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So that's it.  Bunkers under Warwick and under Ramapo, all linked together by underground tunnels. 
When the big trouble starts the GB and their Lawyers & helpers et al, will all go underground.
All paid for by donations and built by slaves of the Org.  

Um, like i said underground bunkers.   

Unfortunately many young children have become 'cannon fodder' in the JW Org, and so have many adults. 
 
ERROR ? No, deliberate sin. Deliberate crime by people in 'power', in the Watchtower Soc and JW Org. 
 

You don't 'see it' because you don't want to see it.  SM was comparing the JW Org to Facebook.
That is comparing a religion to social media. 
The big difference is that I was actively promoting the JW Org. I am not promoting Facebook, i am just using it. 
If you cannot see the difference then it's because you do not want to see it. 

Having suffered CSA myself, I have empathy for those who are victims of same. In this case above I was just making practical application of Watchtower theory and quoting from the same article as Tom. 
However, because you do not seem to have any empathy or sympathy for others, you find pleasure in twisting things as it seems to give you a 'kick' of some sort.  Enjoy your twisted thinking. 

I was making practical application of Watchtower theory, which of course people like you hate. 
 

Having suffered CSA myself, I have empathy for those who are victims of same. In this case above I was just making practical application of Watchtower theory and quoting from the same article as Tom. 
However, because you do not seem to have any empathy or sympathy for others, you find pleasure in twisting things as it seems to give you a 'kick' of some sort.  Enjoy your twisted thinking. 

I was making practical application of Watchtower theory, which of course people like you hate. 
 

Having suffered CSA myself, I have empathy for those who are victims of same. In this case above I was just making practical application of Watchtower theory and quoting from the same article as Tom. 
However, because you do not seem to have any empathy or sympathy for others, you find pleasure in twisting things as it seems to give you a 'kick' of some sort.  Enjoy your twisted thinking. 

I remember there was this minister who was always up in arms about gay people doing unseemly things in parks. I wondered suspiciously about his fascination with deviance. Later he got caught in some male prostitution sting thing. Turns out he was decrying that which he secretly either engaged in or wanted to engage in.
Now I'm not suggesting anything here, but I do find that there's often something wrong with people who keep on about something which has been addressed.

Okay. Find someone who knows how to do that and get back to us.
Like so many threads started by others, this one has nothing to do with your favorite topic.

Fabulous comment. But lots of people just believe what they are told or what they read, because it comes from a 'scientist'.
 

Following on from your quote. This is the next paragraph. 
"Today, too, the matter of sharing in the sins of others needs to be given due consideration before any man is chosen to serve as an overseer. We should never forget that the congregation is God’s, purchased with the blood of his Son. Therefore, if there be any mistreatment of the flock, the men responsible as well as those who shared in choosing unqualified persons will have an accountability with the Most High, who purchased the flock at great cost to himself. So men having any share in the making of appointments need to be very conscientious in letting themselves be guided by God’s Word and his spirit."
Wow. Now this needs some deep thinking about. Maybe they should also have accountability to the Law of the land. The sharing in the sins. Elders covering up for other Elders. 
You see the big differences between the 1st Century true Christians and the modern day 'pretend' Christians. But you still try to compare them. @Anna can see the difference. 
So, when the excuse is used concerning CSA, that the Elders were not qualified to deal with such matters. Then it would follow that whom ever elected those unqualified Elders would also be responsible for the mistreatment of victims of CSA. You see that takes the idea from just being theory to being real life issues.. 

Fabulous comment. But lots of people just believe what they are told or what they read, because it comes from a 'scientist'.
 

Actually science isn't science. You can NEVER remove the biased human component. You read a study and you don't know how many shelved "this isn't what I want" results the study had. You have to know who paid for the study as well. Take the climate fear mongers. They take their measurements in such a manner that they can get the "results" that are in accord w/what they want.

It has never been presented as a foolproof process:
“In view of the fact that humans are involved in the appointment of elders, there is a possibility of choosing an unqualified man to serve, for humans are not able to read the heart. That is why the apostle Paul cautioned Timothy: “Never lay your hands hastily upon any man; neither be a sharer in the sins of others; preserve yourself chaste.” (1 Tim. 5:22) If he had acted prematurely in appointing an elder, Timothy would have had to bear a measure of responsibility for whatever wrongs such an unqualified man committed.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101979493#h=6

Good reasoning, but it is talking about what some of them became later, at least that's how I understand it, whereas those communist spies were already bad when they were appointed, they fooled the brothers, did they also fool Jehovah? (Obviously not). 

Unfortunately many young children have become 'cannon fodder' in the JW Org, and so have many adults. 
 
ERROR ? No, deliberate sin. Deliberate crime by people in 'power', in the Watchtower Soc and JW Org. 
 

