Patiently waiting for Truth

But if your grand child is going to watch ex-JW material it is easily possible that your influence (regarding the WTJWorg doctrine) will not be of any use.  On the other hand, every effort you would make to make a child an honest and responsible person is commendable.

Isn't that exactly the problem with the current explanation? We currently have overlapping generations living together, but are we therefore contemporaries with the (US) Civil War generation who finally all died out around 1960? (I was born in 1957 and actually met one of them while out in service in 1964.) Are we currently living together with the generation of new babies who will be born after we die?
If I made a speech today in front of all the contemporary generations alive today, and I said that THIS generation is going to see people living on Mars, but it doesn't happen until 121 years from now . . . then could anyone read my speech in the year 2142 and claim that I was right?
It's difficult to imagine that someone could have great-great-great-grandchildren in 2142 and that those children would be saying to one another that their own great-great-great-grandmother actually knew someone named JWI who correctly predicted that we, in this very generation in 2142, would see it come true. That JWI was brilliantly correct! 

*** ka chap. 11 pp. 209-210 par. 55 “Here Is the Bridegroom!” ***
In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free.” In its chapter 11, entitled “The Count of Time,” it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man’s existence into the decade of the 1970’s. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia.
 

Your example, Ariana, may prove something …. But it does not prove different generations make up one generation, any more than cutting a fishing worm into three parts proves the Trinity.
The fact remains that NOWHERE did Jesus teach overlapping generations. 
The whole concept is a desperate fantasy to try and recover from being 100% wrong, 100% of the time, to desperate people who lubricate the “Chariot’s” wheels with a never ending waterfall of money, desperately wanting to believe it is true.
…. and emotionally comforted because with this fantasy explanation, their faith is now justified, and all is well.

Good question.
As you know, page 20 of the Kingdom Rules book shows an illustration of the Bible Students preaching, with the caption "In 1914, the Bible Students began to discern the sign of Christ’s invisible presence"
And then page 50, par 5 it says "As we saw in Chapter 2 of this book, the Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant in fulfilling Bible prophecy.  However, at that time they believed that Christ’s presence had begun in 1874, that he had begun to rule in heaven in 1878..."
It's like two different people wrote chapter 2 and chapter 5 of the book. It's confusing....
 

I wonder if they are going to get rid of the idea that the first group "readily discerned the sign of Christ's presence in 1914." I expect that the new phrasing will become simply "they were alive to see the sign of Christ's presence in 1914."
*** w14 1/15 p. 31 pars. 15-16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year.—Rom. 8:14-17.
16 The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth.
It took until 1943 to get rid of the idea that Jesus' presence had started in 1874. So how could anyone in the first group readily "discern" the sign of Christ's presence in 1914?
Of course, there really were contemporary (overlapping) generations in 1914, just as there were contemporary (overlapping) generations who were alive when Jesus spoke of "this generation" in 33 CE. In Jesus' day, they were the generation of grandparents, the generation of parents and the generation of children, all alive together in 33 CE. Therefore, if we're honest, then, it would have been the generation of grandparents, parents, and children alive in 1914 who made up those contemporary (overlapping) generations in 1914. That means that any anointed persons born after 33 CE were NOT, strictly speaking, contemporaries with those who heard Jesus talk about the generation. And anyone born in 1915 or later was NOT, strictly speaking, a contemporary of those anointed who were alive in 1914.
I'm also wondering why they set up a rule restricting it to anointed only. Was it only anointed persons who heard about Jesus prophecy in 33 CE, and who survived until 70 CE to see that he was right? And, for an example, let's say that Jerusalem hadn't been burned by Rome until say around 150 CE, when all those actual contemporaries alive in 33 CE were long dead. Would we be defending Jesus' words with the idea that the apostle John must have grown old and died around the year 100 CE, but some babies who never met John were born just before he died, and those "babies" lived as contemporaries of John and were still alive in 150 CE?
Maybe, we would. But I think it's more likely that someone would think about the 120 year "generation" of Noah's day, and would take note that 33 to 150 CE is just under 120 years. 😉

I think the society is trying to word it as "contemporaries".....two groups of people, one group old, the other group younger and both groups having experienced the signs of the times.....or on this case experienced Br. Franz being alive (as an example). At least I think that's how it is 🤔 In any case, if explaining this requires mental gymnastics, then it's a bit fishy in my opinion....

