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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    Jesus Christ, the great prophet, stated in part of his answer to the conclusion of this system of things or the end of the age, “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) 
    Think about his reply for a moment, here, Jesus Christ makes the claim of not knowing that day or hour.  The firstborn of all creation did not know the day or hour of his second presence and he claimed the angels did not know either. Recall this scripture?  “It was revealed to them that they were ministering, not to themselves, but to you, regarding what has now been announced to you by those who declared the good news to you with holy spirit sent from heaven. Into these very things, angels are desiring to peer.” (1Peter 1:12) 
    What you may find interesting is that date and hour was already embedded in the Bible through past prophecy in the Book of Daniel. The Temple would be destroyed in October of 607 BCE. The “seven times” was a calculation of the Jewish year of 360 days. Simple math 7 x 360 = 2520 days. Apply a day for a year. The seven times is actually a reference to the allotted time limit of the Gentiles. It is a ‘timed event’.
    However, in the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy did point to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    definitely - it is useless to throw pearls before the dogs - ta-ta
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in The Last Days... When?   
    Seems you are also a person with hate-OCD........ H...gh ... one recognizes these kind of people so fast... because they always attack when there is a breaks down in the logical thinking....  this is the MO.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Do all abusers "look" this awful? Or do you mistakenly promote the image of abusers looking messy and neglected? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Yes, if we count few individuals at this Forum, called Jehovah's Witnesses Open Club, with informative topics.
    This Open JW Club is in fact "illegal" in the eyes of WTJWorg and GB and Legal Department. In what sense  "illegal"?  The title of club contains the name Jehovah's Witnesses. I assume that the name Jehovah's Witnesses  is the intellectual property of WTJWorg and should not be used without their consent. Because the club does not have the approval of the GB to promote JW religious ideas beyond/out of the range of official JW religious teachings of the JW Church and outside the official JW channels. Because this club does not have the GB approval to conduct any debate that calls into question the JW religious system. Because there is no GB approval for the discussion to be led by current and former JW members (discussion of this type, ie interaction between current and former members is actually completely forbidden by GB). If the JW elders of the congregations, to which the members of this club belong, learned that these JW brothers and sisters are members of this club and that they are participants in the discussions, they would be invited to serious conversation and at least warned if not rebuked or even excluded / dfd from the JW assembly.
    The claim that JW members are aware of the prevalence of CSA within the JW church is arbitrary and I am not sure that your picture is correct regarding their awareness of CSA. One young brother (approximately 30 years old) told me directly in 2015 that he did not believe in the CSA within the JW and that he did not believe in court rulings in this regard. He recently became an elder in my former congregation. It is to be expected that his position on this issue has not changed, that is, that he is still in a state of denial. CSA is at least 50 years inside WTJWorg. I found about real CSA JW victims with name and face and court rulings only in "secular" sources, not on pages of WTJWorg magazines or their videos.
    Oh man. You are "worst" than them.   If 30 year old JW male member claimed how this are all lies, in 2015, and one GB member made similar claim on JWTV, then problem is not about "how to deal" with something (CSA in this moment), but about general denial that CSA exist inside WTJWorg. Other GB member made different view when made public statements.
     
     
    I'm glad you mentioned that. When I realized that the topic could become a source of misinformation because I didn’t understand the English text in the video well, so I misinterpreted it, deleting the topic was a good choice, in my opinion. If the owner of this Forum thought I should have reacted differently, then he would certainly have warned me about it. But that is his right as the owner, not yours. If I have offended your feelings by deleting that topic, then I apologize to you. I hope that one day in the future you will be able to forget that topic and move on with your healed feelings. 
    Regarding solutions. Your solutions and counsels or recommendations, that without doubt are good, would be, i guess, welcomed in WTJWorg if you deliver to them in writing. WTJWorg is a large system that has millions of members and millions of those associated with them. So, if they got the information you have about solving a CSA problem, you would do a good deed that would benefit millions. 
    On contrary, i am only on this platform, JW Open Club. Please, tell us all here, what are those names of "all over the place" where i am and, allegedly, participate, and supposedly, I make an impact on millions ?   
    And you thought I was an expert on this subject? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in The Last Days... When?   
    Like @xerodid a few weeks ago, you’ve paid up with yearly membership fee with this one.  
    When did Sergeant Shultz become the model for today’s Christian?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in The Last Days... When?   
