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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    How can you ask me such "stupid" question. TTH mentioned Jesus ’words in which he invites people around him to eat his body and drink his blood. I only expanded the possibility that the apostles and other followers repeated Jesus ’words in front of other people. If they were “rigid” in preaching such “religious teachings,” my conclusion was in the commentary. So I really don’t understand how you don’t understand the context within which my remark is.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    https://www.waheagle.com/story/2021/12/23/sheriffs-report/sheriffs-report-december-23-2021/20219.html
    Sheriff's Report, December 23, 2021
    December 14 — 12:02 p.m. A caller, concerned that a person in the Elochoman Valley area had been using drugs and was not himself, requested a welfare check. A deputy responded and reported that the individual did not appear to be under the influence of drugs. 2:40 p.m. A caller reported that someone was riding a dirt bike around Glengate without a helmet. A deputy responded and spoke to an individual who admitted he had been riding without a helmet. He said he wouldn’t do it again. 5:56 p.m. A caller said a woman in Cathlamet had been screaming at her daughter. She wanted the woman to leave her family alone. 6:40 p.m. A caller reported three suspicious men, including one man in a wheelchair, going door to door in Cathlamet. He later said they were Jehovah’s Witnesses. 8:22 p.m. A caller said she had lost her phone, and that the “Find
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Ha Ha, I was just going to ask yo if you were so angry that you needed to post it 4 times  
    That comment was funny however. 
    I leave the sleeze to your JW org thanks. The place where Pedophiles roam free to harm young children.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    You are the one playing the 'fool's game' by living in that Org that is run by 8 men that pretend to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave.  You are a slave to the ones you serve, and those ones are the Governing Body of the Org. 
    For over 100 years the Leaders of that Org have deliberately told lies. The Watchtower writers, Leaders, helpers, then the JW set up, JW Org, all telling lies about what they pretended to know.  We don't need to write details here of the lies as it's all been written here before. BUT you and others blind yourselves deliberately from all those things. Things which have been proven, not just made up stories. 
    You crafty way of writing only fools those who want to be fooled. For instance this sentence of yours above.
    "It is a fool’s game to base judgments on the flaws of those taking the lead anywhere,...." 
    We are not talking about ANYWHERE, we are talking about 8 men that say they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
    We are talking about 8 men that say "God and Christ trust us, so all JWs should trust us" 
    We are talking about a GB that have told the Anointed 'not to gather together because if they do gather together those Anointed ones would be working against the Holy Spirit.
    This is who you follow. These are Your Leaders. Those wicked men who do not serve God through Christ but serve themselves and make slaves of you all.  How can i say that ?
    Well for instance, on the ministry (when it was street work and carts) JWs didn't often go out with Bibles. JWs didn't often speak from their hearts. JWs handed out magazines and tracts. JWs stood by carts / trollies full of the GB's written words. It was all the GBs / helpers written words. It was not the Word of God... And so called Bible studies, were really a book study which might possibly include a very few scriptures. 
    Remember that your JW Org is all based on the teachings which come from those ones you say 
    "It is a fool’s game to base judgments on the flaws of those taking the lead anywhere,.
    Because those taking the lead are the ones you follow. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    It only fails with BLIND JWs, because YOU want it to fail for YOU.
    Truthful Christians would see the truth in what I've written and would see the sly way you try to hide truth about your Leaders and your Org. 
    But what you seem to be saying is your Leaders and your Org are no better and no different to the rest of the 'world' that belongs to the Devil. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    You are the one playing the 'fool's game' by living in that Org that is run by 8 men that pretend to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave.  You are a slave to the ones you serve, and those ones are the Governing Body of the Org. 
    For over 100 years the Leaders of that Org have deliberately told lies. The Watchtower writers, Leaders, helpers, then the JW set up, JW Org, all telling lies about what they pretended to know.  We don't need to write details here of the lies as it's all been written here before. BUT you and others blind yourselves deliberately from all those things. Things which have been proven, not just made up stories. 
    You crafty way of writing only fools those who want to be fooled. For instance this sentence of yours above.
    "It is a fool’s game to base judgments on the flaws of those taking the lead anywhere,...." 
