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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    It seems as if Truthers, or at least one Truther,  should be called a Snooper 
    definition of snoopers by The Free Dictionary
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com › snoopers   To pry into the private affairs of others, especially by prowling about.   I didn't know @Space Merchant was so bored that he spent his time snooping on people's internet activity.    Maybe I have to confess that i have around five Facebook pages. One is directed at Leaving the JW Org.  I may even have a Youtube account but i would think it is inactive.     I do see FB as a 'platform' of sorts and it is very useful to use to 'Preach the Good News of the Kingdom' whilst remaining outside of the JW domination. It's nice to be able to tell people that we ARE in the Last Days, without having to put silly dates or years on it. It's nice to be albe to show people that a Christian can be balanced.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Wrong choice of words. Yes, i am Member in this Club.  If I want to leave a comment in this club or on some other page, then it is logical that I have to log in. Does that make me a “member” who swears allegiance?  If you do not want to loosen your perseverance, feel free to continue in the same scenario. I don’t mind if people want to see where I left a comment or tagged a video with “like”.
    Perhaps you have some sort of a OCD in this matter (as in Glasgow case too), as our other member of this club, Arauna, would say. Waiting for your (long) response. 
    One of our case studies examined the responses of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to allegations of child sexual abuse. We also held an institutional review hearing to provide an opportunity for the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to inform us of its current policies and procedures in relation to child protection and child safe standards, including responding to allegations of child sexual abuse.
    As of 31 May 2017, of the 4,029 survivors who told us during private sessions about child sexual abuse in religious institutions, 70 survivors told us about abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Of the victims we heard about, 80.0 per cent were female. The average age of victims at the time of first abuse was 8.4 years. Of the 53 survivors who told us about the age of the person who sexually abused them, 44 survivors (83.0 per cent) told us about abuse by an adult and 12 survivors (22.6 per cent) told us about abuse by a child. A small number of survivors told us about sexual abuse by an adult and by a child. The vast majority of survivors who told us about abuse by an adult perpetrator said they were abused by a male adult.
    Of the 65 survivors who told us during private sessions about the role of a perpetrator, 26.2 per cent told us about child sexual abuse by family members. This was considered to be within our Terms of Reference when the sexual abuse was reported to and handled by the religious institution. We also heard from survivors about other perpetrators including volunteers (13.8 per cent), lay leaders (9.2 per cent) and other adults who attended the religious institution (9.2 per cent).
    As part of our case study, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation provided us with files containing allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse. They provided us with documents relating to at least 1,800 children and over 1,000 alleged perpetrators.
    Institutional responses to child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Our case study regarding the Jehovah’s Witnesses showed that the organisation dealt with allegations of child sexual abuse in accordance with internal, scripturally based disciplinary policies and procedures. We found that at least until 1998, individuals making complaints of child sexual abuse were required to state their allegations in the presence of the person against whom the allegations were made. The ‘two-witness’ rule applied – that is, wrongdoing could only be established on the basis of testimony from two or more ‘credible’ eyewitnesses to the same incident (or strong circumstantial evidence testified to by at least two witnesses or testimony of two witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing). Allegations were investigated by elders, all of whom were men and had no relevant training.
    We found that in deciding the sanctions to impose and/or the precautions to take in relation to a known or suspected perpetrator of child sexual abuse, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation had inadequate regard for the risk that the person might reoffend. Alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse who were removed from their congregations as a result of allegations of child sexual abuse were frequently reinstated. We found no evidence of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation reporting allegations of child sexual abuse to police or other civil authorities.
    During our case study we heard from survivors of child sexual abuse that they were not provided with adequate information by the Jehovah’s Witness organisation about the investigation of their allegations, felt unsupported by the elders who handled the allegations, and felt that the investigation process was a test of their credibility rather than that of the alleged perpetrator. We also heard that victims of child sexual abuse were told by congregational elders not to discuss the abuse with others, and that if they tried to leave the organisation, they were ‘shunned’ or ostracised from their religious community.
    Contributing factors in the Jehovah’s Witnesses
    We considered a number of factors that may have contributed to the occurrence of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses or to inadequate institutional responses to such abuse.
