Patiently waiting for Truth

The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12
But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.
"Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10
Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.
 
 

That guilt will also include every single JW that continues to seek guidance from the governing body:
”False prophets and those who seek their guidance will all be punished for their sins.” Ezekiel 14:10

Because of false predictions God was against the prophets of Israel.
'This is what the Almighty LORD says: Your predictions are false, and your visions are lies. That is why I'm against you, declares the Almighty LORD.” Ezekiel 13:8
and God doesn’t change (Numbers 23:19), so by connecting the dots we can see who God is against today.

I take this back.  They know more than I give them credit for.   They have tried to shut down Pearl Doxsey's  blog many times over the years.  They have stolen phrases from her writings and incorporated them in their talks.  It is as Splane said, "this is war" - of truth against their lies.   They are diligent at sending out their spies to shut down all who reveal their lies.  

I have just been commenting on a Facebook topic and I made a point of stating that one reason people have lost faith in God is because the JWs have been working against God by their making false predictions for Armageddon. 
Can you imagine how many people will have been turned away from God by the stumbling blocks of the Watchtower / JW org ???????? The guilt that the Watchtower / JW Org and GB must carry for all their lies and false prophecies. 

I have just been commenting on a Facebook topic and I made a point of stating that one reason people have lost faith in God is because the JWs have been working against God by their making false predictions for Armageddon. 
Can you imagine how many people will have been turned away from God by the stumbling blocks of the Watchtower / JW org ???????? The guilt that the Watchtower / JW Org and GB must carry for all their lies and false prophecies. 

I suppose that's why some people are terrotists. They haven't found anything better. So they just go on killing people. 
The Watchtower / JW Org does the same but in a sly way. They kill people spiritually and d/fed people and tell families not to talk to them. Hence some people commit suicide, but the JW's don't care. 
They still allow CSA and still hide the Pedophiles in the Org. And then they tell all the JWs that it's all lies, whilst at the same time paying out thousands in hush money.  Are they still hiding that Pedophile Database in America ? 
The pathetic one is you and any other JW that sticks with the Org because you are frightend to serve God through Christ.  
One point being that by staying in that Org you are agreeing to teach Lies to other people. You know that a so called Bible study is 75% reading from a GB written book, and 15% chatting, leaving only 10% real BIBLE study.  And even that is from the Watchtower 'inspired' Bible.  
I can understand that you and other JWs don't want to see how much damage your Watchtower/JW org/GB, have done and are still doing to people. 
Those core teachings from the scriptures which you harp on about have been known by the Bible Students for over a hundred years and more. So, all the Org has done is to put lies on top of it all. False predictions, man made rules, and harshness. And as @Witness mentions, the treading down of the Anointed by the Elders, which is one of the rules from the GB. 
I actually think it is very sad that JWs continue to deliberately sin, just becasue they don't know a 'better way' to live. 
 

I have just been commenting on a Facebook topic and I made a point of stating that one reason people have lost faith in God is because the JWs have been working against God by their making false predictions for Armageddon. 
Can you imagine how many people will have been turned away from God by the stumbling blocks of the Watchtower / JW org ???????? The guilt that the Watchtower / JW Org and GB must carry for all their lies and false prophecies. 

This couldn't have been more clear.  
I think that they put the total blame for failed teachings on the leadership.  I have even heard JWs question if they are guilty or not, for following leaders who sorely miss the mark.  The reigns are so tight, that no matter what is taught, they feel obligated to recognize those whom they have been told "Jehovah" has picked to lead them...and of course, as it is always brought up, these men are "imperfect".  What a strong, persuasive trap that has developed.  
"Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience."  Eph 5:6
"The same judgment will happen
to both people and priests.
I will punish them for their ways
and repay them for their deeds."  Hos 4:9
"Then I heard another voice from heaven:
Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins
or receive any of her plagues.
5 For her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes."   Rev 18:4,5
 