    We are not talking about ANYWHERE, we are talking about 8 men that say they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
    We are talking about 8 men that say "God and Christ trust us, so all JWs should trust us" 
    We are talking about a GB that have told the Anointed 'not to gather together because if they do gather together those Anointed ones would be working against the Holy Spirit.
    This is who you follow. These are Your Leaders. Those wicked men who do not serve God through Christ but serve themselves and make slaves of you all.  How can i say that ?
    Well for instance, on the ministry (when it was street work and carts) JWs didn't often go out with Bibles. JWs didn't often speak from their hearts. JWs handed out magazines and tracts. JWs stood by carts / trollies full of the GB's written words. It was all the GBs / helpers written words. It was not the Word of God... And so called Bible studies, were really a book study which might possibly include a very few scriptures. 
    Remember that your JW Org is all based on the teachings which come from those ones you say 
    "It is a fool’s game to base judgments on the flaws of those taking the lead anywhere,.
    Because those taking the lead are the ones you follow. 
  7. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Sorry, it looks like my phone went a little crazy and posted multiples of my quote...and I don't have the option to delete.
    @The Librarianwhat happened to the option to delete your own post?
  8. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Hey, are you sure you weren't a writer for the Mirror once? Or some other sleezy tabloid? I remember reading a big bold red headline once in a local paper, can't remember the name of it, but can't forget the headline: "woman raped by a head of cabbage". 
    People actually buy those papers, and believe that stuff...
     
  9. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    How can anyone be so obtuse? Of course I know what the subject is. What anyone else instantly realizes is being said is that the tactic fails anywhere—and it fails just as much with WT personnel as anywhere else.
  10. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    @Pudgy 
    It appears intelligence is not high on the agenda here; I can answer your comment this way.
    When God created man, he gave man the ability to think, an ability the animal Kingdom did not possess.
    7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, 8 but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
    Here, I can repost @xero previous thought
    Ecc. 7:9
    9 Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger settles in the lap of a fool.
    So, can you explain how a vicious animal trained to be rude and obnoxious know when a human is wrong?
    Can it be this animal was neutered, and doesn’t possess the ability to chase after puppy tail anymore?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Are you privy to the degree Jesus did that after his ‘eat my flesh’ remarks gave enemies the pretext to persecute the congregation for cannibalism?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    The general fact is that we are, usually all, generals after a battle. But real generals also analyze their actions after the battle to be more successful next time. Everything is subject to criticism and questioning.
    Doing nothing is wrong. But is the persistence in doing wrong things proof that we are still doing something good because we have convinced ourselves that it is better than doing nothing?
    Preaching that Armageddon will take place in certain years or within a certain period gives some hope to people who believe in it. And after a failed theology, there are “generals and ordinary surviving soldiers” who comment on it.
    We could accept the claim that accepting false hope is better than no hope at all. With such an idea, we could believe the claim that JWs have reached a high/er standard of faith and hope compared to some other people. 
    Are JWs more honest and moral people than others? So now, do you really want to brag about that?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Exactly.
    It is a fool’s game to base judgments on the flaws of those taking the lead anywhere, but it is also the oldest trick in the book. Honing in on the imperfections of the doers will allow you to discredit anything. The only ones not making mistakes are the ones not doing anything (as though that itself is not a mistake).
    We’re in weak position to say what ‘should be done’ in directing the Lord’s work. To those who think a True Anointed is the answer, consider how Jesus surely was a true anointed, yet he said something that, if any of the Governing Body had said it, they would be blistering condemned as irresponsible and wrong.
    Why did Jesus say as he did about eating his flesh and drinking his blood? (John 6) No clue here. Enemies of the truth would later seize upon it to spread the ill rumor that Christians practiced cannibalism. Early Christians were persecuted and killed, their enemies spurred on by this abominable report that could be traced to Jesus himself. Who would not, if they didn’t know it was Jesus, not quickly condemn whoever said the inflammatory words.
    Like you, not all is as I personally would like it. Would things be better if things were more to my liking? No clue. They might easily be worse.  The one thing we know for sure—two dozen or more scriptures say it directly—is that true Christians will be hated by the world. That is a tough current to navigate against.
