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César Chávez
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César Chávez reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.” - Homer Simpson
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
So are you trying to pretend that only JWs understand the ransom ? If the first man Adam was created and 'came to be a living soul' or living 'being', then it follows that Jesus also 'came to be a living soul' or 'living being'. But you metion 'the soul of Jesus' as if it was a seperate thing.
I understand that each human must have a 'life source' and that the 'life source' would return to God when the human dies, but that is not a 'soul'. It is not a seperate living spirit that lives on.
However, in my opinion, people that consider themselves very 'intelligent' or ' more intelligent than others ', tend to over complicate matters. Jesus was human and the main difference was that he was the perfect human. He died as a human and was resurrected as a spirit. He appeared in 'human form' after his resurrection, to prove to people that he had been resurrected, and probably so as not to frighten them.
If Jesus didn't die completely then the ransom would not have been paid. It was only with his death as the perfect human that he paid the perfect price. But it does not take being a JW to know that. I knew that at twelve years old, long before I knew anything about JWs.
As for your last sentence, perhaps you should rethink it. You sound as if you are commiting a lot of people to death.
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César Chávez reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Thank you Cesar, for these quoted scriptures. The points you make are VERY valid, and the quoted scriptures specifically backs them up.
It sure conflicts with the natural tendency of humans to go on "witch hunts"
I am sure one day my Guardian would like to actually become the man I think he is.
It is the natural tendency for all dogs to forgive all humans.
Perhaps that is why, it is generally said, that
"All dogs go to Heaven".
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Ah ha ! You should use that to describe the GB of your many 'orgs'. Or, in fact to describe all the leaders, past and present, of your W/t CCJW JW Org et al. But the reason you use it on me is because you are full of hate. Hate for me and hate for truth.
Keep quoting your lady friend if it makes you happy. You seem hung up on her.
I'm laughing at your weak way of playing the Emperor's New Clothes idea. Your way of thinking is, if a person doesn't agree with everything you say then you just say that person is stupid. But the things you say are so weak and false.
I remember being told that watching or reading wicked things in like a bullet going through your head. You are letting that wickedness pass through your brain just like a bullet would, and the damage it does is tremendous. Well it seems by all the worldly things you quote that you are letting a lot of worldly / wicked things pass through you brain, and, the damage it is doing to you can be easily noticed in the words you write.
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César Chávez reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Oh, come now! It is not possible for anyone to be so obtuse! You are putting me on!
Look, Witness, and KickedFace, and Matthew4 5784, and Shwiiiiiiiiii and Sreckohehehe ))))), and several others all want what you want—the destruction of the JW organization. They all are using the CSA issue to that end. But they are all smart enough not to provide proof positive of it. None of them are so stupid as to say:
“I am only interested in the CSA within the W/t, CCJW, JW Org, and their other orgs / titles. The reason being that the GB et al keep spouting that 'God and Christ trust them' and that JWs have the ONLY true religion / way of serving God.”
Is it any wonder that, in my moments of weakness, I yield to that weakness and call you a dodo. This is my greatest persecution—right here.
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César Chávez reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." -- Homer Simpson
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César Chávez reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
You consistently wear such a huge “Kick Me” sign on your behind that I find it hard to resist.
But I am trying. You remember this line from the other thread?
“Is it possible for you not to notice that you exactly validate what [Holly Folk] says?”
It was originally: “Is it possible that you are so stupid so as not to notice that you exactly validate what she says?”
I changed it (trust me on this) not because my assessment of your brightness had increased. I changed it so as to be instructed by several here who are better than I at “not paying back injury with injury.”
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
I gave my exact reason for my name change. Thanks to @xero for a link to an article about God's name, and to @César Chávez for jolting my conscience on the matter. But you Tom seem to need to dig at me for any reason.
And when a lawyer posts specific information about cases that could be verified, it is not trolling. Yes they are after business just as you are.
Oh look tom must be trolling on his every comment because he is advertising his ebooks.
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César Chávez reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
In all probability, the reporter saw a Watchtower in the trash, and that was enough for them to be “devout Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
Within the last few weeks, 4Jah (who for some inane reason, has changed his name—perhaps because “jah” now offends him) has posted a lawyer’s trolling for clients as though it was cutting edge reporting. And Witness heralded some rumor about Watchtower and the ARC and almost immediately had to take it back as it proved false.
No one has time to unravel them all, but this will prove to be something similar. Or it may be just as you said, an end case of dementia or a mate who could no longer see the other suffer. As to somehow it becoming the fault of elders, we routinely hear of atrocities committed today and it turns out that the persons had been reported previously to police. But they receive so many of these reports, from so many persons, that they can’t possibly keep up, and such reports fall through the cracks. There is at most a quick visit by a social worker to pronounce counsel was given & all is now okay, and then a mass shoot-em-up occurs.
Charles Manson’s greatest contribution to society—some would say his only contribution, was to say: “It used to be that being crazy meant something. Nowadays, everyone is crazy.”
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César Chávez reacted to Arauna in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
I visited an old age home as a reporter many years ago in Africa. The Afrikaner whites are an extremely religious people.