Rutherford said "MILLIONS now living will never die", and at that time there were not even one million of 'them'.  But then he 'invented' the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then something happened where the teaching became 'Only JW's will survive because the Org is the 'New Ark'.  @JW Insider has written that the 'feeling in the Org' is not to guess how many wil be saved. 
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This is from the Watchtower as I've shown before. 
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
Jesus Judges “the Living”
We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
( That is the Judging of those that live through Armageddon. )
 
Judging “the Dead”
The Bible says that during Judgment Day the dead will “rise up.” (Matthew 12:41) Jesus said that “the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28, 29) This is not referring to disembodied souls of those who have died. The dead are totally unconscious and do not have a soul that survives death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14, 23, 24) Jesus will bring those asleep in death back to life again on earth.
Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death? No. The Bible teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:12, 13) Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction. Many of those restored to life will for the first time come to know about Jehovah God and his requirements for life. They will have the opportunity to live in harmony with God’s will and receive everlasting life on earth.
( So the Living and the resurrected Dead will ALL be judged, according to Watchtower teachings ) 
Rando says that the living are being judged now, and that makes sense. But this W/t information says the Living will be judged after Armageddon. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.
Anna said it is the resurrected dead that will be judged during the 1,000 years. She is right but it will also include those that live through Armageddon. So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day.
Arauna, In your comment above 
Ezekiel 9 talks about the angel with the inkpot that will mark everyone for survival through Armageddon. We are in this period right now!  The winds of destruction are being held back for the 144000 to be sealed and also for the great crowd to be marked!   We are marked according to our Christian personality.  ................  The bible itself says they must have the name of the father AND the son!   If you read your bible regularly you will feel guilty over any behavior that is unacceptable to Jehovah and adjust it according to the righteous standards of God - being NICE is NOT the criteria!      Accepting Jehovah and his Son means that we also accept those "principles " which most people find tedious and unnecessary!
 I agree with this. But I note you do not say that one 'has to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses' 
Which then brings me back to the point of the JW teaching, that one has to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 
Remember how the teaching about the Superior Authorities (Romans) was taught properly by Russell/Rutherford (one of them), but then is was misused by the Watchtower / JW org. Then eventually it got put right again. 
Well maybe Rutherford was right about the Millions outside of the 'fold' being saved, but then the Watchtower / JW Org misused the idea. Maybe it will swing back the other way soon. 

The Devil works in very clever ways. He does not always make people behave outwardly 'unruly / badly'. 
The Devil can, as we have proof, pretend to be an angel of light. 
But, you know, I know of Car enthusiasts that can work together as a group and organise huge meetings for all types of vehicles, and it all runs so smoothly. So what you are saying about JWs actually means nothing.
This is one of the things that is so funny about JWs.  All the talk about everyone outside that 'mighty' Org being wicked or behaving badly. It's all such stupid talk by JWs. And you have given an excellent example in your last sentance. 

(1.)  You can read the biblical accounts, it’s either there or it’s not there.
(2.)  You can read the biblical accounts, it’s either there or it’s not there.
It’s not there.

 

I think it’s a little too soon to tell.

It's no contradiction if you recognize the roots, it can also mean a living person/living soul, granted you are using the BSB, you should have seen that one coming, and if we are to add on to that, the BSB and some translations, even the NWT have near identical sources for the Greek text.
That being said: people/persons, animal/beast, life. All well rooted with "soul", even that of which is deceased be it person or beast.
We also have to remember the state of which John was in concerning visions (The Seals/First Seal/The Conqueror)

Rutherford said "MILLIONS now living will never die", and at that time there were not even one million of 'them'.  But then he 'invented' the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then something happened where the teaching became 'Only JW's will survive because the Org is the 'New Ark'.  @JW Insider has written that the 'feeling in the Org' is not to guess how many wil be saved. 
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This is from the Watchtower as I've shown before. 
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
Jesus Judges “the Living”
We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
( That is the Judging of those that live through Armageddon. )
 