    I have taken the Rolling Stones song as though my own, ‘You Can’t Always Get What You Want.’ I’ve also observed that the point of contention is always going to be the divine/human interface, and have even speculated that this is even true with Judas himself: He and God were tight. No problems there. But this imposter claiming to be the messiah was not at all what Judas had expected. Jesus didn’t fit the bill at all in Judas’s eyes.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I think everybody here is missing the point of Life, The Universe, and Everything.
    Yes, the WTB&TS is guilty of hundreds of sins over a hundred and more years, but the fact is that in a Universe that is inhabited by big ugly bags of mostly water, and a Sovereign God that allows for it, they are the best bet we have for learning about how to be better people.
    Again and again and again I have asked all here to show me something better, and they have, with a million words, failed to do so.
    Details are important, and they have been sorely lacking.
    There is no love in what I know .... but I cannot deny the fact that, disregarding "Management", Jehovah's Witnesses are humanity's best bet.
    ... all the others are so very much worse.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I find that this organization often follows its own interpretations of the Bible/scripture.   
  16. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Since we have already established that you’re wrong about everything, it might be fun to address your points, point by point.
    1.) I am very well coordinated as a non-intellectual animal. MUCH Better than being at odds with myself as a vegetable. I would choose an onion if I had a choice.
    2.) I do not remember ever getting a straightforward question from a real dog, usually just Mark Mark Mark Mark Mark if they have asthma.
    3.) you’re wrong about what real dog does or does not do ….. which is completely immaterial, as I’m a cartoon dog which has one distinct  disadvantage  when playing poker …….. a person can read the thought balloon above my head. If a real dog had good cards, he would probably wag his tail, making it impossible to bluff at cards.
    4.) And to your last point, about me being a rude and obnoxious person pretending to be an animal  ……… What’s your point?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    You seem to be at odds with yourself as a nonintellectual animal. Perhaps learning from a real dog, you can get a straight forward question. Real dogs just obey without thought of mind of what the owner really needs, just wants. However, you seem to be an extremely rude and obnoxious person pretending to be an animal. 
  18. Thanks
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Yes, you are right, he is reading from the book, “We left Jehovah’s Witnesses” by Edmond Gruss.  He has done a few videos on segments from the book.  The maker of the video and his wife have made a lot of videos, but I personally, have only seen a few; and from I have gathered, they are both exjws.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in INDIA seems to be stepping up it's 'dislike' on Christianity, or false Christianity.   
    Yes, the right wing in India is allowed to go unchecked. They kill those who eat beef.  They are also persecuting those who become Christians.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in INDIA seems to be stepping up it's 'dislike' on Christianity, or false Christianity.   
    India bans Mother Teresa charity from receiving funds from abroad
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/dec/28/india-bans-mother-teresa-charity-from-receiving-funds-from-abroad
    The Indian government has blocked Mother Teresa’s charity from receiving funds from abroad, just days after it faced a police investigation for “hurting religious sentiments of Hindus” amid rising intolerance towards Christians in India.
    The home ministry, which made the decision on Christmas Day, said it had come across “adverse inputs” when considering the application.
     
    The rejection of the application comes less than two weeks after Hindu hardliners accused the charity of carrying out forced conversions of Hindus to Christianity in a home for girls it runs in Vadodara in the state of Gujarat.
    The accusations, which the charity fiercely denies, were that the charity was “luring” poor young Hindu women into becoming Christian by forcing them to read Christian texts and take part in Christian prayer.
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    Jesus statue smashed in spate of attacks on India’s Christian community
    Amid growing intolerance to India’s Christian minority, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/27/jesus-statue-smashed-in-spate-of-attacks-on-indias-christian-community
    Festive celebrations were disrupted, Jesus statues were smashed and effigies of Santa Claus were burned in a spate of attacks on India’s Christian community over Christmas.
    Amid growing intolerance and violence against India’s Christian minority, who make up about 2% of India’s population, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups, who alleged Christians were using festivities to force Hindus to convert.
    “As December comes, the Christian missionaries become active in the name of Christmas, Santa Claus and New Year. They lure children by making Santa Claus distribute gifts to them and attract them towards Christianity,” said Ajju Chauhan regional general secretary of Bajrang Dal, one of the right wing Hindu outfits leading the protest.