    The Jehovah’s Witness organisation addresses child sexual abuse in accordance with scriptural direction, relying on a literal interpretation of the Bible and 1st century principles to set practice, policy and procedure. These include the ‘two-witness’ rule as discussed, as well as the principle of ‘male headship’ (that men hold positions of authority in congregations and headship in the family). Scripturally, only men can make decisions. Other scripture-based policies include the sanctions of reproval (a form of discipline that allows a perpetrator to remain in the congregation), disfellowshipping (exclusion or excommunication as a form of punishment for serious scriptural wrongdoing), and shunning (an instruction to the congregation not to associate with a disfellowshipped person). As long as the Jehovah’s Witness organisation continues to apply these practices in its response to allegations of child sexual abuse, it will remain an organisation that does not respond adequately to child sexual abuse and that fails to protect children.
    We recommend that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation abandon its application of the two-witness rule in cases involving complaints of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.27), revise its policies so that women are involved in processes relating to investigating and determining allegations of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.28), and no longer require its members to shun those who disassociate from the organisation in cases where the reason for disassociation is related to a person being a victim of child sexual abuse (Recommendation 16.29).
    We welcome the inclusion in the recently published Child safeguarding policy of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia of a requirement to report child sexual abuse to civil authorities in cases where elders consider that a child may still be at risk of harm. The Jehovah’s Witness organisation should also amend all of its policies and procedures relating to child sexual abuse to ensure that this requirement is included.
    Which of these was posted on the WTJWorg official site for JW members to read? Did they post a link like you did at this club?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    What is stopping you from going to ARC to even read it? It was said many times here, ARC's information is open to the public.
    Other then that, that is quite a baseless remark; with a bit of reaching, and for reason. 
    That being said, you coined ARC, do yourself the favor and look into the findings themselves, the same ones that your video source has withheld from you.
    Other then that, cease the reaching.
    Here is the link for ARC - https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/ You can find Jehovah's Witnesses and all things pertaining to them from a 2 second search, not difficult as you make it out to be.
    I'm pretty sure every single JW who has access to the internet are found on multiple platforms. 
    Also seeing your history elsewhere, you are not a grounded person, as it is true here as well.
    Sure. But you're no quest, you logged in with an email, from a device tied to an IP Address via ISP on an open forum. One thing for certain, this proves that birds do not provide you internet access hence our last discussion regarding that.
    I thought you said you do not have a platform? Yesterday you said you do not have such things, now here you revealed to hypocritical state you have access to YouTube (logged into via email, from a device, tied to an IP via ISP).
    You leave comments, yet, nothing grounded or impactful to encourage a neutral discussion and or conversation about sex abuse.... Therefore your remark from yesterday was not true, let alone what you told the teenager.
    Here we go again... Access to someone's blog, using an email from a device, tied to an IP via ISP....
    Yesterday remark is starting not to age well.... A poor choice of words at best.
    It isn't about a freedom to profess elsewhere. You deliberately stated you only have this open forum as a platform.... Yet now you expose yourself without me saying anything.
    Even if you did counsel such things, you can easily be found out.
    The club isn't a platform, the forum is, hence the provider mentioned way at the bottom.
    Probably because you can talk about child sex abuse. In your other platforms, you post links and post things about awareness, mainly because of animals even advocate of aiding animals and the like, which I know because the teenager referred to you as Frida a few times, which confused me.
    But for some unknown reason you often speak about JWs from one sided sources, yet never used the opportunity to speak about child sex abuse from both sides of the spectrum or at a neutral setting.
    Clearly not. But I am not unwise to say having access to the internet, therefore only remaining on a single forum. I would not say something absurd to hide hypocrisy either.
    Devices and internet majority of the time 99.99% equates to access to other platforms, as long as you have an email (also derives from a platform, G+, Outlook, Yahoo, etc.)
    That being said, the Information Tech infrastructure  is what I dwell on, so I can see through the farce, even yours.
    I only called you out, nothing more.
    Srecko, this is why I said you pretend not to know, I hate theories, mainly conspiracy theories, I am Anti-Agenda, and I have a total dislike for the Left and Right Paradigm. Truthers hate theories for the fact that is results in misinformation, even getting people killed, i.e. Serena Shim, Seth Rich, Beck going into hiding (washed) etc and what revolved around their deaths; and how the MSM spins things.