    WHEN?
    Jehovah says NOBODY knows!
    I am more inclined to believe Him, than any group or individuals that about such things …… without exception ….. have a recorded track record of ALWAYS being 100% WRONG.….. and then change the definition of words to cover it up..
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in The Last Days... When?   
    Something is always happening….. be glad …. Be VERY glad you were not alive during the period in Colonial America during the English/French and Indian wars … or during the carpeting plagues of Europe, where carts went through towns calling out “Bring out your dead!”.
    All that we are experiencing now is just a different variation of “normal” …….. with 24/7/365 news coverage by people that worship at the Church of Covid.
    I personally would rather live now than at ANY OTHER time and place in the past. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.   
    I changed my mind on Brussel Sprouts, hated them as a kid, now I love them!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in The Last Days... When?   
    Misuse of scripture. 
    Clinging to ye olde 1914 theory again. 
    Should read Birth pangs.
    Guesswork and bluffing. 
    Not true.  Jesus was given His authority whist still on Earth, unless you wish to call Him a liar ? 
    Isn't this an Egyption saying ?  Um, very interesting.
    Then stay away from Jehovha's Witnesses. They can't even keep thier own Organisation clean, and they do not have the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. 
    Rando, you are a man of doom and gloom and you work for the Devil.
    It's true that Armageddon is coming 'like a theif in the night' and we do not know when. It's true that we should all try to seve God through Christ. But what you do is all speculation and false prophecy. You will of course be judged for your wicked works.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from the Sower of Seed in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    No one except Jesus has been resurrected yet. All of the dead anointed ones are still in the grave. 
    The first will be last and the last will be first.  They will all be taken up to heaven together. Those True Anointed still living will be 'lifted up' and those in the grave will be raised up, and they will all ascend together. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    WTJWorg and its representatives all these years have not written or said that the JW church has a problem with the CSA. They claim that these are false accusations and slanders by the "hostile world" and former members. Denying that a problem exists is also a type of education that JW members receive from their religious leaders. And you are calling me here that I am against education?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    "Bring to Nothing by the Epiphaneia' of his Parousia" (2 Thess 2:8)  The wicked will SEE soon enough. No need for me to spoon feed you....
     
     
    Strong's Concordance epiphaneia: appearance Original Word: ἐπιφάνεια, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: epiphaneia
    Phonetic Spelling: (ep-if-an'-i-ah)
    Definition: appearance
    Usage: appearing, manifestation, glorious display.
    HELPS Word-studies 2015 epipháneia (from 1909 /epí, "on, fitting," which intensifies 5316 /phaínō, "show forth, appear") – properly, a fitting manifestation (literally, "an epiphany").
    [2015 (epipháneia) is the root of the English term, "epiphany."]
     
    Strong's Concordance parousia: a presence, a coming Original Word: παρουσία, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: parousia
    Phonetic Spelling: (par-oo-see'-ah)
    Definition: a presence, a coming
    Usage: (a) presence, (b) a coming, an arrival, advent, especially of the second coming of Christ.
    HELPS Word-studies 3952 parousía (from parōn, "be present, arrive to enter into a situation")
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The Last Days... When?   
    Which is it, a prophesy or not?  
    "Those who guard their mouths and their tongues keep themselves from calamity"   Prov 21:23
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Last Days... When?   
