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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    A more simple answer is, that when i click on news articles it has a message on the screen saying this article is not permitted in Europe for legal reasons. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
     
    Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
    You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the days to come,
    a witness forever and ever.
    9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
    10They say to the seers,
    “Stop seeing visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Do not prophesy to us the truth!
    Speak to us pleasant words;
    prophesy illusions.
    11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
    Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
    12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
    trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
    13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
    a bulge in a high wall,
    whose collapse will come suddenly—
    in an instant!
    14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
    shattered so that no fragment can be found.
    Not a shard will be found in the dust
    large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
    or to skim the water from a cistern.”
    15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
    “By repentance and rest
    you would be saved;
    your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
    but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
     
    Sleeping
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    This is for sure one way how to deal with wicked persons. People's (and animals) life and health must be protected. 
    Are secular courts have no right to be entitled? Well, if so, then you ask or advice us to be independent in/about in determining, at one's own discretion, when one is allowed to lie and deceive institutions that are "appointed by God" to maintain order in human society. This is done by JW lawyers in the courts of "Western democracy".
    If a JW member has the right to do so to “worldly persons,” what guarantee do you give that he/she will not do the same to his own JW members of the assembly or to elders? Because that’s a practice that’s common in WTJWorg. People keep things quiet or even lie about the facts. And, JW people are still people like everyone else, right?
    So, i would say, the example you gave is justified. But if so, then this is true for all people and in all situations for which an individual deems it justified to lie. If there are exceptions in which we may lie or misrepresent facts, then you (JW people) are no different from “secular people” who have the same kind of argumentation about their actions.
    Lying for "the truth" is allowed, and lying for a "lie" is not allowed.    So, Pilate was not mad after all when he asked Jesus, What is the Truth? 
    What will be "the truth" when JW lawyer open his mouth? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Withholding information from people who are not entiteled to it is not lying. For example, would you tell someone who wants to harm your family, where your family is hiding? I am sure you would not. You may even purposefully send them in the opposite direction. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
    “No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    If I may,
    God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
    “God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
    God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
    “Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
    Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
    This is their future if they do not change:
    “Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,..... Ps 1:1
    counsel - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counsel
    Synonyms: Noun
    advocate,  attorney,  attorney-at-law,  counselor  (or counsellor),  counselor-at-law,  lawyer,  legal eagle Synonyms: Verb
    advise,  confab,  confabulate,  confer,  consult,  parley,  treat WTJWorg literature is full of counsels, instructions, directives, dogmas and teachings. Plenty of them is questionable. Thus, the problem may be in the person giving the advice and in the content of the advice. Often times, giving advice in the JW assembly, is at the level and in the form of a request and obligation to accept the advice. In that case, if the advice of the JW elders is not accepted, it could mean that such a person is "marked" as disobedient, stubborn and the like.
    But let us ask ourselves this; What could be the advice, from WTJWorg lawyers, also elders, on whether to tell the truth or still be allowed to lie and deceive? The Bible says, don't lie. WTJWorg publications say that it is allowed to lie in order to protect the WTJWorg organization. Enough, right, about the types of advice from a JW organization?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    I wish I could argue with you on this, but it makes too much sense. Especially, "every public statement is a lie, or a deemed lie."
    Oh dear gauuuuuud! Something to eat, of course....
    Thank you for clearing that up for me Pudgy
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    The United States of America has in the past 8 months transitioned from "The land of the free and home of the brave", to petulent, insane and demented brain dead Zombie precursors where every public statement is a lie, or a damned lie, and they are printing money without any value whatsoever far beyond the ability of all the drunken sailors that have lived since the beginning of time to spend (at least they were spending their OWN money ....).
    Since the Taliban now has a 3/4 trillion dollar Air Force (Build Back Better), it would be treason to let any real truth escape to Europe, currently being overrun by Muslims, or Asia, currently being overrun by Muslims.
    It is suspected that after the Taliban decapitates all the civilian populations, the heads will be frozen and shipped to America, traded for atomic weapons, so that the Political Class may have something to eat.
    ...hope I cleared that up for you ......
     