    The only reason you can easily be found out in regards to platforms because all someone has to do is look up "Srecko Sostar" and everything is shown, as with your remarks. I need not do anything because your own name puts you in the spotlight. Just google yourself, see what comes up, you are everywhere on many platforms.
    Conspiracy Theories found it's way into Child Sex Abuse and Missing Persons cases, and that in of itself is damaging, I see it all the time, mainly when pedophile is weaponized. More so, JWI may not see what I see, but pedophilia seen as normal to some is a problem, people seeking to normalize it exist and you see how much of a problem that would be, hence my issue with the New York Times' agenda, which Butler did not see.
    Other than that, continue to kid yourself because the JW teen said the same thing, if you have a platform, you can use it in this manner, in fact, I can quote him
    My friend, we aren't talking about Activism, or to make change. The issue of morality stems from Scripture even, for if there is a danger, counsel can be given in a discussion about the subject matter.
    It does not matter if someone is young or if someone is old - you are on a platform where child abuse is openly discussion even at random, it shouldn't stop you or anyone from providing insight. Perhaps now would be the best time to do so. Like I said, there was only one thread that was Bible heavy on the matter because of discussion, if that can be done, you can do the same, after all, you can create threads as someone on this forum, since you did nothing, you can do something now.
    Therefore, you can do something. Does not have to be anything major either. I say this because for some ExJWs they don’t really cover these things.
    That being said, the fact you didn't know the mugshot results question of how well you are aware of sex and violence abuse crimes done to children and teens in the UK. The story of Sarah was a major story which can be felt to this day; to make a thread about CSA in the UK, but not knowing this, shows that you aren't really into any discussion about child sex abuse, even the ones taking place in the JW churches.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in 2034 and its significance...   
    Many religions have 'spread the word of God' throughout this Earth.  I cannot say that any of them have done it properly.
    The JWs have spread Watchtower lies and given false dates and false promises. How can you pretend that it is 'true worship' ?   They lied about the 'Superior Authorities' mentioned in Romans. They lied about "Millions now living will never die", because they all died.  So many false dates for Armageddon just to frighten people into the Org.  They contiue to lie about the GB being the F&DS, and continue to tell the Anointed 'not to meet together for prayer or Bible Study. That is directly against the instruction from Jesus Christ.  They continue to baptise people into the Org and do not obey the instruction about baptism. 
    BUT YOU are frightened of the truth about your Org and it's Leaders, because you worship those 8 men who have power and control over you.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in 2034 and its significance...   
    Telling the truth about your GB, their lawyers, and the lies told in the Watchtower magazines, has nothing to do with hate or OCD. 
    Your words were :-
     When I read Revelation, I see doom and gloom for those not offering up pure worship to Jehovah and SURVIVAL for those who do worship in Spirit and truth,,
    You were talking about PURE worship. You yourself know that the GB, the Watchtower and JW Org are NOT PURE. 
    THat is not hate Arauna, it's truth. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Great Tribulation. What is it?   
    This is quite funny because I think @Witness has been saying that Armageddon in spiritual, for a long time. 
    We've all known this scripture for many years. You are not bringing anything new to the table here.
    Doesn't this contradict the idea of 'hiding in your inner rooms' ?  
    Isaiah 26:20
    Berean Study Bible
    Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the wrath has passed. 
    And it also doesn't fit in with  " then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them," .. If the wicked lived to see God's servants living passed 70 / 80 years, then the wicked would not have beed 'suddenly destroyed'. 
    Rambo, I don't know what 'extra' knowledge you think you have, but half of it does not make sense because it contradicts itself.  
    Jesus Christ has ALL authority, and only He will guide those He choses to guide. I think you, Rambo, are a blind guide.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from JW Insider in Judge orders stay of Jehovah's Witnesses constitutional claim on privacy of records   
    Here in England I used the Data Protection Act to get printed documents concerning ME, that of my Medical Records from my GP, and that of my personal information concerning my time (in the 1960's) in a Children's Home that was government run.