They showed me a sweet looking elderly couple in their 80s. The old lady became hyperactive due to 'adrenal issues' and was on the go (hyperactive) in excess. The old man was a very relaxed quiet type of guy.... not easily roused.
Once day a nurse came into the room and the old man was strangling the old lady. They had to put them in separate rooms from then on and watch them.
Yes, living confined with dementia or other health issues can bring out the worst in anyone / or in each other. The JW elder may not have taken the old man seriously enough to report him to a psychiatrist or to the police. What else could he do? Remove the old man from his own home?
These are issues which are hard to deal with in the elderly..... and not all end up in real murder.....The man is still head of his own household and it is a tragedy the situation was out of control. Some old people also get a controlling streak which aggravates with age. Having served god for many years I will leave it in the hands of Jehovah to judge the situation. Maybe the old man could not watch her suffering any longer ? His frustration with her was too much?
I do not have a 'blanket' respect for all judges after seeing the level of lawless judgments in USA, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ. It is like the period before the Israelites were exiled from Jerusalem.... Judges were more corrupt than the people to benefit themselves. I see a similar pattern today. So do not take this judge's censure too seriously. There are good judges and useless ones. This one just wanted to get back at JWs. He is not a thoughtful person.
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César Chávez reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
.... sigh .... and all this time I thought it was Trump's fault ......
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César Chávez reacted to Witness in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
I’m sure its because JWs are high profile, and appear very meek and clean cut. Catholics and Baptists blend in with all people. A person can be a Catholic and still be accepted as a gambler, a bar hopper, a smoker. Anything out of the understood ordinary for a JW, especially something like this murder, is brought to the attention of the community.
I’m also sure most people in the world don’t realize that the leaders of the organization’s mantra is making sure that only the outside of the cup is clean. (Luke 11:39)
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César Chávez reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Everyone knows that Baptists and Catholics have an extremely "flexible" religion as to badness .... what with all the in which witch burnings, inquisitions and what-not .... and that the JWs give lip service to being above all of that.
When dog bites man ... it's not big news.
When man bites dog .... it is !
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short. Matt 24 v 22.
The words of Jesus recorded at Matthew 24 v 22
"In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short".
I think this scripture is interesting in many ways. Firstly it shows the importance of the Chosen Ones to God and Christ. So should those Chosen Ones not be important to all true Christians ?
Secondly, does this not wipe out any reason for looking at dates or times ? A certain person quite new to this forum, or maybe just an AKA, seems to think he/she knows the exact year of Armageddon. But of what use would it be of knowing, when this scripture says "those days will be cut short" ? Surely God or Christ will assess the situation as time passes.
But the main point here is that God and/or Christ will act on behalf of the Chosen Ones.
Berean Literal Bible
And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened.
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in SpaceX and Falling Debris
But @Pudgy , you talk about other people's insecurity, yet you find the need to pretend you are a dog . Oh dear...
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César Chávez reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Surely you know how to find it? Just type in Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in the ebay search bar. I came up with 87 results.
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Very poor excuses Billy. Quite funny when old JW books are for sale on ebay and elsewhere.
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César Chávez reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
This form is circulating on facebook. I can dig deeper if you like, to find the source. What I am understanding, is that during the October 2017 Annual Meeting, it was stated that the yearbook and other publications, would cease. The Yearbook is listed on this form.
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
https://www.ebay.com/b/Antiquarian-Collectible-Books-Jehovah-Witness-Watchtower/29223/bn_55470279
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Well I have previously said they have spies on here
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César Chávez reacted to Srecko Sostar in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance
KH are also sold in Croatia. For one KH in Zagreb, the price is 700,000 Euros (on sale from 2019).
If your predictions are correct about money, then the decision to sell KH en masse is not helpful, because the state can “nationalize” buildings, but also money. Where is the money from the sale of KH? In banks or in WTJWorg safes? Or is it investing in other real estate and businesses?
Some world events and processes affect all people, sometimes regardless of their ideological, religious or social and economic or any other status. So it seems to me that it may be an exaggeration to talk about JW as the only group of people who will suffer the most from adversity or be the only target by the secular world.
People can meet in their apartments, houses or other public places to maintain social contacts in order to develop and maintain the social aspects of direct socializing.
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César Chávez reacted to xero in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance
We'll never stop needing to get together as far as I can see.
A physical inspection of the sheep and how the sheep interact with each other in groups is essential to knowing if they are physically, spiritually and emotionally healthy.
People can easily hide and even in meetings, but it's hard to hide in perpetuity if you're regular in meeting attendance IN PERSON.
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César Chávez reacted to Matthew9969 in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance
Actually I'm only on the internet during my lunch hour, so I definitely don't have the free time you apparently do to take cheap shots at people and insult them.
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César Chávez reacted to Matthew9969 in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance
More money for the governing body to live higher in luxury.
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César Chávez reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance
IN ASSOCIATION WITH CHRIST JESUS, just in case you missed that. It doesn't say in association with the Watchtower or JW Org. But once again that scripture is for the True Anointed ones. It is the 'body of Christ' that is 'in association with' Christ Jesus.
You do know that God intends to shorten the 'last days' of Armageddon on account of those True Anointed ones, don't you ?
Matthew 24 : 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."