IQ trolls overdrive their intellectual headlights.

As an experience to the fall of man or the conditions that the chosen people were subjected to by their oath of worshiping the one and only true God? 
You continue to confuse man's history. Being up voted by unhealthy spiritually ignorant people, doesn't help your cause.

Maybe you mean this kind of faith an trust in the human leaders of WTJWorg? :))
At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. - WT 2013 
As the end of this system of things draws near, we need to trust in Jehovah’s way of doing things as never before. Why? During the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical. Of course, Jehovah will not speak to us personally. He will likely provide direction through his appointed representatives. That will hardly be the time to second-guess the direction or to view it with skepticism, wondering, ‘Is this really coming from Jehovah, or are the responsible brothers acting on their own?’ How will you fare during that crucial time in human history? The answer might be indicated by how you view theocratic direction now. If you trust the direction we receive today and readily obey, you will likely do the same during the great tribulation. - WT 2022
 

Proof is in the background, because what good is it if someone’s eyes are blinded?
Judging by the words of Genesis, you are right. Man did not need to gain knowledge of that kind. But that doesn't mean that man has enough of it today.
 

Of course, the share of the individual is important. The bottom line is that JW members and their leaders often allow demons to seduce them with the so-called “new light” attributed to HS, but it actually comes from the opposite side.
With free will that came from God because it was his choice of his free will. Since God has kept for himself all wisdom and power, man's action can in no way call into question God's position.
But revolt against the so-called "human representatives" of God certainly calls their position into question. Leading people of WT and other related companies of the BS / JW organization have proven in each of their mandates that they believed in "false teachings". Do you want believers to respect such a position of "God's representatives"?