    I wanted more information concerning the employees and management of the Children's Home, and I was told to use the Freedom Of Information Act, to gain more information. However I was told that this extra information would not be mailed to me, and that I would have to visit an office and read through a large amount of files to be able to gain the information. Even then I would not be allowed to take photos or take notes on the files I read.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in 2034 and its significance...   
    Now tell me you do not have hate - OCD.  Same MO over and over.....
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Judge orders stay of Jehovah's Witnesses constitutional claim on privacy of records   
    https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/346544/Judge-orders-stay-of-Jehovah-s-Witnesses-constitutional-claim-on-privacy-of-records
    Who gets to decide the constitutionality of privately held church records is at the centre of a court and privacy commission battle being waged by the Jehovah's Witnesses and two former members.
    A B.C. Supreme Court judge has ordered a stay of proceedings in a case in which the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada sought to challenge British Columbia's privacy laws, saying the matter is best decided by the privacy commission.
    The church had refused to turn over personal records sought by former Jehovah's Witnesses Gregory Westgarde and Gabriel-Liberty Wall.
    Justice Janet Winteringham gave her decision in Vancouver on Monday.
    It involves former members of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Coldstream and Grand Forks who wanted their personal records turned over to them after they left the church.
    The congregations refused the requests, claiming the records were confidential and that compelling production violated their constitutional rights.
    Church elders John Vabuolas and Paul Sidhu have proceedings underway before B.C.’s privacy commissioner on the matter, and Winteringham wrote in her decision that the court challenge versus B.C.'s attorney general be stayed pending the outcome of the privacy inquiries.
    Vabuolas is an elder in the Grand Forks congregation, where Gabriel-Liberty Wall requested disclosure of his personal information in March 2020. Wall was baptized in February 2012, moved to the Grand Forks congregation in 2014, and formally resigned from the church in 2017.
    Sidhu is an elder in the Coldstream congregation, where Gregory Westgarde requested his records in October 2020. About August 2009, Westgarde "made known to the elders he no longer wished to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
    Sidhu described Westgarde’s departure from the church as "unequivocal," despite a trio of elders offering spiritual guidance.
    "Based on our internal canon law, a brief summary of this decision, our efforts, and (Mr. Westgarde’s) response was placed in a confidential file under lock and key," Sidhu wrote in a deposition.
    According to the litigants, "As a part of their spiritual duties, elders may create records about their congregants, particularly as it relates to their religious standing as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The plaintiffs allege B.C.’s privacy legislation does not recognize or respect the confidentiality of these records created in relation to the elders’ spiritual duties and as such violates their constitutional rights."
    The Watchtower sought to stay the privacy inquiries and let the court decide the matter, but the judge disagreed, staying the civil suit against the attorney general's ministry, pending the outcome of the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner hearings.
    The elders maintained that PIPA "violates their constitutional rights of religious freedom, freedom of expression and freedom of association because the legislation fails to protect confidential religious communications and records."
    It seems to be all about power and control, but I would have thought a person should be entitled to have their records as why would the Elders still need them anyway ? 
    Yes I know it's all about diferent laws in different places.  Perhaps I should ask for my personal information here in UK, and see what result i get  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Judge orders stay of Jehovah's Witnesses constitutional claim on privacy of records   
    https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/346544/Judge-orders-stay-of-Jehovah-s-Witnesses-constitutional-claim-on-privacy-of-records
    Who gets to decide the constitutionality of privately held church records is at the centre of a court and privacy commission battle being waged by the Jehovah's Witnesses and two former members.
    A B.C. Supreme Court judge has ordered a stay of proceedings in a case in which the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada sought to challenge British Columbia's privacy laws, saying the matter is best decided by the privacy commission.
    The church had refused to turn over personal records sought by former Jehovah's Witnesses Gregory Westgarde and Gabriel-Liberty Wall.
    Justice Janet Winteringham gave her decision in Vancouver on Monday.
    It involves former members of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Coldstream and Grand Forks who wanted their personal records turned over to them after they left the church.
    The congregations refused the requests, claiming the records were confidential and that compelling production violated their constitutional rights.