The simple answer is that the JW Org is not guided by or watched over by Almighty God or Jesus Christ. 
Many men in many congregations would not have been given appointments of 'power' over others, if God and/or Christ had any part of it. I will hold back from mentioning a serious problem in the Org, which obviously proves my point. 
My own brother is an Elder in a congregation and he admits that many Elders are not fit for purpose, and that they were never fit for purpose. One very big problem here in the UK seems to be, the lack of voluteers to take on responsibilty. Hence my brother, who is now 80 years old, has to keep doing his 'duty'.  He is losing his memory, suffers with anxiety and sleeplessness, but he has to keep on serving the Org, because no one wants to do the job he does. (I think the virus problem has actually been good for him, with KH closed, he can relax a bit ). 
So, in my opinion, men that are appointed to positions of 'responsibiity' in the Org would be men that want a bit of 'power' and would be friends of other elders. A sort of 'boys club' where only certain types of men would want to be part of it.  Once again there seems to be proof of that, which has given the Org a bad reputation. 
The one thing that has been made clear ( Luke 8 : 17)  is that Nothing in the Watchtower / JW Org is inspired of God's Holy Spirit. The GB finally admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, and they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So if the GB are not inspired, but they take the lead, then it would follow that the rest of the Watchtower / JW Org is not inspired. 
Isabella, you need to know that you cannot trust 'men'. That is, you cannot trust Elders or Ministerial Servants.  Remember that you want to serve God through Christ. You do not want to serve men.  You cannot even trust the GB.
Many JWs do not trust the GB. Even JWs on this forum do not believe everything that the GB writes or says.
It is your choice to remain in the JW Org or to leave it. But even if you remain in it, do not trust it. 

All true, but what I've been getting at in all my posts is that we often don't recognize the presumptions and speculations WE ourselves make and how solid these are or are not in some cases. It's when there is ambiguity that there ought to be latitude of point of view difference. I know some who have no issue w/full vegetarianism and I'm in the same grouping and yet others say (as did one brother) when I remarked "But we'll be at peace w/all creation." he said "We're already at peace with the cattle already." His remark stopped me and I had to ask myself "Do I really KNOW what it will be like in the future under the kingdom rule?" I had to be honest and say that I didn't.  So it made no sense to argue about it.
Admission of areas of ones' own areas of ambiguity is not a weakness and choosing to die on these molehills isn't particularly useful long term. It could easily lead one to become soured when things change or when one feels that one thing was advertised, but another thing instead is taking place. We have to ask ourselves "Were those advertising infallible prophets of Jehovah, or just men doing the best the could w/what little information these had at the time"

Unfortunately many young children have become 'cannon fodder' in the JW Org, and so have many adults. 
 
ERROR ? No, deliberate sin. Deliberate crime by people in 'power', in the Watchtower Soc and JW Org. 
 

Unfortunately many young children have become 'cannon fodder' in the JW Org, and so have many adults. 
 
ERROR ? No, deliberate sin. Deliberate crime by people in 'power', in the Watchtower Soc and JW Org. 
 

Sometimes .... a mission that people undertake willingly .... are not led into battle by paragons of virtue and righteousness ... or even compassion and awareness.
I firmly believe that .... given enough time ... virtue and righteousness in the minds and hearts of men will prevail but often through the efforts of men with serious flaws, requiring mountains of bodies and oceans of blood, and fields covered in hardships of ruined lives caused by error.
This is what happens in the REAL world ..... and until we have perfect government .... THIS WILL ALWAYS BE TRUE.
Get used to the idea, or go bat crap crazy with a screwed up version of reality.
In the meantime .... the very best you can do is TRUST NO ONE ... and do your best not to become someones' cannon fodder.
....sometimes the mission is more important than ones' indignation.

Yes, especially men who, without so much as a blink, tell you that God and Jesus trust them, so you must trust them also.  Who, in their right mind would make such an arrogant stand before the Almighty God, unless they were narcissistic, without one humble bone in their body?  They defy God and His principles of righteousness.  They believe their sins are glossed over by God and Jesus, that they will not be held accountable for their record of false teachings. But then, I don't believe they feel they do sin. They have convinced JW's that these men have already been found acceptable to rule in the kingdom of God.  Those on the elder body who display the same narcissism, believe they will rule over JW's on the earth. None of this, is God's plan.  
 
 
 

The simple answer is that the JW Org is not guided by or watched over by Almighty God or Jesus Christ. 
Many men in many congregations would not have been given appointments of 'power' over others, if God and/or Christ had any part of it. I will hold back from mentioning a serious problem in the Org, which obviously proves my point. 
My own brother is an Elder in a congregation and he admits that many Elders are not fit for purpose, and that they were never fit for purpose. One very big problem here in the UK seems to be, the lack of voluteers to take on responsibilty. Hence my brother, who is now 80 years old, has to keep doing his 'duty'.  He is losing his memory, suffers with anxiety and sleeplessness, but he has to keep on serving the Org, because no one wants to do the job he does. (I think the virus problem has actually been good for him, with KH closed, he can relax a bit ). 
So, in my opinion, men that are appointed to positions of 'responsibiity' in the Org would be men that want a bit of 'power' and would be friends of other elders. A sort of 'boys club' where only certain types of men would want to be part of it.  Once again there seems to be proof of that, which has given the Org a bad reputation. 
The one thing that has been made clear ( Luke 8 : 17)  is that Nothing in the Watchtower / JW Org is inspired of God's Holy Spirit. The GB finally admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, and they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So if the GB are not inspired, but they take the lead, then it would follow that the rest of the Watchtower / JW Org is not inspired. 
Isabella, you need to know that you cannot trust 'men'. That is, you cannot trust Elders or Ministerial Servants.  Remember that you want to serve God through Christ. You do not want to serve men.  You cannot even trust the GB.
Many JWs do not trust the GB. Even JWs on this forum do not believe everything that the GB writes or says.
It is your choice to remain in the JW Org or to leave it. But even if you remain in it, do not trust it.