    "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.  For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,  having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)   The Last Days (pangs of distress) do not last for an exhaustive period of time but do have an ending to them. It's an allotment period of time of 120 years, like the Days of Noah. This allotment is a Conclusion of a System of things. Better times lay ahead of us as the pangs of distress come to their end, but not for everyone. “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev 7:3) Notice that harm to the earth, sea, or trees are being withheld until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed, then a colossal of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled. Time left is reduced and turning back will no longer be a recourse once the 144,000 are sealed, which will bring the end of ungodly people as they begin dying a permanant death with No Ressurection. (The Second Death)   The question about this prophecy is when. Will it be revealed in the future, or are we living it now? In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly.   Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.”   International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."   What does 2034 represent? The Epiphany of Christ's Presence. The Epiphany was spoken of in the same article “END OF WORLD IN 1914?" It represents that Ah-ah moment of the realization of an undergoing prophecy. Jehovah's people will start to notice their health is generally getting better a little at a time and start sharing these revelations with one another. Notice how the wicked and lawless will be destroyed? "Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and Bring to Nothing by the Manifestation of his Presence." (2 Thessalonians 2:8)   This is where it is critical to gain the understanding of what the Great Tribulation is. The Great Tribulation is marked by an outbreak of "Peace and Security!"  During this time of DECEPTION among the nations, the Bible reveals, "Why are the nations agitated And the peoples muttering an empty thing?  The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one." (Psalms 2:1-2)   The Presence of the Son of of Man began in 1914. "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (Matthew 24:7-8)   "For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the Presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:27) Are you gaining the understanding that these things are fulfilled in a Spiritual Manner? Ever since 1914, right-hearted ones have been witnessing the Presence of the Son of man. After 2034, the wicked will also start to gain the understanding that they are really dying and lament all the way to everlasting destruction.   As the Last Days come to their conclusion and the seperating work is completed, even the wicked will SEE but after it is too late! Yes, the Revealing of the Son of Man will soon begin for the 'ungodly' as we head into Christ Millennial Reign.   What is the 'sudden destruction' that comes upon those, once the pangs of distress comes to their end? The Bible reveals it in this manner: "And this is the scourge with which Jehovah will scourge all the peoples who wage war against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot away while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot away in their sockets, and their tongues will rot away in their mouths." (Zechariah 14:12) Those who are figuratively hurled into the lake of fire, die 'the second death' which symbolizes everlasting destruction.    Once 'the wicked' witness the sign of the Son of Man, that's our brothers and sisters (the sheep) living beyond the 70 or 80 years. Gog of Magog will come to destroy God's Name People. At the time, the goats within our 144,000 Congregations will have been separated to join all those on the outside. "In that day confusion from Jehovah will be widespread among them; and each one will grab hold of the hand of his companion, and his hand will come against the hand of his companion." (Zechariah 14:13) So it is written, so it shall come to pass! IF you love Justice, and hate Injustice, why not take a stand today by asking for a Free Home Bible Study or take an Online Bible Study Lesson?   The Great Tribulation. What is it? The Manifestation of Christ's Presence... is upon us. Don't give up, You have a reason to keep on living... The Second Coming... what you don't know, but should...
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to the Sower of Seed in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    According to Daniel 12 this statement is true! What happens there? Daniel is lead along through the ages including today, through Christ removing every enemy and the human resurrection which Daniel was to experience. Verse 13 Daniel is assured a "lot", in fact he may have been shown it and what it will become.
    Proof the End is Near: While the angel speaking to Daniel moves above the waters, Jehovah sends 2 more to document the answer to the question the angel asks verse 7 “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?" the answer 3-1/2 appointed times. Daniel says 8 "Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand." So it is spelled out to him 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand.( ONLY THOSE REFINED IN GOD'S EYES WILL BE ALLOWED TO UNDERSTAND, NO OTHER CHURCH OR RELIGION WILL UNDERSTAND)
    Jesus could not know at the time he was asked because he did not know the date the constant feature would stop. Jesus would also have been knowledgeable about the first fulfillment, yet what is the context? Jesus standing up and the resurrection, yes this applies to the first fulfillment. However in 12:1b it states "And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book." Can that be said of the first fulfillment? NO, Is there any documentation that Jehovah's Witnesses escaped the effects of WW1 or the Spanish Flu by God's hand? No, this is after Armageddon
    Plus verse 2 speaks of a resurrection of those who are later judged unfaithful to God verse 2 "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt". This is not the first resurrection of 1914, for all those were granted immortality upon their resurrection as spirits who join Jesus awaiting Jehovah's command to Go!
    So the angel sent to ask "WHEN" at God's direction, with a third angel as a witness that this is fact, The answering angel raised 2 hands to Heaven as swearing to these facts. There are 2 answers given, 2 United Nations, 2 fulfillments.
    verse 11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days" The United Nation will rule the Earth on and after this.
    Verse 12 “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days!" 
    Why are these Happy? Because this is the first day on Jesus full rule of the Earth with the 144,000! 
    The Only Question Left is " Will You Be Happy Then?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Ex JWs are 'cut off' from communication with JWs and JW children.  
    I know of two men, JWs, one is an Elder. I have reason to suspect them of being capable of CSA. You see I must chose my words carefully here.  I will of course be accused of just being anti-JW.  
