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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Yes, there is always a choice. On the one hand, it is interpreted that man decides for himself, and on the other hand, it is said that demonic influence is so strong that it blinds people. From this we could say that the people of Noah's time were seduced by the great influence of demons, so they were unable to change their condition and choice. On the other hand, God failed to persuade them to change their choices. So God was left without his choice and was forced to show anger instead of grace. 
    In most cases, God has no problem with someone like me questioning Him and his reasons. And in general, people on Earth do not pose any threat to God and his authority. Criticism and questions can only be a threat to religious leaders as GB.
    If it is exactly as the Bible says, then the only real threat God faces is one that comes from his immediate vicinity (the angel he created — the devil). Who gave the devil a choice? The God who gave him free will. Or God is/was naive, so he has given free will to individuals for whom no one guarantees that they will not abuse it. Or he knew that there was a great possibility that it would happen and everything would go to ruin, but he did not think that it would be a problem for him that would not be solved in one way or another.
    Either way, people are a party in the process that is where it is.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    it’s both….he has a Plan….and he will execute with his wrath…that’s why Jesus will be back as a roaring lion…
    A good example of this is how he dealt with Sennacherib and Hezekiah
    Message Bible 2 Kings 19:25 ( I use the message Bible because it’s straight to the point ) 
    Did it never occur to you that I’m behind all of this
    Long Long ago I DREW UP PLANS  and now I’ve gone into ACTION
    Using you as a DOOMSDAY  weapon reducing proud cities to piles of rubbish
    Leaving their people dispirited slumped shoulders limp souls useless as weeds fragile as grass unsubstantial as wind blown chaff.
    I know when you sit down and when you get up ( Sennacherib/ type of Satan )when you come and when you go.
    and  yes I’ve marked everyone of of your tantrums against me It’s because of your temper tantrums against me
    It’s because of your temper your blasphemous foul temper
    That I’m putting my hook in your nose and my bit in your mouth
    and turning you back to where you come from. 
     
    Jehovah has a Great Plan….at that appointed time ..at the right time….Jesus will ROAR…..
    Your questions Srecko   can be found laid down in patterns of the Bible… but  we will have to wait and see…we might get some surprises..only Jesus has the right to judge as to how to handle your question.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    I would be interested to know whether God has an interest in providing his protection only to those people who are his worshipers or whether all innocent (victims) belong to the "saved" regardless of religious, political, cultural affiliation.
    You mention God's wrath. If God intended (before few thousands years) to undertake the mass destruction of evil (and evil people) then it is part of a plan and not a moment of emotion (anger).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Okay, but these are just personal feelings of that person that the rest of us can and should understand. But what is the ultimate goal? Make documents available to the public. At the Military Museum or the Private (WTJWorg) Museum? Well, I guess everywhere where more people will be able to look at it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    I don't think it's about that. It's about: "My brothers died for refusing to participate in military service,” Paul-Gerhard Kusserow said. “I don’t find it proper that this inheritance is stored, of all places, in a military museum.”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Well, by this ridiculous reasoning, the Bible itself is not a “spiritual treasure.” It is a “document (paper)”
    Why seek one? Show yourself too spiritual to seek mere physical objects.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    quotes from link:
    The museum’s retention of the archive, said Wolfram Slupina, a spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Germany, “deprives us of a significant and invaluable part of our cultural heritage.”
    This is brand new terminology related to JW members and WTJWorg. Until now, there has always been talk of “spiritual heritage” as something that is important to have from faithful ancestors. What is the difference between "cultural and spiritual". Here is about the material possession of things. This is about the documents (paper) not a "spiritual treasure" stored in the people's hearts and minds.
    Before she died, Annemarie Kusserow, the keeper of the archive, had lent documents to her brother, Hans Werner Kusserow, to make copies for a book he was writing.
    Though Annemarie’s will stipulated that the documents should go to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ headquarters in Selters, a small town northwest of Frankfurt, her brother, who was not a member of the faith, sold them to the Dresden museum for less than $5,000.
    The will is not available to us, so it is not known which documents and how much should go to which heir, among other things left behind by the deceased. But interestingly, WTJWorg is willing to spend voluntary monetary contributions for the trials, in order to come into possession of the original documents. They are not happy with the copies. What about that old biblical proverb; endure injustice because God will pay you. And how will God pay you? It will give you spiritual well-being and happiness and a clear conscience, not material. Wasting time, money and energy in the courts is not a recipe for happiness.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    You know what is absolutely amazing to me, @Dmitar/Allen?  You've downvoted God's word. My comment sited many scriptures.  You are supporting  how your organization treats the anointed.  You and all JWs are supporting the breaking of God's commandments about the priesthood...unless they know, but are too afraid to speak up for the word of God and accept instead, the word of men.
