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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    The simple answer is that the JW Org is not guided by or watched over by Almighty God or Jesus Christ. 
    Many men in many congregations would not have been given appointments of 'power' over others, if God and/or Christ had any part of it. I will hold back from mentioning a serious problem in the Org, which obviously proves my point. 
    My own brother is an Elder in a congregation and he admits that many Elders are not fit for purpose, and that they were never fit for purpose. One very big problem here in the UK seems to be, the lack of voluteers to take on responsibilty. Hence my brother, who is now 80 years old, has to keep doing his 'duty'.  He is losing his memory, suffers with anxiety and sleeplessness, but he has to keep on serving the Org, because no one wants to do the job he does. (I think the virus problem has actually been good for him, with KH closed, he can relax a bit ). 
    So, in my opinion, men that are appointed to positions of 'responsibiity' in the Org would be men that want a bit of 'power' and would be friends of other elders. A sort of 'boys club' where only certain types of men would want to be part of it.  Once again there seems to be proof of that, which has given the Org a bad reputation. 
    The one thing that has been made clear ( Luke 8 : 17)  is that Nothing in the Watchtower / JW Org is inspired of God's Holy Spirit. The GB finally admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, and they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So if the GB are not inspired, but they take the lead, then it would follow that the rest of the Watchtower / JW Org is not inspired. 
    Isabella, you need to know that you cannot trust 'men'. That is, you cannot trust Elders or Ministerial Servants.  Remember that you want to serve God through Christ. You do not want to serve men.  You cannot even trust the GB.
    Many JWs do not trust the GB. Even JWs on this forum do not believe everything that the GB writes or says.
    It is your choice to remain in the JW Org or to leave it. But even if you remain in it, do not trust it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    The simple answer is that the JW Org is not guided by or watched over by Almighty God or Jesus Christ. 
    Many men in many congregations would not have been given appointments of 'power' over others, if God and/or Christ had any part of it. I will hold back from mentioning a serious problem in the Org, which obviously proves my point. 
    My own brother is an Elder in a congregation and he admits that many Elders are not fit for purpose, and that they were never fit for purpose. One very big problem here in the UK seems to be, the lack of voluteers to take on responsibilty. Hence my brother, who is now 80 years old, has to keep doing his 'duty'.  He is losing his memory, suffers with anxiety and sleeplessness, but he has to keep on serving the Org, because no one wants to do the job he does. (I think the virus problem has actually been good for him, with KH closed, he can relax a bit ). 
    So, in my opinion, men that are appointed to positions of 'responsibiity' in the Org would be men that want a bit of 'power' and would be friends of other elders. A sort of 'boys club' where only certain types of men would want to be part of it.  Once again there seems to be proof of that, which has given the Org a bad reputation. 
    The one thing that has been made clear ( Luke 8 : 17)  is that Nothing in the Watchtower / JW Org is inspired of God's Holy Spirit. The GB finally admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, and they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So if the GB are not inspired, but they take the lead, then it would follow that the rest of the Watchtower / JW Org is not inspired. 
    Isabella, you need to know that you cannot trust 'men'. That is, you cannot trust Elders or Ministerial Servants.  Remember that you want to serve God through Christ. You do not want to serve men.  You cannot even trust the GB.
    Many JWs do not trust the GB. Even JWs on this forum do not believe everything that the GB writes or says.
    It is your choice to remain in the JW Org or to leave it. But even if you remain in it, do not trust it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    That has nothing to do with Capitalisms, this is in regards to Marxism. Marxism is the direct opposite of Capitalism, and it is aligned with Communism. Shoehorning Capitalisms makes no sense in regards to the definition of what Marxism equates to, hence the quotations, so I do not see what you are attempting to convey here. There are views of Capitalisms in regards to religion and faith, but there is no such thing as an ideology in this regard that solidifies it entirely.
    And no that isn't the definition. You clearly do not know what Capitalisms is, which makes you both unaware, and can easily succumb to a potential danger should those in that camp confront you to influence, i.e. Hasan Piker.
    That being said, if you never dealt with those of Capitalism, debate them or confronted them, even in person, it is unwise to make assumptions. It is also safe to note that some of these folks are willing to throw punches, this I know from experience.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    GB requests and expects, from the members, that unconditional trust and obedience be given to them and to JW elders. Despite the fact that TTH has stated that everything can be corrupted (tainted by human).
    It is theoretically beautiful and poetically enchanting. And only that, nothing else.