I suppose that's why some people are terrotists. They haven't found anything better. So they just go on killing people. 
The Watchtower / JW Org does the same but in a sly way. They kill people spiritually and d/fed people and tell families not to talk to them. Hence some people commit suicide, but the JW's don't care. 
They still allow CSA and still hide the Pedophiles in the Org. And then they tell all the JWs that it's all lies, whilst at the same time paying out thousands in hush money.  Are they still hiding that Pedophile Database in America ? 
The pathetic one is you and any other JW that sticks with the Org because you are frightend to serve God through Christ.  
One point being that by staying in that Org you are agreeing to teach Lies to other people. You know that a so called Bible study is 75% reading from a GB written book, and 15% chatting, leaving only 10% real BIBLE study.  And even that is from the Watchtower 'inspired' Bible.  
I can understand that you and other JWs don't want to see how much damage your Watchtower/JW org/GB, have done and are still doing to people. 
Those core teachings from the scriptures which you harp on about have been known by the Bible Students for over a hundred years and more. So, all the Org has done is to put lies on top of it all. False predictions, man made rules, and harshness. And as @Witness mentions, the treading down of the Anointed by the Elders, which is one of the rules from the GB. 
I actually think it is very sad that JWs continue to deliberately sin, just becasue they don't know a 'better way' to live. 
 

I suppose that's why some people are terrotists. They haven't found anything better. So they just go on killing people. 
The Watchtower / JW Org does the same but in a sly way. They kill people spiritually and d/fed people and tell families not to talk to them. Hence some people commit suicide, but the JW's don't care. 
They still allow CSA and still hide the Pedophiles in the Org. And then they tell all the JWs that it's all lies, whilst at the same time paying out thousands in hush money.  Are they still hiding that Pedophile Database in America ? 
The pathetic one is you and any other JW that sticks with the Org because you are frightend to serve God through Christ.  
One point being that by staying in that Org you are agreeing to teach Lies to other people. You know that a so called Bible study is 75% reading from a GB written book, and 15% chatting, leaving only 10% real BIBLE study.  And even that is from the Watchtower 'inspired' Bible.  
I can understand that you and other JWs don't want to see how much damage your Watchtower/JW org/GB, have done and are still doing to people. 
Those core teachings from the scriptures which you harp on about have been known by the Bible Students for over a hundred years and more. So, all the Org has done is to put lies on top of it all. False predictions, man made rules, and harshness. And as @Witness mentions, the treading down of the Anointed by the Elders, which is one of the rules from the GB. 
I actually think it is very sad that JWs continue to deliberately sin, just becasue they don't know a 'better way' to live. 
 

Using this as an excuse for CSA and hiding Pedophiles doesn't work. You can pretend it's 'slander and distorted facts' if it gives you a better conscience, BUT the truth is out there for all to see. 
And this is so funny. 
No ? Really ? Then why the long list of failed dates for Armageddon ?  

I suppose that's why some people are terrotists. They haven't found anything better. So they just go on killing people. 
The Watchtower / JW Org does the same but in a sly way. They kill people spiritually and d/fed people and tell families not to talk to them. Hence some people commit suicide, but the JW's don't care. 
They still allow CSA and still hide the Pedophiles in the Org. And then they tell all the JWs that it's all lies, whilst at the same time paying out thousands in hush money.  Are they still hiding that Pedophile Database in America ? 
The pathetic one is you and any other JW that sticks with the Org because you are frightend to serve God through Christ.  
One point being that by staying in that Org you are agreeing to teach Lies to other people. You know that a so called Bible study is 75% reading from a GB written book, and 15% chatting, leaving only 10% real BIBLE study.  And even that is from the Watchtower 'inspired' Bible.  
I can understand that you and other JWs don't want to see how much damage your Watchtower/JW org/GB, have done and are still doing to people. 
Those core teachings from the scriptures which you harp on about have been known by the Bible Students for over a hundred years and more. So, all the Org has done is to put lies on top of it all. False predictions, man made rules, and harshness. And as @Witness mentions, the treading down of the Anointed by the Elders, which is one of the rules from the GB. 
I actually think it is very sad that JWs continue to deliberately sin, just becasue they don't know a 'better way' to live. 
 

