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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    And who runs this "earthly organization"?  Obviously, it isn't Jesus Christ.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Not one comment directed to the evidence the chart makes.  Who then, are the blind ones?  Who are suffering from cognitive dissonance?  It isn't the elder who made it.  Obviously, the GB "are more concerned about what people thought of them than about what God thought of them."  John 12:43
    Jesus responded to them, “What I teach doesn’t come from me but from the one who sent me. 17 Those who want to follow the will of God will know if what I teach is from God or if I teach my own thoughts. 18 Those who speak their own thoughts are looking for their own glory. But the man who wants to bring glory to the one who sent him is a true teacher and doesn’t have dishonest motives."  John 7:16-18
    These latter day "Pharisees" will not be overlooked from the judgment that comes against them.  Whether one, four, or all eight are removed, the Harlot will go down.  
     "Put on all the armor that God supplies. In this way you can take a stand against the devil’s strategies. 12 This is not a wrestling match against a human opponent. We are wrestling with rulers, authorities, the powers who govern this world of darkness, and spiritual forces that control evil in the heavenly world. 
    13 For this reason, take up all the armor that God supplies. Then you will be able to take a stand during these evil days. Once you have overcome all obstacles, you will be able to stand your ground.
    14 So then, take your stand! Fasten truth around your waist like a belt. Put on God’s approval as your breastplate. 15 Put on your shoes so that you are ready to spread the Good News that gives peace. 16 In addition to all these, take the Christian faith as your shield. With it you can put out all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Also take salvation as your helmet and God’s word as the sword that the Spirit supplies."  Eph 6
    God's word is truth, never a lie.  Someone here excused the "massive" mistakes made by the organization over the years.  Massive - telling people that Armageddon would arrive and to prepare for it, then blame them for believing their lie, when it didn't come.  That is certainly massive.  And how many times did this occur?  How many people were effected by a LIE?  WHO IS THE FATHER OF THE LIE?  It is blasphemy to think God and Jesus Christ who is truth, would excuse these "massive" errors.  
    Your focus is totally opposite than what scripture tells us.  While your eyes are locked in to the actions taking place on this earth, you have blinded yourself to the true spiritual war at hand - truth against lies. The GB, who cannot accurately provide the meaning of "this generation" since it relies on a false date, 1914, cannot provide truth to fight against the evil one.  They are holding on to their lie and convince the blind to remain under their control and to readily accept their falsehoods.  Those who commented here, are "drunk" on the Harlot's "wine"/teachings; so drunk, they cannot see what the chart reveals.  Rev 2:20; 17:1,2,17,18; Isa 29:7-14
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    I have known students to speak more of their teacher than the principal. I have known soldiers to speak more of their sergeants than their general. It is not the conspiracy she thinks it is. And since Jehovah’s earthly organization probably was the subject of that particular talk, it’s hardly a shocker, assuming the story is accurate.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Recently, the expressions of a circuit overseer prompted a “PIMO” elder (meaning physically still “in” the organization, but mentally “out”) to share his thoughts on the overseer’s sixty-minute talk.  He jotted down the frequency of these words he heard during the talk - governing body, Jehovah, Jesus, God, love.
    He created the pie chart below exposing the shocking narcissism of false prophets in a governing position, overtly setting their unauthorized rulership above that of Jesus Christ.  (Matt 24:24,25; Luke 22:24-27; 2 Tim 3:1-8; Rev 13:11-14)
    What is the chance of a co-rulership of unfaithful anointed “kings of the earth” (“ten horns”) and the Beast/body of elders, casting out - disfellowshipping - these spiritual Harlots/wicked steward? (Isa 57:3,4; Hos 9:1; Luke 16:2; Matt 24:48-51) (Rev 1:5; 17:12)
    There is a 100 percent chance.  (Hab 2:2-16)
    The power of the elder body in high positions, has gradually been growing in recent years.  As the “man of lawlessness”, this body has successfully usurped the position of God’s priesthood and “living stones” of His Temple dwelling. The anointed role of God’s choice of teachers and messengers sent by Christ, has been ignored, demeaned and “trampled” by the elder body/counterfeit priesthood. (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Eccl 10:5-7; Dan 8:11,24; 12:7; Rev 11:2; 13:1,5-7; Matt 24:15,16) (Mal 2:7; John 13:20; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rom 15:16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    A jockeying for power of the Harlot’s prominence and lordship, will most likely fester resentment in the high-ranking elders, resulting in “her” sins being exposed.  The creator of the pie chart made the statement, “I knew the push for near God-like worship of the Governing Body is at an all time high, however even these numbers surprised me. It was way worse than I ever imagined.”
     “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.”  Rev 17:12,13,15-17
    “And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”  Rev 18:4
     