    So the question is, do you TTH and every other JW, allow an ordinary JW to have a critical appraisal of GB and elders and their ideas and decisions?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    Awesome reply. There is in all this the admission of free will in the process. Too, the criteria for evaluation has the stamp of holy spirit, as the qualifications are outlined in the bible, a product of holy spirit. One might also argue by way of example the case of Judas. Jesus prayed all night and selected him? Yes. Did that mean that he was picked because he had no free will and would ultimately betray Jesus? No. Not necessarily. It could have been anyone. Too, we see Peter denying Jesus, BUT repenting. No repentance from Judas, instead a flight from his own conscience (although in the end who knows and it's not my business to judge).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Melinda Mills in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    Judas was appointed by Jesus also, and he was of the heavenly calling.  And I agree with the last sentence above by Bro Tom Harley. 
    By the way Adam was made by God, and appointed to take care of all the earth and the animals. But he used his free will in the wrong way.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    Yes. Exactly as was done in the first century.
    Moreover, they [Paul and Barnabas] appointed elders for them in each congregation, offering prayer with fasting, and they entrusted them to Jehovah, in whom they had become believers. (Acts 14:23)
    They are “appointed by holy spirit” in that (1) the qualifications are laid out in scripture, (2) they are judged to have met those qualifications by experienced overseers who have measured up to those qualifications themselves, after (3) prayerful consideration and consultation. That’s all the expression means. That’s all it has ever meant. 
    It doesn’t mean God takes away their free will and right to choose. It doesn’t mean he makes them automatons. It doesn’t mean that what is within the human realm cannot be tainted by the human.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?   
    All appointments to various positions and services in the WTJWorg organization are made by people. Every appointment and every removal from the appointment is done by people. I hope this "clarification" will answer your questions about topic.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in How present and communicative was Jehovah during the time prior to the flood?   
    He's a JW. They live with that daily.  It's their bread and butter. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in What is your favorite scripture or passage.   
    Zechariah 8:23 
    Berean Study Bible
    This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
    Acts 2:17 &18 
    Berean Study Bible
    ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.'
    And that is why I am Patiently waiting for Truth. Have a good day. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in What is your favorite scripture or passage.   
    I know we all love the bible as a whole, but do you have a some scriptures or passages that stick to you the most? I have 2:
    Psalm 19[a]
    For the director of music. A psalm of David.
    1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
        the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
    2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
        night after night they reveal knowledge.
    3 They have no speech, they use no words;
        no sound is heard from them.
    4 Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth,
        their words to the ends of the world.
    In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
    5     It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
        like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
    6 It rises at one end of the heavens
        and makes its circuit to the other;
        nothing is deprived of its warmth.
    7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
        refreshing the soul.
    The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
        making wise the simple.
    8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
        giving joy to the heart.
    The commands of the Lord are radiant,
        giving light to the eyes.
    9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
        enduring forever.
    The decrees of the Lord are firm,
        and all of them are righteous.
    10 They are more precious than gold,
        than much pure gold;
    they are sweeter than honey,
        than honey from the honeycomb.
    11 By them your servant is warned;
        in keeping them there is great reward.
    12 But who can discern their own errors?
        Forgive my hidden faults.
    13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;
        may they not rule over me.
    Then I will be blameless,
        innocent of great transgression.
    14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart
        be pleasing in your sight,
        Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.
    Acts 5
    34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 
    35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 
    36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 
    37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 
    38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 
    39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in How present and communicative was Jehovah during the time prior to the flood?   
    He's a JW. They live with that daily.  It's their bread and butter. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in How present and communicative was Jehovah during the time prior to the flood?   
    Making assumptions is dangerous, it can lead to false teaching.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Never knew you were the type to make jokes about old women, and you are an adult. I guess some childish antics never truly leaves someone. The fact you even ignore the severity of CSA shows you are unaware.
    No there is no, there is CSA in both. CSA has been a problem in institutions and online. What planet do you live on to assume there is a difference. recently some children were lured and raped by an abuser online. As pointed out, abusers will exploits people and tools to access children. Stop being dense, JB.
    How is this information relevant? And according to past threads on here, it seems you had missed the plot entirely.
    For a former Jehovah's Witness, you seem to not know too much about your own former faith compared to most.
    And? How is this relevant?
    Not really.
    Not really, granted with why I coined Anna and JWI before, you are just spinning your wheels here.
    And how is that? From what I have been seeing, they are still active, likewise with their similar Lone Christian counterparts, one of them I had shown before.