Judging “the Dead”
The Bible says that during Judgment Day the dead will “rise up.” (Matthew 12:41) Jesus said that “the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28, 29) This is not referring to disembodied souls of those who have died. The dead are totally unconscious and do not have a soul that survives death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14, 23, 24) Jesus will bring those asleep in death back to life again on earth.
Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death? No. The Bible teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:12, 13) Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction. Many of those restored to life will for the first time come to know about Jehovah God and his requirements for life. They will have the opportunity to live in harmony with God’s will and receive everlasting life on earth.
( So the Living and the resurrected Dead will ALL be judged, according to Watchtower teachings ) 
Rando says that the living are being judged now, and that makes sense. But this W/t information says the Living will be judged after Armageddon. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.
Anna said it is the resurrected dead that will be judged during the 1,000 years. She is right but it will also include those that live through Armageddon. So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day.
Arauna, In your comment above 
Ezekiel 9 talks about the angel with the inkpot that will mark everyone for survival through Armageddon. We are in this period right now!  The winds of destruction are being held back for the 144000 to be sealed and also for the great crowd to be marked!   We are marked according to our Christian personality.  ................  The bible itself says they must have the name of the father AND the son!   If you read your bible regularly you will feel guilty over any behavior that is unacceptable to Jehovah and adjust it according to the righteous standards of God - being NICE is NOT the criteria!      Accepting Jehovah and his Son means that we also accept those "principles " which most people find tedious and unnecessary!
 I agree with this. But I note you do not say that one 'has to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses' 
Which then brings me back to the point of the JW teaching, that one has to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 
Remember how the teaching about the Superior Authorities (Romans) was taught properly by Russell/Rutherford (one of them), but then is was misused by the Watchtower / JW org. Then eventually it got put right again. 
Well maybe Rutherford was right about the Millions outside of the 'fold' being saved, but then the Watchtower / JW Org misused the idea. Maybe it will swing back the other way soon. 

I was wondering, If a person that had been disfellowshipped or left the JW Org and now wanted to return. 
How would a person make it known that they wanted to return ?  What would be the proceedure since Kingdom Halls are closed ? 
How would a person prove that they really wanted to return ? 
I've always thought it very sad that when an ex-JW entered a KH, that no one would talk to them. 
I would have thought that it would show love to welcome that person into the meeting. However there are no KH meetings right now.  So what would an ex-JW do ? 
(I'll await all the hate comments from certain people  ) 
This topic is not a 'confession' that I want to return. 

I am not sure of this claim, because on the basis of which all those who have never believed in Jesus, and belong to the righteous and the unjust, will then be able to be resurrected. They belong to various nations and religions from ancient times to the present day.

Just for fun. Perhaps "Overlapping millions" will never die. Because the overlap goes on and on .., 

Rutherford said "MILLIONS now living will never die", and at that time there were not even one million of 'them'.  But then he 'invented' the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then something happened where the teaching became 'Only JW's will survive because the Org is the 'New Ark'.  @JW Insider has written that the 'feeling in the Org' is not to guess how many wil be saved. 
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This is from the Watchtower as I've shown before. 
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
Jesus Judges “the Living”
We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
( That is the Judging of those that live through Armageddon. )
 