    Who is the god you worship?  It isn't the God of Truth.  
    “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: obey Me, and I will be your God and you will be My people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 
    24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backwards and not forwards. 25 From the time your ancestors left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their ancestors.”
    27 ‘When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you; when you call to them, they will not answer. 28 Therefore say to them, “This is the nation that has not obeyed the Lord its God or responded to correction. Truth has perished; it has vanished from their lips.  Jer 7
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Get your money back.   
    It’s sorta like when you buy something that has a three year warrantee,  that costs $35, and it breaks under warrenty, and you find out you have to pack it up in the original box, provide proof of purchase, and the return shipping is $26.
    You might get “burned” once ….. perhaps even twice ….. but being a loyal “customer” is not about what is advertised, it’s about credibility, and true value.
    When you continually disparage comprehensive education, and misrepresent what you know to the customer ….. even if it is for the very best of noble reasons, your company will not fare well.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Get your money back.   
    You seem to indicate an offering is wrong. Can you explain why it's wrong, even though Jesus spoke about it and the apostles referenced those offerings to the church?
    Since this post is about a church scamming its parishioners by a refund if their needs are not met, and you insist the Watchtower should do the same, I'm trying to find a text where the first century did that by those means of giving. Now you're using the word temple, it's more interesting, since Jesus thought of his body as a temple. John 2:9. Does this mean, those offerings should have gone directly to Jesus and not the church, and if someone's prayer was not answered to their satisfaction, Jesus should have returned that offering?
    How should a Christian proceed with the question of the burnt offerings and animal sacrifice?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Get your money back.   
    Are you saying the organization is a temple?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    I have often mentioned this to people that do not understand the situation. This period of time that we are living in concerns all in Heaven as well as all on Earth. As you say, it is a universal issue. And the outcome will be once for all time. It will be completely settled and only then will there be 'true peace and security'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Very true that Almighty God 'does not lower His righteous standards'.
    But ufortunately the Watchtower and JW Org have never had righteous standards. 
    From the times of the Bible Students of Russell, through Rutherford with the many splits of the Association, and right through the Jehovah's Witnesses, they have not had and do not have Almighty God's righteous standards. 
    We all sin Mr Rando. But those who give themselves authority should be more careful before they deliberately sin. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    You are a fake Mr rando. And you serve the devil well. Twisting scripture will not go well for you. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Arauna I agree with you on this point.  Adam and Eve would not have been allowed to eat from the 'tree of life'. 
    But so much of this topic seems distorted. It is my opinion that Mr Rando is not a JW and is slyly twisting scriptures to mislead people. 
    I do note also that in Gen 3: 22  from the NWT 
    Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.
    Whereas Gen 3: 22 from the Berean Study Bible
    Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
    Do you see the difference ? 
    Us being in uppercase surely means Almighty God and the Son of God (Jesus).
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    He gave rules to Adam. Told Adam what he could do and what he should not do. 
    And we have 'rules', 'laws' and principles in the Bible, which is inspired of God.  But we have the free will to follow those 'guidelines' or not to. 
    Very good point.  I know a JW who's wife died because she did not have a blood transfusion, whereas now she could have some fractions from blood.  So maybe that man should have made the decision by using Bible scripture not by obeying humans.  It's one more reason I'm no longer a JW, because i want to be guided by God through Christ, not by men. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    The free will is whether you chose to obey or disobey. Whether it be obeying God or Man's laws. 
    The obvious thing is that every action has a reaction. You may choose to jump off of the top of a high building, but the reaction would be that you would go downward rapidly.  There are laws of many types, gravity is one of them. 
    But human 'perfection' relies on the human obeying God's laws in all ways. And we know that both the devil and Adam had the knowledge needed to make their own decisions. The Devil was an Angel and would have been well trained for the job of watching over this Earth and it's humans. Adam had been given direct instruction by God.  The free will was the choice to obey or disobey God. 
    We, even as imperfect humans, have the choice of obeying God (to the best of our ability) or deliberately disobeying God.
    This is my disagreement with the GB and many JWs. They so say 'dedicate' their lives to obey God through Christ, but can easily be seen to deliberately disobey God.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Yes it's true. and we can now see how evil the GB and their helpers are. 
      Srecko Sostar said:      GB+Helpers+Writing department fall under that category too? Dimmy replied.  No, They know what they're doing.
    Yes Dimmy, the GB et al, do know what they are doing, hence they will probably not 'enter their promised land'. 
    A wicked slave is what they have become. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Get your money back.   
    Protests are useless …. The WTB&Ts is now TOTALLY controlled by their accountants and lawyers.
    Nothing new …. This ALWAYS, without exception occurs when any religion starts accumulating Real Estate.