I’ve been here 5-6 years and left several links to articles explaining why the Wt exists, and where truth can be found, and what to expect for spiritual food in the last days. I can’t give you an address, I can give you a website.  I have left links to spiritual food offered by one chosen by God, to reveal the end time message to His people. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)   I haven’t kept it a secret, but I’m not sure what you want, another organization?  This isn’t God’s plan. (John 4:24) I am part of a small congregation that understands what is about to happen to the GB and then to the organization. (Rev 19:20) They know that the “man of lawlessness” evident in the organization as the elder body, will be destroyed by God’s word in Jesus Christ ,at his coming. (2 Thess 2:7,8)  They know that truth is being restored.   We are close to all of these things being fulfilled.  This is the time not only of the great tribulation, but of the “marriage feast”, and all are invited.
Think about it.  The Wt. admits that Revelation's scrolls won't be opened until...after Armageddon?  And they tell JWs that these scrolls hold information that will be used in the Kingdom?  No.  These scrolls EXPLAIN Revelation. (Dan 8:26)  They explain what Armageddon is about.  Since these men have no insight, who told them that the scrolls  haven't been opened by Christ yet?  And what about the "marriage feast of the Lamb"?  When is that to occur?  Do they know?  They know nothing, but pretend they do.  And we know how far that has gotten them.  There are inspired anointed ones today, who are given understanding of what to expect in the last days.  
You are wise to see the hypocrisy and can detect the lies.  I just think your faith is somewhat lacking. I think we all struggle with that at times. We let our own desires rule our spiritual decisions, instead of letting God and Christ lead us where we should go.   I haven’t held back the invitation to understanding, but always offer it to anyone interested who is leaving the Wt.  (Matt 22:8,9)  The “marriage feast” is the opening of Revelation’s scrolls. (Rev 1:1,2; 5:9,10) It is insight into God's Word.  It tells us how the message of all of the prophets comes together at the time of the end.  (Rev 22:6)   I still encourage you to have faith and approach God.  Ask Him if I am wrong.  If you truly want to know where to find truth, ask Him.

And to think when I was assigned the thread—it wasn’t my idea—entitled ‘TrueTom vs the Apostates,’ which went on to inspire a book of the same name, I had JTR and Witness, along with Top Cat O’Malihan, on the same side!
I misjudged JTR back then, and I apologize for it, but he was behaving outrageously at the time. Now he has moderated enough for even a clod like me to see the distinction. 
The final transgression that earned me my Scarlet Letter A was when I suggested that my three ‘apostates,’ though seemingly on the same page, doubtless would not be able to stand each other in person. At some length, I detailed the reasons why. That’s what did it. Admin made the Librarian (that old hen) take the entire thread down and yell at me!
I wrote TrueTom vs the Apostates! to assist anyone who has been stumbled at charges apostates make and thereafter no one is able to help them because they don’t know what is there themselves. It’s for them. Nobody else is allowed to read it. Look, don’t try to bluff me on this. I’ll know.
It is available as an ebook and also in Amazon print. Easily found online.
 

Well, Witness ....
By not being able to recommend something better, you are like a handheld GPS with no batteries.
... useless.
 

Your first approach is to ask God, in sincerity.  Mal 3:10
You need more scriptures.  Matt 7:7,8; John 8:31,32, and consider reading uninhibited, the Greek scriptures.  
God doesn't disappoint if our hearts are truly searching for truth. 

We all know that Jesus was very concerned about the Christian Congregation ... so ..... if Jehovah's Witnesses, warts, scabs, drool and all, are not with whom we should be associating with ...... then who?
Specifically?
Where and who, ( a name, address, zip code is the specificity required) is the Congregation that is the "real deal"?
Give me  a better choice, and I will leave what I know in a New York second.
But I will need to know why the better choice really is the better choice.
Without specific proof of something better, your very best observations, reasoning, and logic is nothing more than light entertainment.
No more.
 
 

He already offered you something better.  Jesus Christ.  
 
I don't think it's clear to him, otherwise he would consider that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and the only WAY to the Father.  John 14:6
 

I wish JWs could see the blasphemy of calling an earthly organization, “God’s organization.”, or “Jehovah’s organization”.  This is a corrupt world, and the organization has conformed to its corruption. HOW CAN IT NOT?   It can’t be ignored.   Why would a blameless God delight in hearing His people call something corrupt, as belonging to Him?  He doesn’t lower His standards.  Only people do.
 “Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.”  Rom 12:2
That right there, is the problem.  JWs have a hard time discerning what is good and pleasing to God. There have been countless lies and false promises told by the its leadership, from the very beginning of the organization's development; and it continues - in the magazines, from the podium, in the videos, in the court systems, and in the judicial committees.  All appears acceptable, and all, comes from "Jehovah's organization".
This is blasphemy.
"God is not a man, that He might lie,
or a son of man, that He might change his mind.
Does He speak and not act,
or promise and not fulfill?"  Num 23:19
He doesn't lie.  So why does His "organization" lie?   Do JWs really believe that saying their organization belongs to God, is giving Him praise and glory?
 