Judging “the Dead”
The Bible says that during Judgment Day the dead will “rise up.” (Matthew 12:41) Jesus said that “the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28, 29) This is not referring to disembodied souls of those who have died. The dead are totally unconscious and do not have a soul that survives death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14, 23, 24) Jesus will bring those asleep in death back to life again on earth.
Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death? No. The Bible teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:12, 13) Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction. Many of those restored to life will for the first time come to know about Jehovah God and his requirements for life. They will have the opportunity to live in harmony with God’s will and receive everlasting life on earth.
( So the Living and the resurrected Dead will ALL be judged, according to Watchtower teachings ) 
Rando says that the living are being judged now, and that makes sense. But this W/t information says the Living will be judged after Armageddon. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.
Anna said it is the resurrected dead that will be judged during the 1,000 years. She is right but it will also include those that live through Armageddon. So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day.
Arauna, In your comment above 
Ezekiel 9 talks about the angel with the inkpot that will mark everyone for survival through Armageddon. We are in this period right now!  The winds of destruction are being held back for the 144000 to be sealed and also for the great crowd to be marked!   We are marked according to our Christian personality.  ................  The bible itself says they must have the name of the father AND the son!   If you read your bible regularly you will feel guilty over any behavior that is unacceptable to Jehovah and adjust it according to the righteous standards of God - being NICE is NOT the criteria!      Accepting Jehovah and his Son means that we also accept those "principles " which most people find tedious and unnecessary!
 I agree with this. But I note you do not say that one 'has to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses' 
Which then brings me back to the point of the JW teaching, that one has to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 
Remember how the teaching about the Superior Authorities (Romans) was taught properly by Russell/Rutherford (one of them), but then is was misused by the Watchtower / JW org. Then eventually it got put right again. 
Well maybe Rutherford was right about the Millions outside of the 'fold' being saved, but then the Watchtower / JW Org misused the idea. Maybe it will swing back the other way soon. 

That is not the question you should be asking.
The question you should be asking is this:
"When Jesus was talking to his Disciples, was he teaching "Overlapping Generations?".
The answer is NO!
 

I agree with you there ... just as long as I do not have to accept "Overlapping Generations", which as far as I know, was never taught by Jesus, but is taught by the Governing Body.
 

*** w65 3/15 p. 181 par. 16 Earthly Opportunity Opened Up by Resurrection ***
16 The High Priest Jesus Christ is the “One decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead...(Acts 10:42, 43; 17:31; 2 Tim. 4:1) In order that there may be a righteous judgment of the dead as well as of the sheeplike people who live through the battle of Armageddon, the dead must be resurrected from Haʹdes or Sheol.
 
I would say, unless there is a clear understanding of Christ restitution, the formidable will continue to be hazy. It is clear the same subject is being presented by opposite ends. But still lacks a comprehensive explanation. 

In the countries where CSA is reported it is mainly because government deparments have investigated ALL religions and clubs etc that involve children being close to adults.  Even charities are investigated for CSA.  
It's very strange that the USA doesn't seem to be investigating on a large scale.  Here in UK the Charity Commision and the IICSA have both been involved in deep investigations of CSA in religions. 
I believe that the Australian Royal Commision started with the investigation of the Catholic church. 

In the countries where CSA is reported it is mainly because government deparments have investigated ALL religions and clubs etc that involve children being close to adults.  Even charities are investigated for CSA.  
It's very strange that the USA doesn't seem to be investigating on a large scale.  Here in UK the Charity Commision and the IICSA have both been involved in deep investigations of CSA in religions. 
I believe that the Australian Royal Commision started with the investigation of the Catholic church. 

In the countries where CSA is reported it is mainly because government deparments have investigated ALL religions and clubs etc that involve children being close to adults.  Even charities are investigated for CSA.  
It's very strange that the USA doesn't seem to be investigating on a large scale.  Here in UK the Charity Commision and the IICSA have both been involved in deep investigations of CSA in religions. 
I believe that the Australian Royal Commision started with the investigation of the Catholic church. 

Are you saying that God's judgment is more severe against the Catholic Church than toward His holy people " Israel" under covenant - the anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9), and GB whom we assume are anointed?  Does God expect your "Gentile" elder judges found to be pedophiles, to receive a slap on the hand, while you expect the clergy of the Catholic Church to receive a much more stringent judgment by the court system?
"So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’” (read further Mal 3:15-18)
"Therefore, every one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.  Do you think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment?  Rom 2:1-3
 
 
 
 
 
 