    Once the Org./Beast turns on "her", the punishment of her plagues is already released.
    It is no longer possible to escape sharing in her punishment. 
    So, it is not that it is too late to repent, 
    but it is too late to repent as a means to avoid the harlot's punishment.
    What is "part of her plagues"? 
    The Beast turning on her is one. The very Gentiles she used on her brothers…
    (Rev 13:15; 11:7; 6:9; 18:24; Jer 51:49; Matt 23:35,37; Rev 11:7,8)
    …come around to her (Rev 17:16; Ezek 16:37,39; 23:9,17,22,28,35; Hos 2:3,10; Nahum 3:5,6)
    This is the plague of the locust-scorpions (constituents of the Gentile Wild Beast).
    For a time, that plague is only on the unsealed (anointed) who are dominated by the Org. (Rev 9:3,4,5,10;13:7)
    Only "a third" who are disciplined, repent (Rev 9:18,20;8:7-12;Zech 13:8,9) 
    (Jer 3:3; Amos 4:4,5,9,11,12; Rev 6:1,2,8,16,17).
    Once the Org. becomes the eighth king (Rev 17:11,12);
    all still inside are no longer worshiping the image of the Wild Beast because of the false prophet/wicked steward's priestly directive to do so (Rev 13:14,15,8;19:20).
    They are then simply worshiping directly, a Gentile god 
    (Exod 23:24; Deut 29:25-27; Jer 44:3; Dan 11:37-31)
    The Eighth King/Punishment of the Great Harlot

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    BTW Being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a vector, not a location, a profession of desired direction, not an existential state, a continuous series of actions (all of which we are not the judge, but Jehovah is), not a trophy or a plaque on the wall or even being on a list in a database somewhere.
    To me, every real Christian should claim to that calling "I want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses!".
    And yet it is important to note that one cannot do it alone nor should they. This means associating with groups of people some of whom we may heartily agree in all respects and some we may have issues with. Iron needs to sharpen iron. Without friction there isn't growth.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    No, thank you. I wouldn't learn anything from a false religion. At least that's what you people are making your religion out to be, here. What matters, is God happy with Christians that do take their baptism seriously.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I suspect that any scripture which doesn't line up w/your views would be an instance of misuse. Never mind. Continue w/your obsession about people w/invisible beanies.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Seems to me that Dmitar is begging for a bible study. I vote that Tom take it on.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    It seems to me that this is exactly what the worship of God looked like in the beginning.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Does this "Church of Christ" carry this name or have a specific, another name today?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    More to a point .... how did the Kangaroos get from the Ark, to Australia?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    "Class distinction" is your words, not mine.
    Matthew 24 : 22  Berean Study Bible
    If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.  
    NWT 
    In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
    There is one scripture which shows that the Anointed are more important at this time, right now. 
    Satan the Devil is more concerned with stopping that number of 144,000 becoming complete, than he is with any of the Earthly class.  The Heavenly Kingdom has to be completed first. The full number of the Bride of Christ has to be complete. 
    In fact the JW organisation used to teach that the Earthly class were only helpers to the Anointed ones, because the commision of preaching the 'Good News of the Kingdom' was given to the Anointed ones. 
    However, it may be because the Governing Body have exalted themselves above all the True Anointed ones, that the GB have now pretended that the Anointed are not the most important of humans on earth right now.
    And it is easily seen (and read) that earthly ones in the JW Org are following their GB and serving their GB by also pretending the Anointed are not more important. 
    I can read the jealousy on this very forum. And I think your GB are jealous of the True Anointed too. Why else would the GB beat their 'fellow slaves' ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I think the information in the Scriptures is for a purpose and that purpose is not to tell us everything, but to tell us what we 'need' to know. 
    I've stopped listening to 'religious leaders' and prefer to believe what God's word says about Him. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I was in two forms of the Christian life. Until they became JW, my parents were Catholics and we lived as Catholic Christians (until i was 7 y old). Later they accepted the teachings of JW and with my parents I was raised in that spirit. So, accepting the faith of my parents, I became a Christian according to the beliefs and interpretations of WTJWorg.
    I stopped being a Christian as defined and interpreted by the doctrine of WTJWorg.
    Do I consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ? I think this is a question that should be asked more often by all those who feel they belong to some - every Christian ideology / theology.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    It can also be an expression of competition and the ability to refute the opposite side with quotes. What the Spirit of God has in all this, on both sides involved in the discussion, does not have to be part of reality, but only on our ideas of reality. And our needs / skills to show ourselves stronger.
    Of course, this (quotes) should not be wrong because it can give the other side food for thought. But it can come back like a boomerang if the other party has the knowledge to neutralize some biblical quote with another biblical quote or with reality. Quoting some biblical passages is, many times, part of the interpretation of a certain group of believers, and the interpretations are often times on shaky feet and are not a reflection of the workings of HS. WTJWorg has proven this many times.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    Do you believe, it will only be the 144,000 saints that will inherit the earth? Is so, why is it necessary for humanity to comply with God's commands if God already knows who those are.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    As a former JW, I was also taught that the Bible (I guess it's just NT) was written for 144,000. Whether that's true or not I leave to the discussants. I suppose, among other things, this meant that they bear primary responsibility as “bearers of light” because of their special relationship with God through Christ. But today, I’m not entirely sure if that concept can be accurate. We are talking, here, about 144000 as a literal number according to WTJWorg.
    But that’s not what prompted me to comment. Does the GB have special legitimacy, as “anointed” or as “FDS” or as “elders” or as some other type of entity in WTJWorg so that they are worthy of “full trust” from JW members? That would be in the context of your comment, and support ascertainment that any kind of “super important apostles” (self appointed GB, Helpers, all sort of administration) are irrelevant, also today, like those in the past.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I'm glad you continue those scriptural applications in your behalf. I'm glad it's having an impact. However, you did not answer my question, are you a Jehovah's Witness?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    I'm glad you have an application of confidence for yourself. Continue to recite scripture in your behalf. However, my point was made with your response. Are you a Jehovah's Witness? I have asked others if this is something Jehovah Witnesses do in their daily lives, to be rude and obnoxious to others. I have not received a response. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    9 Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended,+ for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones.+ - Ecc. 7:9
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Dmitar in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    @xero There is no reason to be rude with your reply. No one here should have to be rude or obnoxious when posting.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Did Carnivores Exist Before the Flood of Noah's Day?   
    What makes you think there's a special "Anointed" vs "Non-Anointed" class distinction made in any of the counsel given in the CGS? The existential distinction that some claimed such that they were "superfine apostles" was disputed by Paul as hot air. Were these "Anointed"? Who cares? What matters is behavior. Like the scriptures say, "A live dog is better than a dead lion", the same is true and Jesus made that point when he gave the illustration about the "Neighborly Samaritan". If Jesus were alive on earth today he might choose to shock someone out of their complacency by replacing "Samaritan" with "Apostate". Jehovah is the judge and of course he's delegated to Jesus the actual instantiation of the judgement (which has yet to take place) so our only concern should be w/our own fidelity to Jehovah. Some may differ or question our integrity, but that's going to happen. This persistent and obsessive concern some have w/who is or isn't wearing an invisible magic beanie is beyond me. To me it shows the person needs to address the man in the mirror and let others do the same.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?   
    Point by point rebuttal:
    1.) I think I AM funny ... it's just that dog humor is often unappreciated by youth.  ( Most times, my jokes are just for me, anyway ...)
    2.) Who cares who Dmitar really is, or his predecessors? A matter of momentary casual curiosity, forgotten in any other context.
    3.) Referring to item No. 2, some people will downvote everything, completely irregardless of value, to TRY and be relevant ... without any success whatsoever.
    4.) It's just you.
         ...... well, except that Joe Biden and his bat-crap crazy associates are successfully destroying civilization.
     