  
 
 
 

That is a good thought, but probably very simplistic .... opposers, like everybody else, do what they know.
There is the drunk to whom the determination to drink supersedes all else, and blames the Organization for the consequences come with that, and
There is the drunk who hangs onto the Organization because he has seen the consequences of stumbling, and realizes that with all their deficiencies, they are less than his own.
... of course, there is no shortage of drunks, or reasons to be one....
... nor shortage of opposers, or reasons to be one.
Reminds me of the man who was trapped on an island in the middle of a river. He prayed to God to save him, as the waters got higher and higher, and he started climbing a tree.
A Fire Department rescue boat came by, but the Captain was an ugly midget, so the man waved them off.
Next a helicopter hovered overhead, and lowered a cable with a rescue ring, but the ring swung into his face head and hit him, man held onto the tree, as so far the water was only to his waist.
As the water rose and the current bent the tree over, it finally dawned on him he was about to die and he prayed "Oh God!, I am going to die, why did you not save me?"
... and God answered, " I heard your prayers, and I sent a boat and a helicopter .... you did not like either one."
 

So then what you are saying is that it is your purpose in life to piss on something without offering anything better—to take away but not give. Isn’t that sort of a pathetic occupation for a grown man?

Strikes me that opposers are hanging on to the organization like a drunk man does to keep from stumbling.

"The key tenets"...... , in other words we can call that "core teachings" ?
Given some of our previous discussions, can we say that for these basic things of belief every JW member should be willing to give his life, and for all other doctrines to think better about what he believes in?
Unfortunately, you are repeating the wrong premise here, known to many. Most, if not all JW members, have learned something to hold on to like a drunk holding a fence to keep from stumbling. And that is that idea how there is no life outside the Organization, that is, they have a dilemma about which other organization they could go to if they leave this one.
Ex JWs don’t exist to offer you anything. Also, no other people in the world exist to offer you, JW, something better, or to put you in a new, different organization. If you believe in Jesus, then I guess it has become clear to you that he has the words of life, and that he is the way, the truth and the life. You are burdened with the idea of an (old, new) organization that should/would resemble the one you now belong to.
 

Of course. “You can’t always get what you want,” as someone recently drummed to. Nobody gets everything his way. There are things about the earthly organization that are not as I would prefer. 
But the choice is not now, nor has ever been, between the people who are tacking this way and that and the people who are sailing straight and true without deviation. The choice is between the people who are tacking this way and that and the people who have sailed off the edge of the earth. The key tenets: no immortal soul, no trinity, use God’s name, kingdom a real government, everlasting life on earth, why God permits evil, exactly how the ransom works, what happens to the dead, preserved nowhere except in the realm where the GB presides—that has to make an impression with anyone in whom love of truth resides. 
I’m struck with how when people leave Jehovah’s organized worship, they never ever mention these tenets again. The very factors that drew them into the faith are now dismissed as though of no importance. It certainly is true of detractors here who would draw people away. The blemishes of humans taking the lead are drawn out, exaggerated, or even make up, as though they did not all have their counterparts among the first century apostles and presbyrs. Press the detractors for where they would have you go instead and they clam up. They have nothing to offer.
In the case of those who still believe in God, it is back to the land of churches, where in time, the bland junk food will reassert itself: All roads lead to heaven, God works in mysterious ;ways, Death of a child is because God needs another flower in heaven. How is that not like the dog returning to his own vomit?
in the case of those who have gone the atheist route, it is like a market crash where millions are transformed into hundreds. “Ah, well, they were only paper gains anyway,” says the spiritual dullard giving up on everlasting life to go celebrate the hundreds he still has left. 
It is no good harping on the blemishes of others, real, imagined, or enhanced. The enemy in the West wants exactly what the enemy in the East wants—to separate Witnesses from their organization, with the confidence that they can be more easily assimilated that way. The only difference between them is the difference between the good cop who would coo at you and the bad cop who would beat you. They want the same. Should you acknowledge the blemishes of fellow believers  it nonetheless does not change the overall picture. It fits right in with how things were in the first century, where they also had blemishes. It’s how imperfect people are.
Pray to God that he fix your personal woes and beefs and he will respond that he has underlings who can handle the job. It is enough that he will listen to you and provide nourishment night and day. Complain to him that the underlings are imperfect and he will observe that you are no great shakes yourself—you will just have to learn to make do.
 

Anyone reading the Bible would see that the people whom God led w/an organization tacked this way and that. The leaders bore the brunt of censure should they have tacked wrongly. Nonetheless people would observe and decide that they felt that "irregardless" of the tacking, that they were confident that the group was heading in the right direction. I don't see that there ever has been universal agreement among members of the groups of God's people. Not in Bible times and not today either. This lack of Swiss thought engineering isn't an issue for me now, nor has it ever been.