Robert Hendriks has a habit of saying basically the same thing in all his interviews; love of neighbor, love of God promotes the preaching work.  Also, love of neighbor and sanctity of life was the reason for stopping the public preaching work.  Propaganda, shedding a most favorable light amidst the darkness of child abuse from the same organization.
Is it truly love of neighbor to teach someone a doctrine, that is exposed as not true?  How could anyone say yes? It is not love, neither in the preaching work nor in the congregations by the leaders.  It’s like buying a set of encyclopedias from a door-to-door salesmen for your child, thinking they are accurately portraying the reference information needed to aid in your children’s search for knowledge, only to find out that each page holds major lies.  We would consider the salesman whom we bought the set from, a charlatan.
Exactly.  If the foundation of teaching is based on the necessity to continually change doctrine (because the previous doctrine was not TRUE), no one can develop a true personal love for God and Christ. We know them through the knowledge of truth, not through wrong, failed, deceitful doctrines. (Ps 25:5;John 14:6)
Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you when he said:
8 This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me.
9 They worship me in vain,
teaching as doctrines human commands.”  Matt 15:7-9
@JW Insider - People can come into an association with our Christian brotherhood for all the wrong reasons, and never develop a true personal love for Jesus and Jehovah, but this doesn't mean that anyone should claim it was negative experiences in the organization that killed them spirituality. That would negate another of Paul's statements.
Losing one’s spirituality doesn’t result from someone joining for the wrong reasons, when the reasons for the existence of the organization, are already on shaky ground, evident through the twisted teachings of the Wt. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 2 Tim 2:25,26; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12; 16:13-16; 12:3,4) 
It is a place where the key of knowledge is taken away from its members, through the teachings of falsehoods which is called “new light”, “adjustments in understanding”. (Isa 33:6; Luke 11:52)  This in totality, is a negative experience.  So, yeah, people leave because of it and never pursue truth afterwards.  But not all of those joined for the wrong reasons; they joined thinking they had found TRUTH, and were disappointed to learn otherwise.   Others do pursue their spirituality upon leaving, and find truth in Jesus Christ, because they realized they were lacking a spiritual connection in the Father and the Son.   (John 14:6; 1 John 4:6)  
God’s word is solid Truth.  Jesus, as the Word, is solid Truth.  How can anyone come to know them OR truth, if it isn’t offered on a consistent basis?  “Living water” is consistent. (John 7:38; Jer 2:13)  The vision of the temple in Ezekiel describes the water (symbolic for life) as only getting deeper. It doesn’t stop at any point, or dry up, as a doctrine of men does; nor is it ever found to cause disease or death of another.  (Ezek 47:1-9; Rev 22:1,2; Rev 8:10,11) 
 The “bread of life” doesn’t become stale, tossed out for a new loaf. (John 6:48,51) These two sources of “food” in Jesus Christ are expected to be offered by those anointed teachers/”trees” who “remain” in him –through their consistent growing light of truth that LASTS, never rots, never needs to be discarded. (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-4,16,17)  Otherwise, the threat to one’s spirituality – one who accepts tainted water or stale bread full of a teacher’s own “yeast”, brings about a spiritual death.  (Matt 16:6)
Good gifts of living water and the bread of life is showing love to one’s neighbor. Wt’s history proves that its teachers do not present good, consistent, loving gifts.
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
@JW Insider - (Romans 8:37-39) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The apostle Paul was connected in truth to Jesus Christ.  The organization is the stumbling block that keeps one from knowing truth, from forming that connection.  If we tolerate shifting doctrine that scripture shows, does not have its source in Jesus, well yes, we have then allowed powers, governors of their government, to separate us from God’s love.  Why do JWs allow men uninspired to get away with it?  Why do they make excuses for their lies?  Why do JWs believe they have truth when scriptures prove they do not? The best way to live up to Paul's words, is to leave the stumbling block behind.   The GB are not sincerely asking for truth from Jesus Christ, because they love their own doctrine, their perversion of scripture. (Matt 7:7,8; Gal 1:6-10; 2 Pet 3:17,18; Phil 3:18,19) What comes out of their mouth proves no connection with Jesus as their Head. (Luke 6:45)  It is Jesus’ words that contain life, not the doctrine of men.  (Eph 4:14,15)
“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15