    Speaking to local media, Father Anand, a priest at the ashram, said the protests were indicative of the increased attacks that Christians in India have been facing in recent months, as allegations of forced conversion of Hindus to Christianity have become rampant and an anti-Christian hysteria has begun to grow across India.
    “This is a symbol of what is happening because these people have impunity, and it creates tension,” said Anand. “Every Sunday is a day of terror and trauma for Christians, especially those belonging to those small churches.”
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    Of course JWs don't celebrate Christmas and True Christians wouldn't celebrate Christmas either. But this seems to be more than just a Christmas thing. @Arauna has warned of anti Christian behavior around the world. 
    Both articles quoted are a lot longer but the main points are here. 

       
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    You describe the Governing Body of JWs very well in this sentence above.  And the Leaders of the Watchtower have been doing this for over a hundred years.  They play ping pong with scriptures, changing their view of interpretation. They play ping pong with their predictions for Armageddon. They've played ping pong with the 'blood issue' and fractions. 
    In fact they ping pong with people lives. 
  22. Thanks
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Anna in INDIA seems to be stepping up it's 'dislike' on Christianity, or false Christianity.   
    India bans Mother Teresa charity from receiving funds from abroad
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/dec/28/india-bans-mother-teresa-charity-from-receiving-funds-from-abroad
    The Indian government has blocked Mother Teresa’s charity from receiving funds from abroad, just days after it faced a police investigation for “hurting religious sentiments of Hindus” amid rising intolerance towards Christians in India.
    The home ministry, which made the decision on Christmas Day, said it had come across “adverse inputs” when considering the application.
     
    The rejection of the application comes less than two weeks after Hindu hardliners accused the charity of carrying out forced conversions of Hindus to Christianity in a home for girls it runs in Vadodara in the state of Gujarat.
    The accusations, which the charity fiercely denies, were that the charity was “luring” poor young Hindu women into becoming Christian by forcing them to read Christian texts and take part in Christian prayer.
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    Jesus statue smashed in spate of attacks on India’s Christian community
    Amid growing intolerance to India’s Christian minority, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/27/jesus-statue-smashed-in-spate-of-attacks-on-indias-christian-community
    Festive celebrations were disrupted, Jesus statues were smashed and effigies of Santa Claus were burned in a spate of attacks on India’s Christian community over Christmas.
    Amid growing intolerance and violence against India’s Christian minority, who make up about 2% of India’s population, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups, who alleged Christians were using festivities to force Hindus to convert.
    “As December comes, the Christian missionaries become active in the name of Christmas, Santa Claus and New Year. They lure children by making Santa Claus distribute gifts to them and attract them towards Christianity,” said Ajju Chauhan regional general secretary of Bajrang Dal, one of the right wing Hindu outfits leading the protest.
    Speaking to local media, Father Anand, a priest at the ashram, said the protests were indicative of the increased attacks that Christians in India have been facing in recent months, as allegations of forced conversion of Hindus to Christianity have become rampant and an anti-Christian hysteria has begun to grow across India.
    “This is a symbol of what is happening because these people have impunity, and it creates tension,” said Anand. “Every Sunday is a day of terror and trauma for Christians, especially those belonging to those small churches.”
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Of course JWs don't celebrate Christmas and True Christians wouldn't celebrate Christmas either. But this seems to be more than just a Christmas thing. @Arauna has warned of anti Christian behavior around the world. 
    Both articles quoted are a lot longer but the main points are here. 

       
  23. Upvote
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    You describe the Governing Body of JWs very well in this sentence above.  And the Leaders of the Watchtower have been doing this for over a hundred years.  They play ping pong with scriptures, changing their view of interpretation. They play ping pong with their predictions for Armageddon. They've played ping pong with the 'blood issue' and fractions. 
    In fact they ping pong with people lives. 
  24. Upvote
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Mic Drop in INDIA seems to be stepping up it's 'dislike' on Christianity, or false Christianity.   
    India bans Mother Teresa charity from receiving funds from abroad
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/dec/28/india-bans-mother-teresa-charity-from-receiving-funds-from-abroad
    The Indian government has blocked Mother Teresa’s charity from receiving funds from abroad, just days after it faced a police investigation for “hurting religious sentiments of Hindus” amid rising intolerance towards Christians in India.