    So why are you trying to counter what I said before about no one being immune? Contradicting yourself, I see despite the fact I pointed this out numerous times.
    Not really. Kathgar is a JW and his history was that it was his choice to become one of JWs, granted he came from a Muslim background. Clearly because of this change, not everyone was happy, granted everyone has a choice. His own family assumed the ISIS situation was the result of him converting to Christianity, which, if you learned about what truly happened, it is different.
    Even in the pandemic, there are more people seeking God, and most turn to JWs, even some of the children I use to deal with, and I always told them, if someone speaks truth in regards to the Bible, follow your heart on it and test the spirit, hence why I often quote 1 John 4:1. Ironically enough, even some former JWs returned to their JW churches to be reinstated; even from indirect actions from their own kin.
    And this misconception was debunked a long time ago.
    No one said Facebook was a Religion, it was brought up that Facebook is also effected by the Child Sex Abuse situation.
    It seems you keep saying this to defend Facebook, you even ignore the grooming situation.
    The Internet is a separate entity. Facebook is a Social Media Platform.
    You were told several times that anyone with bad intent can use social media to commit ill acts, hence the Hammer analogy.
    Ads also play a role in the abuse of children too.
    I don't. It is already known I am not a fan of Big Tech as is Section 230 that Facebook will most likely be following. You sound like a Leftist Lib with that remark to someone who is not part of the Paradigm.
    I am 100% not a fan of Section 230, and a foreshadowing role it played in regards to a CSA incident at a School.
    I don't hide behind a mask granted it is already know my view of Big Tech and Section 230. Hasan Piker would make the same assumption twice in a row, despite him being a hypocrite.
    Then why try to challenge the fact, even ignore CSA can happen on social media despite me pointing it out numerous times, even now?
    Control freak? That is cute.
    I merely put what you said in the same realm in where CSA exist. And we are now seeing how jumpy and whiny you are because of a small question.
    The question has nothing to do with opinion or a Christian Conscience. It was more so an application in this sense of a problematic issue that came forth from sin.
    You appear angry, mainly the last response, in which going full cap puts that in display.
    That being said, to be unaware or compared to Piker shows how low you have gotten, just from one question, resulting in unnecessary deviation.
    That being said, Facts outweighs many things, in this sense, and unlike you, I am not ignorant that abusers can use social media to prey on children, more so to the point I pointed out your own has issues in this regard, including recent events.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE THIEF   
    Or, perhaps not a savior, but it seems to be a symbol of judgment.  1 Cor 10 :6-10
    I think you've got it a little backwards.   Jesus described the Pharisees, the leaders of his people, as a "brood of vipers". Matt 3:7   So, it is true that you are walking about in a den of snakes (no less), but the snakes, who "deceive the elect/chosen" and all JWs,  are your leaders.  Matt 24:24,25
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Vaccine time   
    Because SM and the Truthers have some special 'media' which is not main stream and they keep it secret amongst themselves  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Vaccine time   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A. MORRIS AND MONEY   
    That's funny because the Leaders of the JWs used to say that the Org was the new Ark 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Vaccine time   
    Because SM and the Truthers have some special 'media' which is not main stream and they keep it secret amongst themselves  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in A. MORRIS AND MONEY   
    That's funny because the Leaders of the JWs used to say that the Org was the new Ark 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Vaccine time   
    Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected in the first place?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    The Annual Meeting gave an update on this. The delays are acknowledged but work goes on a few pieces at a time. Some buildings haven't been fully designed yet and they don't have all permits yet. Prep work on the ground area for each building hasn't been completed yet and a bridge has to be upgraded to bring materials in and out. Several phrases were used that imply the chance for more delays. But they expect to keep at it -"Jehovah willing."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    ....and don't forget the natural woodlands holographs protecting the entrances to the Flying Saucer repair hangers and refueling facility hollowed out with those tunnels. Those things are not cheap, you know ......
    That's why they have whole underground factories with row after row of workers at sewing machines, day after day, turning out women's fashions for the Ferengi.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE THIEF   
    The symbolism used by the Bible with the animal world is interesting. The same species of animal has two opposite characteristics.
    Eg. Satan is referred to as the "roaring lion," but the positive characters in the biblical text are also compared to the "lion."
    The “serpent” is a symbol for Satan, but the “serpent” was the savior for all those Israelites who looked at the bronze serpent idol that Moses placed at God’s command.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Trying to get through to some people is worse than going through a root canal. You might as well just pull the tooth and get an implant. The infected thinking is coming from the heart, not the head.
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