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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Just be careful to not eat eggs. Eating it in front of the wrong person can warrant physical altercations. Or chicken sandwiches. No one would want to lose their life over a chicken sandwich; especially in London.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Luke 23:43 and its meaning...   
    Those of the Anointed are judged by their faith and works whilst they are alive here on this Earth. If they are found 'worthy' of life then they will gain a spirit life in Heaven. Once in Heaven they will be counted as perfect by God and Chrsit. They will not get another testing or judgement. 
    At Armageddon those not of the Heavenly calling will be judged as being 'worthy' or 'unworthy' of keeping alive into the 'New World' here on Earth.  Those kept alive through Armageddon will be of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Only the wicked will be condemned to death. Also those raised from the dead will be both of the righteous and the unrighteous. Only the wicked will not get a resurrection. So ALL people, those that never died and those that were raised up, will be judged at the end of the one thousand years of Christ's reign. I presume they will be 'perfect' at the end of that time. They will also have true wisdom, knowledge and understanding, which we do not have now. The testing / judgement of all those on Earth will be worked through Satan's temptations. 
    Christ gave His life to open the door of opportunity, firstly for the Anointed as Revelation 5 : 9&10 tell us.  Then for those who could live on Earth.  Christ did not die for the wicked, He died for the righteous and the unrighteous. However it is Christ that judges all because HE has all authority since 33 C.E.  
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    (Is this really Isabella, or has she been hacked?) 
    Isn't it illegal Stateside to let your dog lose in the streets ?  Could cause a traffic accident. 
    It would be a Christian attitude for you to go talk to him about it. @xero  has already made this point with a scripture. 
    But from my viewpoint animal cruelty is the least of things to worry about with JW MinS & Elders. 
    How can you be concerned about a dog, but not concerned about Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org ? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    (Is this really Isabella, or has she been hacked?) 
    Isn't it illegal Stateside to let your dog lose in the streets ?  Could cause a traffic accident. 
    It would be a Christian attitude for you to go talk to him about it. @xero  has already made this point with a scripture. 
    But from my viewpoint animal cruelty is the least of things to worry about with JW MinS & Elders. 
    How can you be concerned about a dog, but not concerned about Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org ? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from The Librarian in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    (Is this really Isabella, or has she been hacked?) 
    Isn't it illegal Stateside to let your dog lose in the streets ?  Could cause a traffic accident. 
    It would be a Christian attitude for you to go talk to him about it. @xero  has already made this point with a scripture. 
    But from my viewpoint animal cruelty is the least of things to worry about with JW MinS & Elders. 
    How can you be concerned about a dog, but not concerned about Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org ? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months.
    For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's.
    So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico.
    In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears.
    Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a  successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities.
    In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it.
    How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families, 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children.  
    I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  
    The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'.   
    The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee.  My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk.  On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl. The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them. If I make any accusations I will not be listened to or I will be accused of hating JWs. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    It seems as if Truthers, or at least one Truther,  should be called a Snooper 
    definition of snoopers by The Free Dictionary
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com › snoopers   To pry into the private affairs of others, especially by prowling about.   I didn't know @Space Merchant was so bored that he spent his time snooping on people's internet activity.    Maybe I have to confess that i have around five Facebook pages. One is directed at Leaving the JW Org.  I may even have a Youtube account but i would think it is inactive.     I do see FB as a 'platform' of sorts and it is very useful to use to 'Preach the Good News of the Kingdom' whilst remaining outside of the JW domination. It's nice to be able to tell people that we ARE in the Last Days, without having to put silly dates or years on it. It's nice to be albe to show people that a Christian can be balanced.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    But it proves where their hearts and minds are. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    So that's it.  Bunkers under Warwick and under Ramapo, all linked together by underground tunnels. 
    When the big trouble starts the GB and their Lawyers & helpers et al, will all go underground.
    All paid for by donations and built by slaves of the Org.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    But it proves where their hearts and minds are. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    But it proves where their hearts and minds are. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    So that's it.  Bunkers under Warwick and under Ramapo, all linked together by underground tunnels. 
    When the big trouble starts the GB and their Lawyers & helpers et al, will all go underground.
    All paid for by donations and built by slaves of the Org.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    There is a huge Jewish population in the Ramapo, Warwick NY area, and the new WTB&TS headquarters is also on an area peppered with old gold and silver mines, so it occurred to me that the secret agenda might be Golem Harvesting, left over from 1863 by the immigrants from what is now Prague, the Czech Republic.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    I agree with your prediction you repeated several times on various topics. This only proves that the WTJWorg Administration along with its members is dormant in its self-confidence of living in a “spiritual paradise”. Poor internal communication, poor policies and rules of conduct in critical situations, poor education, in general, and especially for CSA. The fact that they are capable organizers for construction projects and the purchase / sale of real estate is not enough.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Space Merchant in Michigan school district cancels Halloween, Valentine’s Day to be ‘inclusive’   
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/michigan-schools-cancel-halloween-and-valentines-day-to-be-inclusive/
    This has to be good  
    Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.”
