Patiently waiting for Truth

Usually the disfellowshipped one is said to be "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses".  If these people are the ONLY ones in the world that will receive salvation, as it is basically taught, then everyone else couldn't be considered a Christian right?  They perceive that any who leave, have no life with God,  no possibility to be redeemed unless they return.  
 w15 4/15 p. 30-31 puts it like this:   "Likewise, disfellowshipped ones who are no longer members of the Christian congregation—their spiritual family—may come to realize what they have lost. The bitter fruits of their sinful course, together with the memories of happier days when they enjoyed a good relationship with Jehovah and his people, could bring them to their senses."
 
 

I think you are a dreamer, but we've been down this road before and you will believe what you want to believe. 
If i remember rightly in one case, the Elders refused to testify against a fellow Elder, using that clergy privilege as the excuse.
Maybe Zalkin or the judge is being paid off by the GB and their Lawyers. 
But tell me please.
Australia had the Australian Royal Commission 
Here in the UK we have had the Charity Commission and the IICSA.
The Netherlands had an investigation and report. 
So what is America doing ? Where is the investigation in the USA ?
Canada, was trying to have a massive million dollar law suit, but I think it wasn't allowed. So what is Canada now doing ?
Seems strange that the Watchtower / JW Org isn't being investigated in it's 'home land'. 
( @Witness mentioned something about the Org making payment to a politician some time back )
The GB will do anything to keep their authority and power.  I think they are paying off someone in America to stop an investigation from happening. 
But of course if you know different. If you know of an investigation into religion in the USA ??? 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Since the royal commission exposed the cruel treatment of victims of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, little has changed. 
But in a landmark civil case, former member Amy Whitby is taking on the secretive religious group in court. 
Eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses around the globe believe that Armageddon is imminent, and the only path to survival is to follow the organisation’s strict rules.
A US-based Governing Body of eight men sits at the pinnacle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these men are anointed as the voice of God on Earth.
All Witnesses are expected to obey instructions and doctrines that influence every aspect of life: Women are considered subservient to men, higher education is discouraged and homosexuality is not permitted.
 

Doomsday images from Jehovah's Witnesses publications. Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
 
The organisation’s in-house production studio and publications pump out fear-driven content that keeps followers afraid that the end is coming and that they are being persecuted by the outside world.
Witnesses are also taught to distrust everyone outside the group.
Just another article about the Watchtower / JW Org, but it shows people's personal opinions. It's worth a read.
So how do JWs expect to teach people 'truth' whilst people have this image of them ? 
 

Well i for one have learnt a lot in the time I've been on here. 
I've learnt how totally 'unChristian' some JWs can be. That includes the GB and their lawyers. (With proof from court cases)
I've learnt how people will deliberately twist the things i write.  I've learnt that some so called 'JW' people will deliberately tell lies about me to get me d/fed from this forum. 
And more importantly I've learnt some things about GB members past and present, and about things the Watchtower have put in writing. 
So extra knowledge has helped me to make a decision not to return to the JW Org. 
But you don't really want to know this. You just want to side track from the main point of this topic.
Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
 
 

But it's food for thought for JWs and non JWs. Sometimes people do not answer questions outwardly, but they do question themselves about things.  As for people changing their mind, how would you know ? Extra knowledge can sometimes make a difference. 

https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/    This is interesting reading. 
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century.  When did they become known as Christians ?  Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ?  Did they call themselves by that name ? 
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian". 
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ?  So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?  
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ? 
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ. 
Mark 9:38-41    Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us   Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name.  Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ?  What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ?  Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ?  Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ?  Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other.  But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there.  BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it.  So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ?  And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ?  I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not.  But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ?  I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God.  So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'.  That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. 

https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

Please give me one real example, of that ever happening, here on the Archive.

There are some good historical quotes on jwfacts from past Watchtower mags and books,  on the act of disfellowshipping.  
Such as..
"Down in Goa the papers have carried notices that anyone having various books by Judge Rutherford would be excommunicated. What a bunch of mean and unmanly scallywags! Remember the blind man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, that when the man told the religious fellows where to get off they excommunicated him (John 9; 34, margin), and his parents before that had feared being put out of the synagogue by the "Jews". Isn't that the same cowardly action of the clergy in these days towards those who desire to have their eyes open and to "see"? "We'll excommunicate you!"" Consolation 1937 Nov 17 p.5
"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301"
Interesting that they say this  is a practice of "Satan's organization".  (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,10,11,12,15)
 
 

That is a LOT OF QUESTIONS.
why anyone would go through the trouble of answering them is beyond me…… Because nobody ever changes their mind here…… Ever.
 

https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/    This is interesting reading. 
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century.  When did they become known as Christians ?  Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ?  Did they call themselves by that name ? 
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian". 
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ?  So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?  
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ? 
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ. 
Mark 9:38-41    Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us   Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name.  Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ?  What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ?  Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ?  Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ?  Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other.  But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there.  BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it.  So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ?  And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ?  I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not.  But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ?  I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God.  So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'.  That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Since the royal commission exposed the cruel treatment of victims of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, little has changed. 
But in a landmark civil case, former member Amy Whitby is taking on the secretive religious group in court. 
Eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses around the globe believe that Armageddon is imminent, and the only path to survival is to follow the organisation’s strict rules.
A US-based Governing Body of eight men sits at the pinnacle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these men are anointed as the voice of God on Earth.
All Witnesses are expected to obey instructions and doctrines that influence every aspect of life: Women are considered subservient to men, higher education is discouraged and homosexuality is not permitted.
 