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Get your money back.   
    I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold.  I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them.  We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them.  
    I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose.   They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion.  Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Get your money back.   
    Sometimes, people do the best they know how to do under very difficult circumstances and technically they’re doing everything wrong and in the wrong way. However, the fact remains that they are doing the best they know how to do and I suspect Jehovah God gives them credit for that.
    Whether God does or he does not is often a matter of perception on our part and that in itself can be subject to great error.
    I saw a movie last night that perfectly exemplifies a righteously inclined person doing the very best he knew how to do under impossible circumstances.
    It was called “The Book Of Eli“ starring Denzel Washington, and although you may have some serious objections about the movie, no people or animals were harmed in the production of the movie . 
    None.
    For that perspective, I highly recommend seeing the movie. I deliberately avoided it for many years, but the ending makes the movie worthwhile.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Get your money back.   
    At least they offer a refund, unlike the Watchtower 🙂.
    ws17 July p. 5 - One way to prove ourselves faithful with our material things is by making donations to the worldwide preaching work that Jesus foretold would happen.
     Such examples show that God’s people are “faithful in what is least.” (Luke 16:10) They use their material things to benefit others. How do those friends of Jehovah feel about making such sacrifices? They are very happy knowing that when they are generous, they gain “true” riches in heaven.
    Yes, such riches will ultimately fail, so do not lose the opportunity to use them to “make friends” in heaven. Whatever we do to advance the interests of Jehovah’s Kingdom makes us spiritually rich.
    Miraculously, earthly money, investments and commodities transform into spiritual riches when given to  the Wt. This is their guarantee, if we take hold of the opportunity - no refunds available though. 
    But, is it really true that one can “make friends in heaven” by donating to the organization?  Does it prove we are faithful to God?
     w09 10/15 p. 16 - A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. Jesus encouraged his followers to make friends for themselves by means of “the unrighteous riches.” (Luke 16:9) Not that we can buy friendship with Jesus or Jehovah.
    Apparently it is not true!  It appears that if there is a desperate need for money, the Watchtower gives its readers a different slant.  This article is saying, we don’t necessarily need to give our material riches to the organization in order to have a “friendship”…I say a spiritual relationship, with the Father and the Son.  But 18 years after this last quote was written, obviously "new light" tells us that God will not make us spiritually rich unless we “make friends in heaven” through donations to the organization.   
    What riches, could be considered “unrighteous”? 
     Jesus called them over and said to them, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in high positions act as tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you will be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you will be a slave to all.”  Mark 10:42-44
    1 Cor 4:8 -  You are already full! You are already rich! You have begun to reign as kings without us -- and I wish you did reign, so that we could also reign with you!
    Prov 18:12 - "Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility comes before honor."
    The “reign” of the GB over every JW, and the reign/rulership of the "Gentile" elder body especially over the anointed priesthood, is unrighteous.  Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    Wasteful Steward
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Visitors here should reflect these questions with insight. What did King David express?
    Book One (1-41)
    Psalm 13 "How long, O Lord?" How long, David asked, would God allow evil to triumph over him (13:1-4)? He answered his own question, expressing faith that God would deliver him (13:5-6).
     Psalm 14 God's final triumph over godless fools. David expressed utter contempt for those who deny God's existence (14:1; see 53:1). He noted the sad spiritual state of humankind (14:2-3; see Rom 3:10-12), expressed wonder that they did not see how God favored the righteous (14:4-6), and longed for the day when God would bring final victory to his people (14:7; see Ezek 11:17).
    The word salvation (14:7) occurs frequently in the Psalms. While Christians define salvation primarily as deliverance from sin, the psalmists would have understood it primarily in its OT sense of deliverance from earthly danger.
    Why is it important for a Christian?
    AMP Matt 12:35
    35 The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    WTJWorg has mastered the technique of how followers learn what is acceptable and what is not in accordance with the "principles" explained in writing through literature or interpretative form by elders.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth Can you give me an example in Jesus time, when a Roman man didn't have desires of a young boy? How about the Greek culture. Maybe the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
    Can you give me an example of what part of this world you have proven to be perfect? Is it in your country where there was an entire community hiding the fact there was pedophilia in their community and the entire township was hiding it from the law.
    Which religions and institutions have you exempted. How many institutions like the Australian immigrant detention center where children were being abused, and the government, in order to quiet the critics, MADE it into LAW workers would be imprisoned if they spoke out. 
    I guess to you, known of this is disappointing to say the least. 
    Now, what is desire? Can you be included in that prospect?
    NASB Gal 5:16-21
    16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    How do you justify yourself to the visitor here, Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Don't bother to down vote the truth. The truth has not set you free.
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