    The local congregation quite often has 'dressing up' parties and the Elder wears costumes that other JWs find shocking. That Elder made a comment to a Sister about her two daughters which the Sister was shocked to hear. She told my wife and I about it. This was before i left the 'Org'.   
    The other man came to the local congregation and it seems that no one knows anything about his past. (If the Elders do know then they are keeping it secret) He has made himself 'very friendly' to one of my step daughters and her four young children, mainly the three girls. He gets the girls to sit on his knee.  My wife tells me of these things as my step daughter is still a JW and I'm not allowed to visit her and her family. So I cannot converse with those children that maybe at risk.  On one occasion, it seems, one of the girls was sitting on this man's lap and someone else entered the room, so the child got off his lap and went over to the other person. This man seemed to get very upset and moved seats to be closer to the girl. The whole family have remarked on this but no one has told the Body of Elders about this man's behavior.... My step daughter still allows this man to spend time with her children. As an ex-JW I am an outcast from them. If I make any accusations I will not be listened to or I will be accused of hating JWs. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Sometimes my memory is short. I am not pretending. You speak more than it is necessary, when try to expose other people, supposed/alleged motives and position.  
    CSA is not "test" for victims, but it is "test" for GB and JW elders who put themselves in position to judge people (perpetrators and victims) about it. Who put themselves in position to bring Policy that is obligated for members to respect and obey inside WTJWorg. When JW elders convince a victim that they cannot and must not trust him/her because there are no two witnesses to support his/her claim, then it is disrespect to the victim. I think your claim is misdirected. Disrespect, in this example, cannot be directed at the type of crime, but at the people who experienced that crime on their own skin. Not trusting and not helping a victim who has gone through “hell”, that is disrespect/disrespectful.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Some people get fancy with names, however, the name may not be serious for some, but the actions for the extreme types is insane, some actions I don't think anyone on this forum can stomach.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    Yes there are many groups who combat CSA, you stumbled upon the semi non-violent one.
    This is what I have been referring to for years. There was a boom in groups and factions from 2015 onward (present day) even that concerning vigilantism, even more because of the internet. Reasons being that child abuse as well as abuse towards Women will spawn these groups, more so, some of them bring their own version of justice, which at times, can be violent, hence why regarding CSA there are factions who want activism and or action taking to be aggressive whereas as some do not, the aggressive types then to be the ones who commit to violence, then you have the extreme, going on a warpath.
    Keeping it PG, it does get violent with some for I will not speak of the actions of a few, who do have blood on their hands from legitimate abusers and those unproved to have abused a child, like the PES members.
    There were people who recorded these executions, even putting it on YouTube granted they see this as justice against pedophiles, but not much is said for alleged ones, whereas there was no proof of them abusing children and they lost their lives anyway.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Space Merchant in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 
    As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    @Space Merchant If you don't like the IICSA that is your problem.  I think they are trying their best to do a good job. If I can give them and the Police information then I will, because I think it's the Christian thing to do and I also think it's a legal requirement. 
    Tell me what investigations / organisations the USA has that are investigating CSA in religion ?  
    As for the 'grooming gangs' here in UK, most are non-white, non-english, this seems to have been proven in court cases. But when poeple say that they get accused of racism.  And yes, the UK government is currupt, and greedy, dishonest and selfish, but then so are all politicians earthwide. But once again that is all part of the world, and i don't get involved. 
    The main point that I'm concerned with is that True Christians need a Clean True Organisation guided by True Anointed ones, led by God's Holy Spirit, through Christ. 
    Anything outside of that is part of the world. If a person starts to get involved in trying to 'put things right' in the world, then that person will be side tracked from trying to serve God properly.  
    We ARE living in the Last Days. Whether it will be another ten years or another thirty years. So trying to put worldly things right is just a waste of time. You said yourself CSA will get worse. In fact all things will get worse. So the concentration should be on building an Organisation that serves God properly through Christ. And that Organisation needs to be completely clean. i have faith that it will happen. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    I focus on them because they are the official channels, not just hearsay. I have also given information to the IICSA and had direct emails from them and from Police departments. Perhaps I'm slightly more involved than most people think, but I don't tend to spread it all over the internet. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    But I keep coming back to the point that here in the UK we have had two investigations. The Charity Commision and the IICSA. What are the authorities doing in the USA ? What investigations ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 
    As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 
     
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