Doomsday images from Jehovah's Witnesses publications. Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
 
The organisation’s in-house production studio and publications pump out fear-driven content that keeps followers afraid that the end is coming and that they are being persecuted by the outside world.
Witnesses are also taught to distrust everyone outside the group.
Just another article about the Watchtower / JW Org, but it shows people's personal opinions. It's worth a read.
So how do JWs expect to teach people 'truth' whilst people have this image of them ? 
 

https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/    This is interesting reading. 
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century.  When did they become known as Christians ?  Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ?  Did they call themselves by that name ? 
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian". 
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ?  So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?  
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ? 
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ. 
Mark 9:38-41    Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us   Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name.  Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ?  What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ?  Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ?  Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ?  Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other.  But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there.  BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it.  So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ?  And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ?  I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not.  But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ?  I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God.  So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'.  That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. 

https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/    This is interesting reading. 
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century.  When did they become known as Christians ?  Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ?  Did they call themselves by that name ? 
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian". 
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ?  So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?  
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ? 
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ. 
Mark 9:38-41    Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us   Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name.  Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ?  What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ?  Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ?  Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ?  Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other.  But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there.  BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it.  So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ?  And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ?  I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not.  But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ?  I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God.  So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'.  That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. 

They will say it's persecution by Satan.

We need to wait to see if GB will look for “holes in the law” and then try to avoid or delay meeting its obligations to victims. You know, maybe GB is waging a "theocratic war" and has maneuvers on the "battlefield."

https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Since the royal commission exposed the cruel treatment of victims of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, little has changed. 
But in a landmark civil case, former member Amy Whitby is taking on the secretive religious group in court. 
Eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses around the globe believe that Armageddon is imminent, and the only path to survival is to follow the organisation’s strict rules.
A US-based Governing Body of eight men sits at the pinnacle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these men are anointed as the voice of God on Earth.
All Witnesses are expected to obey instructions and doctrines that influence every aspect of life: Women are considered subservient to men, higher education is discouraged and homosexuality is not permitted.
 

Doomsday images from Jehovah's Witnesses publications. Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
 
The organisation’s in-house production studio and publications pump out fear-driven content that keeps followers afraid that the end is coming and that they are being persecuted by the outside world.
Witnesses are also taught to distrust everyone outside the group.
Just another article about the Watchtower / JW Org, but it shows people's personal opinions. It's worth a read.
So how do JWs expect to teach people 'truth' whilst people have this image of them ? 
 

Oh dear another doom and gloom picture, to frighten people. It looks like something from a scary movie  
And oh dear again. BR in back on the 1914 horse, but I think that horse died long ago. 
And now 2034 is no longer THE year, but a beginning of something ? 
And the 120 years of Noah ? Guessing again by putting thoughts into scriptures that God never put there. 
BR, it seems you are a scare monger wanting attention for yourself. 
Shame I'll never know, as I will be long dead before 2034 .  
 

https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Since the royal commission exposed the cruel treatment of victims of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, little has changed. 
But in a landmark civil case, former member Amy Whitby is taking on the secretive religious group in court. 
Eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses around the globe believe that Armageddon is imminent, and the only path to survival is to follow the organisation’s strict rules.
A US-based Governing Body of eight men sits at the pinnacle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these men are anointed as the voice of God on Earth.
All Witnesses are expected to obey instructions and doctrines that influence every aspect of life: Women are considered subservient to men, higher education is discouraged and homosexuality is not permitted.
 

Doomsday images from Jehovah's Witnesses publications. Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
 
The organisation’s in-house production studio and publications pump out fear-driven content that keeps followers afraid that the end is coming and that they are being persecuted by the outside world.
Witnesses are also taught to distrust everyone outside the group.
Just another article about the Watchtower / JW Org, but it shows people's personal opinions. It's worth a read.
So how do JWs expect to teach people 'truth' whilst people have this image of them ? 
 

Yeah ... that boat sailed a LONG time ago, and scaremongering is now painfully obvious, except to the terminally dull.
Besides .... the Scripture clearly warns against EXACTLY what BroRando is doing, referring to such ones as false prophets.
Painfully obvious, and painfully transparent.
At least, it appears he is not collecting money for his Yosemite Sam act.
If he is ... I hope he is getting it in Pudgycoin.
Remember the Pudgycoin motto! - "Pudgycoin, the digital currency for those who can't tell the difference!" (tm)

Oh dear another doom and gloom picture, to frighten people. It looks like something from a scary movie  
And oh dear again. BR in back on the 1914 horse, but I think that horse died long ago. 
And now 2034 is no longer THE year, but a beginning of something ? 
And the 120 years of Noah ? Guessing again by putting thoughts into scriptures that God never put there. 
BR, it seems you are a scare monger wanting attention for yourself. 
Shame I'll never know, as I will be long dead before 2034 .  
 

If I'm not mistaken, there is an even more significant difference between them. A Catholic priest does not form a Judicial Committee of 3 priests, nor does he make a decision on transgression and bring punishment, but as a kind of advocate “liberates / forgives” sins in the name of God, expecting the sinner to be a penitent and no longer commit sin. Is such practice, from both side, good or bad? 
A sinner can be “thankful” if word of his behaviour does not spread further. But this is a criminal act (CSA) and it is no longer an important question whether the perpetrator will feel "embarrassed", but how to help the victim.
For JW elders, it should not be decisive how a Catholic priest acts and how they are treated by the Law and the Court. JW elders, because of their view that they are “true servants of God” placed by God in a leadership position, should have a more enlightened knowledge of merciful and just action / reaction for both parties involved. "Forgive whenever you can, punish whenever you need to."