    Church elders John Vabuolas and Paul Sidhu have proceedings underway before B.C.’s privacy commissioner on the matter, and Winteringham wrote in her decision that the court challenge versus B.C.'s attorney general be stayed pending the outcome of the privacy inquiries.
    Vabuolas is an elder in the Grand Forks congregation, where Gabriel-Liberty Wall requested disclosure of his personal information in March 2020. Wall was baptized in February 2012, moved to the Grand Forks congregation in 2014, and formally resigned from the church in 2017.
    Sidhu is an elder in the Coldstream congregation, where Gregory Westgarde requested his records in October 2020. About August 2009, Westgarde "made known to the elders he no longer wished to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
    Sidhu described Westgarde’s departure from the church as "unequivocal," despite a trio of elders offering spiritual guidance.
    "Based on our internal canon law, a brief summary of this decision, our efforts, and (Mr. Westgarde’s) response was placed in a confidential file under lock and key," Sidhu wrote in a deposition.
    According to the litigants, "As a part of their spiritual duties, elders may create records about their congregants, particularly as it relates to their religious standing as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The plaintiffs allege B.C.’s privacy legislation does not recognize or respect the confidentiality of these records created in relation to the elders’ spiritual duties and as such violates their constitutional rights."
    The Watchtower sought to stay the privacy inquiries and let the court decide the matter, but the judge disagreed, staying the civil suit against the attorney general's ministry, pending the outcome of the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner hearings.
    The elders maintained that PIPA "violates their constitutional rights of religious freedom, freedom of expression and freedom of association because the legislation fails to protect confidential religious communications and records."
    It seems to be all about power and control, but I would have thought a person should be entitled to have their records as why would the Elders still need them anyway ? 
    Yes I know it's all about diferent laws in different places.  Perhaps I should ask for my personal information here in UK, and see what result i get  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The Last Days... When?   
    The scriptures are exposing the man of lawlessness that stands in the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:3,4 The abomination of desolation/disgusting thing of Matt 24:15,16 is this act of lawlessness.  End time prophesy has to do with the trampling of God's priesthood/Temple by the Beast/the elder body that "stands where it does not belong", as counterfeit priests and who rule, judge, and spiritually "kill" the anointed. Rev 13:5-7,15.  This is nothing new that I haven't already stated numerous times on this forum. 
    The scriptures give evidence, but it seems that even presenting God's word is viewed as "bloviating".  It is not an act of being "holier than thou", it is relying on God's word to give us truth and not on the word of men who twist and change Jesus' teachings, to fit their selfish desires.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    I totally understand.  You will se miracle happening in front of your eyes and will turn around and say: "it should not have happened on the sabbath!"
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    Frankly, I do not care if Scholar is someone else with a double personality or this one is that one is not who they pretend to be!  I say what I think ... and agree here and there....... I do not fall for personality or for so-called scholarliness ......so leave  my so-called gullibility our of it!
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in The Last Days... When?   
    You are going to confuse BroRando. I'd say that he is not BTK, despite any similarities you see.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    A Jehovah Witness would know that Gehenna is not Hellfire....   Gehenna is symbolism as being destroyed as it were by fire.  That's why you never got the weeping and gnashing of teeth, even though that is the state you are in now and will be for all eternity...   Oh well....  guess I'll chalk that one up to Satan.
    Can't win them all, ya know! 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in The Last Days... When?   
    I scanned it for the word "hour" and didn't find a number corresponding to the 12 or 24 hour time measurement systems.
    I was expecting something like 10:31:1914:22:00:00 fmt MM:DD:YYYY:HH:MI:SS.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in The Last Days... When?   
    Which hour?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    YES...we know the hour and day Jesus was enthroned as King.... Yet Jehovah's Day will come as a thief....when?  When the sheep are blessed and marked for surviorship.... since it will be done on an individual basis, Nobody can name a sepcifc hour and day until that Last Sheep recieves his marking for survivorship.