    East Lansing Public Schools informed parents of the decision to cancel the two holidays this week, the Lansing State Journal reports.
    The celebrations were dropped because of concerns over hurt feelings by kids in families who don’t want them to participate, the district’s elementary-school principals said in a joint letter to parents.
    “Each year, along with the fun of Halloween parties and parades, we also have students whose families do not celebrate or feel comfortable with their children participating in Halloween festivities,” the principals wrote.
    “We have young children who become overwhelmed and sometimes frightened of the costumes and others who come to school with no costume at all.”
    Officials also added that it was difficult for students to remain concentrated on classwork amid Halloween celebrations.
    As for Valentine’s Day, the principals said some families and students “do not feel comfortable with the idea of boys and girls exchanging valentines or participating in a celebration that focuses on ‘love.’
    “While some students bring valentines to exchange, others do not,” the principals wrote.
    “In our upper elementary classrooms, the exchange of valentines sometimes leads to classroom drama and teasing.”
    Assistant Superintendent Glenn Mitcham said Halloween and Valentine’s Day could still be incorporated into the curriculum – they just won’t be celebrated going forward.
    As an example, he said classes could measure a pumpkin to learn about its circumference.
    “We’re striving hard at East Lansing Public Schools to be a district that is equitable and inclusive for all families,” the principals wrote.
    The news comes just days after a Seattle elementary school announced it had canceled its annual Halloween parade this year – because it “marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.”
    Some Jehovah’s Witnesses, evangelical Christians and Muslims are among those who do not celebrate Halloween.
    The decision to cancel the Pumpkin Parade at Benjamin Franklin Day Elementary School was made by the Racial Equity Team.
    Well I think that is one piece of good news. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13
    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11
    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20
    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26
    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 
    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Michigan school district cancels Halloween, Valentine’s Day to be ‘inclusive’   
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/michigan-schools-cancel-halloween-and-valentines-day-to-be-inclusive/
    This has to be good  
    Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.”
    East Lansing Public Schools informed parents of the decision to cancel the two holidays this week, the Lansing State Journal reports.
    The celebrations were dropped because of concerns over hurt feelings by kids in families who don’t want them to participate, the district’s elementary-school principals said in a joint letter to parents.
    “Each year, along with the fun of Halloween parties and parades, we also have students whose families do not celebrate or feel comfortable with their children participating in Halloween festivities,” the principals wrote.
    “We have young children who become overwhelmed and sometimes frightened of the costumes and others who come to school with no costume at all.”
    Officials also added that it was difficult for students to remain concentrated on classwork amid Halloween celebrations.
    As for Valentine’s Day, the principals said some families and students “do not feel comfortable with the idea of boys and girls exchanging valentines or participating in a celebration that focuses on ‘love.’
    “While some students bring valentines to exchange, others do not,” the principals wrote.
    “In our upper elementary classrooms, the exchange of valentines sometimes leads to classroom drama and teasing.”
    Assistant Superintendent Glenn Mitcham said Halloween and Valentine’s Day could still be incorporated into the curriculum – they just won’t be celebrated going forward.
    As an example, he said classes could measure a pumpkin to learn about its circumference.
    “We’re striving hard at East Lansing Public Schools to be a district that is equitable and inclusive for all families,” the principals wrote.
    The news comes just days after a Seattle elementary school announced it had canceled its annual Halloween parade this year – because it “marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.”
    Some Jehovah’s Witnesses, evangelical Christians and Muslims are among those who do not celebrate Halloween.
    The decision to cancel the Pumpkin Parade at Benjamin Franklin Day Elementary School was made by the Racial Equity Team.
    Well I think that is one piece of good news. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I repeat FUNNY HOW YOU NOW CALL THEM BIRTH PANGS 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in What is the sign of the Son of man?   
    This is not Watchtower teaching as we've already mentioned. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
    God’s appointed Judge is Christ Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus will “judge the living and the dead.” (2 Timothy 4:1) Who are “the living” that will be judged? How will the dead come to life again on “the inhabited earth”?
    Jesus Judges “the Living”
    We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
    During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
    So please give us a straight answer. Who is right, You or the Watchtower / JW Org ? 
    I don't see a link to the Watchtower article for this. Shame as it would be nice to read it in context. 
    I think right now there is a big difference between the 'wicked' and the 'unrighteous'.  
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