    The home ministry, which made the decision on Christmas Day, said it had come across “adverse inputs” when considering the application.
     
    The rejection of the application comes less than two weeks after Hindu hardliners accused the charity of carrying out forced conversions of Hindus to Christianity in a home for girls it runs in Vadodara in the state of Gujarat.
    The accusations, which the charity fiercely denies, were that the charity was “luring” poor young Hindu women into becoming Christian by forcing them to read Christian texts and take part in Christian prayer.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jesus statue smashed in spate of attacks on India’s Christian community
    Amid growing intolerance to India’s Christian minority, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/27/jesus-statue-smashed-in-spate-of-attacks-on-indias-christian-community
    Festive celebrations were disrupted, Jesus statues were smashed and effigies of Santa Claus were burned in a spate of attacks on India’s Christian community over Christmas.
    Amid growing intolerance and violence against India’s Christian minority, who make up about 2% of India’s population, several Christmas events were targeted by Hindu right wing groups, who alleged Christians were using festivities to force Hindus to convert.
    “As December comes, the Christian missionaries become active in the name of Christmas, Santa Claus and New Year. They lure children by making Santa Claus distribute gifts to them and attract them towards Christianity,” said Ajju Chauhan regional general secretary of Bajrang Dal, one of the right wing Hindu outfits leading the protest.
    Speaking to local media, Father Anand, a priest at the ashram, said the protests were indicative of the increased attacks that Christians in India have been facing in recent months, as allegations of forced conversion of Hindus to Christianity have become rampant and an anti-Christian hysteria has begun to grow across India.
    “This is a symbol of what is happening because these people have impunity, and it creates tension,” said Anand. “Every Sunday is a day of terror and trauma for Christians, especially those belonging to those small churches.”
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Of course JWs don't celebrate Christmas and True Christians wouldn't celebrate Christmas either. But this seems to be more than just a Christmas thing. @Arauna has warned of anti Christian behavior around the world. 
    Both articles quoted are a lot longer but the main points are here. 

       
  25. Upvote
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Mic Drop in Russia orders closure of human rights group Memorial   
    https://www.dw.com/en/russia-orders-closure-of-human-rights-group-memorial/a-60273615
    Prosecutors accused Memorial International, the country's oldest human rights NGO, of distorting history while investigating crimes committed under Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin.
     
    Russia's Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the closure of Memorial International, one of the country's most prominent NGOs.   The organization faced charges under the Russia's controversial NGO laws, which demands groups which are funded from abroad to clearly mark all their material as issued by "a foreign agent."
    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211228-russia-s-supreme-court-orders-the-closure-of-memorial-country-s-best-known-human-rights-group
    Russia's Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the closure of Memorial, the country's most prominent rights group, which chronicled Stalin-era purges and symbolised the post-Soviet democratisation.
    Judge Alla Nazarova ordered the closure of Memorial International, the organisation's central structure, over breaches of its designation as a "foreign agent" by not marking all its publications with the label as required by law.  
    Prosecutors also accused Memorial International of denigrating the memory of the Soviet Union and its victories and rehabilitating "Nazi criminals". During Tuesday's hearing a prosecutor said Memorial "creates a false image of the USSR as a terrorist state and denigrates the memory of World War II".
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/28/russia-rights-memorial-liquidated/
    Russia’s International Memorial Society, which documented Soviet-era repression, was liquidated for breaches of the country’s law on foreign agents  MOSCOW — Russia’s Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the liquidation of the country’s most prominent human rights organization, the International Memorial Society, in a decision that dismayed rights advocates. The ruling signaled the Kremlin’s determination to obliterate dissent, after a year in which authorities have jailed and harassed hundreds of opposition figures, activists, journalists and human rights lawyers, forcing dozens of them to flee the country for their safety.
    The International Memorial Society, known as Memorial, was set up by dissidents — including renowned Nobel Peace Prize laureate Andrei Sakharov — during the final years of the Soviet Union.
    3 reports about the same thing, but sorry folks they are all from 'main stream media', which some of you don't like.  
    I just thought some of you might find it interesting. I do. 
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