    When the Brothers and Sisters start living beyond the 70 or 80 year mark... know that we are in Jehovah Day.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    True, we know when Jesus started ruling invisibly and we know we are deep in the time of the end... but the Day of Jehovah is getting closer as the alert watchman is seeing signs of activity by the enemy.  But the actual Day of Jehovah is still a mystery!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    Actually, we do know the hour and the day.  What question was Jesus answering?  While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the Sign of your Presence and of the Conclusion of the system of things?” (Matthew 24:3)
    He told his followers what SIGN to look for in that Chapter since he was not returning in the FLESH. Then we also the Book of Revelation that repeats them by the means of the Four Horsemen!  Getty Up!  
    So WHEN was the day and hour of Christs' Prescence and the Conclusion of the System oif things?
    October 1st, 1914 
    It's the world who has No Idea.... They look with Physical Eyes.... Yet they can't SEE the PHYSICAL MANFESTIONS of Christ Presence...  today! 
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    Scripture taken out of context:   “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”i 7  He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.
    They were not even yet anointed when they asked this question.  They would understand things better a little later once they received holy spirit. 
    Down the stream of time we have enough other evidence and many prophecies to help us to see where we are in the stream of time right now!  And talking about "seasons" - Jesus  also referred to the budding fig tree.   One can know the season (but not the day) when the fig buds.   Of course the TIME was too far off for the 12 apostles because the Messiah had just arrived!  - they would not understand.  Further down the stream of time disciples would be able to understand the season is ripe with the fruits (signs). 
    This does not mean we will ever know the DAY and HOUR because only Jehovah knows when the issue of human rulership has been proven to be devastating to mankind  beyond reasonable doubt and requires his intervention. This we do definitely not know!  We can see we are here (the season has arrived) but we do not know how deep this tribulation will be allowed to develop.  By all indications things are really speeding up! The figs are getting riper and riper and the pregnant lady are in birth pains every minute and will not go onto 12 months! LOL. 
    The watchman must be standing on his post and keeping alert! 
    One of the largest banks in China failed this week. (Lehman brothers type). Soon USA will have food shortages and energy crisis!  The tribulation is growing and fear for the future!
    T deny what is in front of your eyes is to deny that figs can get ripe!
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in The Last Days... When?   
    But that's not all Jesus said about what we would know. Jesus added:
    (Acts 1:7) . . .He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.
    Being alert to the fact that the end can come at any moment is good. Always being on the watch that our conduct is proper and that our attitude is proper, and that we serve Jehovah for the right reasons and in good conscience. This is proper.
    (1 Thessalonians 5:1, 2) . . .Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.
    Also, if it were as simple as BroRando makes it out to be, don't you think at least one of the 100,000,000 angels would have figured it out from reading about "tree dream" which Daniel said was fulfilled through Nebuchadnezzar?
    (Matthew 24:36) . . .neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
    What kind of hubris would make any of us think we could know better than the angels?
    Speculation can be fun and entertaining, but if we try to limit the words of Jesus, we might end up actually rejecting those words. And we can end up giving too much credence to "meaningless talk."
    (1 Timothy 1:4-6) . . .nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith. 5 Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6 By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in The Last Days... When?   
    Musing here in this spot for no reason other than it seems as good as any....
    So....opposers generally don't say that they deny God outright, but this is ultimately confused and twisted.
    If JW's don't have God's favor, they never say if anyone else does. By doing this they deny God, by saying he has no witnesses.
    If they say "No, God does have witnesses, but it's just not JW's." you go back and press again, and get the same non-answer, which denies God again as having any witnesses.
    Then they perhaps say "It's an individual thing." and You say "OK, show me the scriptures" Of course there aren't any saying that at least not in the way they are suggesting.
    You try to help them out "Maybe you're saying that JW's are part of the dragnet?" They say "No!...I mean yes!...I mean No!"
    You say "Is anyone part of the dragnet?"
    They say "Yes."
    Then you say "Ok. What part of the dragnet are you associated with? Where are you in the illustration of the dragnet?"
    They don't have an answer.
    If it's an individual decision as to where to be, then isn't it correct too that others may decide differently from them and choose to stay w/JWs? If so, then shouldn't their concern be for themselves and what they are doing to promote the kingdom?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The Last Days... When?   
    I have never said Jesus is the Almighty God.  I don't believe in the trinity.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in The Last Days... When?   
    Many things are improving in these last days. Not everything is getting worse.
    People have to clean up after their dogs, for instance. 
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