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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
    This is not just going to go away. It has to be dealt with. Hopefully the GB will be brought to account.
    BUT I keep coming back with the question 'What has happened to the 25 year CSA / Pedophile database in the USA ?
    And then what happened to the CSA situation in Canada ? 
    Here in England it seems a lot of news from the USA is blocked, 'for legal reasons'. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses releases world’s 1st complete sign-language Bible   
    Yes the GB/Watchtower/JW org are quite good at physical things, but not so good at spiritual things. 
    A bit like producing a wonderful map, but the map takes you in the wrong direction. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    🙂  Spoken like a true elder "shepherd". Ezek 34:1-16; Jer 23:1-3; John 10:7-15
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A1-16%3B+Jer+23%3A1-3%3B+John+10%3A7-15&version=CSB
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Then why do you want me to worry about my English and your ability to understand my bad grammar?  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    As far as you worrying about other people, don't you have your hands full with yourself?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Aren’t I hearing the song from her:
    ”Regrets, I’ve had a few, but then again too few to mention.
    My foes, theirs I accrue, for which I want your full attention.” ?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Apologize for my poor English  
    From reaction made by other people here i see that they understand what was said.
    More serious consequences arise when people who write texts for WTJWorg “distorting, twisting, contorting, screwing up” the minds of their readers .... PS ....and listeners.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Well it's clear that a lot have processed whatever they're processed and decided that staying was better than leaving. Look at all the Catholics who are still Catholics after the chronic and ongoing mess of pedo-priests. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Will there be any updates to the verse by verse commentary on Revelation?   
    I think there is a scripture that says something like "You are not far from the kingdom of God" 
    But the question must be then, Do you think a person has to be a Baptised JW to be saved at Armageddon ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I never expected my local congregation to do anything. I just did what I felt was right for me to do. 
    I must admit that I thought a lot of others earthwide would also have left the JW Org at the time. Maybe they did and i never found out. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    And that is why I'm PATIENTLY WAITING FOR TRUTH. 
    BUT, in the meantime, I will continue to follow my Christian conscience and give warning about the lies, hypocrisy and immorality in the Watchtower / JW Org. And I will continue to show the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the GB in their dealings with CSA and the Pedophiles in the Org. In my opinion it is the Christian way to warn others of danger, both spiritual and physical. 
    I've been told by many on here that the GB cannot be weeded out anyway. That is rubbish of course, because God and Christ can remove anyone they want to. When it happens, then we shall find truth. 
    There are so many true Anointed ones that God through Christ can use to replace the GB. 
    The scripture that you quoted from Matthew would be referring to people inside the Org. BUT what I'm referring to is the ones that have put themselves in the place of the Master, namely your GB. 
    The strange thing is, the Elders / Circuit Overseers are constantly weeding / disfellowshipping people. Did Jesus tell them it was their job  ??? 
    Are the Elders deliberately uprooting the wheat ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Are you a politician ? You act like one. Sly persuasive words. 
    Now how about the idea of 'taking down' anyone whom you see working against God's will ?
    Such as the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org that are deliberately insulting God and Christ. 
    Remember the Nation of Israel.  Remember Jerusalem. Remember it's destruction. 
    Having a form of Godly devotion,,, 2 Timothy 3 : 5
    Berean Study Bible
    having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 
    Giving false promises, false dates for Armageddon, has caused stumbling, it wasn't 'doing God's will' 
    And CSA, well I've no need to explain. The blood guilt lies on the hands of the W/t leaders. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Or, if you are the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, then you spend your time playing with numbers and dates to pretend you know more than other people do. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I have to agree that this does make sense. Though I would think there are cases where people have a right to have an attitude if they've been incorrectly dealt with.  I must admit that the Elders, in more than one congregation, were 'on my back' about some things, but I was never D/fed. 
    Please be balanced enough to accept that some of us leave because of the immorality within the JW Org. I make it clear that I left because of the CSA earthwide in the Org, and because of the dishonest way it was being dealt with.  I felt that the Org was not a safe place to invite families into. I have since found other reasons not to return, but i have not gone looking for an alternative 'Christian' way, nor have I turned my back on God or Christ. Please think again on those last few words of your sentence above. Who was that tolerated pedophile Elders and M/s in congregations of JWs ? 
    This is now an important issue to me. I could not hand out Watchtower magazines or books from the GB / Org if I did not agree with the things written inside them. 
     
    I'd love to see that in a Bible study. Telling a student to read a paragraph from the book, and then saying, 'well actually you don't have to believe that because it's only what the GB write. it might not be true'  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
    This is not just going to go away. It has to be dealt with. Hopefully the GB will be brought to account.
    BUT I keep coming back with the question 'What has happened to the 25 year CSA / Pedophile database in the USA ?
    And then what happened to the CSA situation in Canada ? 
    Here in England it seems a lot of news from the USA is blocked, 'for legal reasons'. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I never expected my local congregation to do anything. I just did what I felt was right for me to do. 
    I must admit that I thought a lot of others earthwide would also have left the JW Org at the time. Maybe they did and i never found out. 
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