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in 'There was no reprimand, nothing changed': Survivors criticise Jehovah's Witness elders for failing to act over child sexual abuse claims   
    JW members (the vast majority of them) are lost in their illusions they have accepted from WTJWorg. Because they consider all the people around them, who are not JWs, “enemies” and only themselves the only righteous and honest people, who are, as they say, the only true worshipers of God, it brings them into one of the most dangerous situations one can find oneself; proclamation of self-righteousness.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in 'There was no reprimand, nothing changed': Survivors criticise Jehovah's Witness elders for failing to act over child sexual abuse claims   
    Wednesday 1 September 2021 21:44, UK
    https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
    The Jehovah's Witnesses church says its elders "endeavour to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse" - but survivors say that does not necessarily translate to helping the authorities.
     
    "I don't like the way he touches me."
    That is how Emily described her abuse to elders at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall she attended in Loughborough.
    Emily (not her real name) was eight-years-old and the man she accused was a ministerial servant in his 60s.
    What followed was a series of failings that allowed him to continue abusing children for years to come. Sky News has spoken to several abuse victims who claim there is a culture within the Jehovah's Witnesses that fails those looking for help and puts others at risk.Problems include a failure to report allegations to the police, and a system that requires high levels of proof from the victim, but also allows a repentant abuser to remain within the congregation - at times without other members being told what they have done.Emily was sexually abused from the age of four - but when she reported the crime to elders in 1990, they did not call the police and told her she had made it all up.She told Sky News: "There was a phrase that they used a lot which is 'liars will not inherit God's kingdom', which is basically saying you're going to die at Armageddon, because you're a liar."

    One survivor said they were treated as liars, and that they would therefore 'die at Armageddon'
    It's a long and very truthful article, but well worth reading.
    It gives true perspective to the JW Org and the ones that rule it. 
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