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https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Since the royal commission exposed the cruel treatment of victims of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, little has changed. 
But in a landmark civil case, former member Amy Whitby is taking on the secretive religious group in court. 
Eight million Jehovah’s Witnesses around the globe believe that Armageddon is imminent, and the only path to survival is to follow the organisation’s strict rules.
A US-based Governing Body of eight men sits at the pinnacle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these men are anointed as the voice of God on Earth.
All Witnesses are expected to obey instructions and doctrines that influence every aspect of life: Women are considered subservient to men, higher education is discouraged and homosexuality is not permitted.
 

Doomsday images from Jehovah's Witnesses publications. Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
 
The organisation’s in-house production studio and publications pump out fear-driven content that keeps followers afraid that the end is coming and that they are being persecuted by the outside world.
Witnesses are also taught to distrust everyone outside the group.
Just another article about the Watchtower / JW Org, but it shows people's personal opinions. It's worth a read.
So how do JWs expect to teach people 'truth' whilst people have this image of them ? 
 

So, 'appeals court'. That means that the GB and / or their Lawyers do not want justice to be done. They do not want to follow Christ's footsteps in showing mercy.  They do not want to 'go the extra mile'. The GB.
And this 'American' law, encouraging Pedophilia. This case proves that the congregation Elders knew that the man was a Pedophile, but they did NOT warn the congregation. 
Any JW that can live with this obviously has no Christian conscience.  We are back to 'Collateral Damage',  and all for the sake of the idol, the JW Org and it's GB 

An exercise in futility.
"Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward."  Job 15:31

Now, three years later, an appeals court has eroded her courtroom victory even further by ruling that the leadership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses had no duty to warn congregants that a confessed child molester was one of their own. As a result, judges eliminated the punitive damages in the case. Conti still stands to receive $2.8 million.
And GB welcomed that by both hands? How about WTJWorg publications and Bible verses on issue that, in fact, including same principle. GB and JW people are so concern about warning "wicked people about Armagedon" but failed to warn own people, own members about evil persons inside congregation. What absurdity! What hypocrisy! What a shameful behavior!
Can You Do More to Warn Others?   
JESUS WAS NEVER OFF DUTY
Jesus’ example is noteworthy in that he never considered himself to be off duty. He preached to everyone he encountered, be it a tax collector he passed on the road or a woman he met at a well during a midday pause. (Luke 19:1-5; John 4:5-10, 21-24) Even when he set aside time to relax, Jesus ungrudgingly abandoned his plans in order to teach others. Compassion for his neighbors caused him to offer more than a token witness. (Mark 6:30-34) How is Jesus’ sense of urgency being imitated today? - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20131015/do-more-to-warn-others/
 
The Time for a Watchman like Ezekiel
This anointed class has acted on what Jehovah said to Ezekiel with these words: “Son of man, a watchman is what I have made you to the house of Israel, and you must hear from my mouth speech and you must warn them from me. When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will positively die,’ and you do not actually warn him and speak in order to warn the wicked one from his wicked way to preserve him alive, he being wicked, in his error he will die, but his blood I shall ask back from your own hand.”—Ezek. 3:17, 18. -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1981088?q=duty+to+warn&p=doc
 

When someone destroys evidence (documentation) from which misconduct/incorrect treatment can be seen, then destroying evidence is tantamount to concealing/hiding evidence. Because, both, destroying and hiding evidence does not contribute to improving the CSA prevention and punishment of those who break the law. It just means more harm to crime victims. Past, present and future victims.
 

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You do love to aim it at the UK, But I do wonder if some places like India, Pakistan and surrounding areas, and Africa, have a much deeper problem with CSA that is not known about worldwide. 
Statistics can only show what is already known. There must be far more going on that is not known. 
We have some idea how women are treated in some of those countries, so why would they be nicer to children ? 
I don't know what this is supposed to mean as some Elders were allowed to continue for years in their position even though it was known that they were pedophiles. And some that were d/fed were then allowed back into the congregations. And how many more are still hiding in the JW org. 
What has happened to that massive 25 + years American Pedophile Database that the GB keep hidden and will not hand over to authorities ? The Australian records went back for 50 years. That was made clear at the ARC. BUT the GB say they only have 25 years of records. Why ? As the W/t / JW Org started in America they should have records of over 50 years. So what are the GB hiding ? And why would you be on their side ? 

When you say, "none of them went back to their churches," are you speaking of the alleged perpetrators or the alleged victims as being the
➡ "none of them [that] went back to their churches?"
So the churches you are referring to would be the Kingdom Hall's, correct?
 
 

Ha Ha   You got the first bit right for sure. BUT neither God/Christ nor the Bible 'speaks' to the GB in a special way.
They have proven that by their many 'mistakes' and false promises. Come on Tom admit it. The GB have nothing except a lot of puffed up pride and self serving bragging. They even stand on top of the Anointed ones and tell those Anointed ones not to meet together. 
Does the Bible tell your GB to order the Body of Christ not to be as one ? Hypocrisy  
 

Essentially, knowledge means familiarity with facts acquired by personal experience, observation, or study.......Source of Knowledge. Jehovah is actually the basic Source of knowledge. Life, of course, is from him and life is essential for one’s having any knowledge. (Ps 36:9; Ac 17:25, 28) Furthermore, God created all things, so human knowledge is based on a study of God’s handiwork. (Re 4:11; Ps 19:1, 2) God also inspired his written Word, from which man can learn the divine will and purposes. (2Ti 3:16, 17) Thus the focal point of all true knowledge is Jehovah, and a person seeking it ought to have a fear of God that makes him careful not to incur Jehovah’s displeasure. Such fear is the beginning of knowledge. ................Unless a person exercises faith in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, he cannot grasp the real meaning of the Scriptures and see how God’s purposes are working out in harmony with what He has foretold. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002643

@Space MerchantYou believe there is no depth to the meaning of God's word, that Assyria, the "son of destruction" and its demise, cannot be projected to the father of destruction, Satan himself?   Read Ezek 28
Jesus comes to "destroy" death - destruction, ruination, and the father of death - the Destroyer. 1 Cor 15:26  He has conquered death, and he will put an end to the destroyer through the condemnation of God's word, which is like "fire".  Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10
Isa 33:1 - "Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee."
"spoilest" - to ravage:—dead, destroy(-er), oppress, robber, spoil(-er), × utterly, (lay) waste.
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8
"devour" - "drink down, swallow down/up, destroy"
And what did Jesus say the "robber" did?
"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."  John 10:10
Judas Iscariot was the "son of destruction", the "man of lawlessness", a thief and a killer, just like his father.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Who do you defend, you and all JWs with you -  the one who brings life, or the one who causes ruin?
Exod 12:23 – “When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.”
The word for “destroyer” here, means “to corrupt, go to ruin, decay, pervert, to be rotted”.  This is exactly the opposite of what salvation (saving one’s life) in Jesus Christ who came from the Father, offers us. God’s Spirit in the Son, is the breath of LIFE.
“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
When God removes His protective spirit, the Destroyer steps in. He abandons us to the wicked choices we make.
1 Cor 10 - 
“But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us test Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.”
As I've brought out, the meaning of destroyer in verse 10 is, “a ruiner, a venomous serpent”. 
And as I have mentioned, we’re all aware of who the “venomous serpent” refers to.  (Gen 3:1)  Both Exod 12:23 and 1 Cor 10:10 show that the destroyer, the “ruiner”, in these accounts refer to Satan.
“Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”  John 10:7-10
 Through deceit, the Destroyer and his ministers, have successfully convince millions of JWs throughout the years, that the Father and His Son are the destroyers of life. And, with great success, Satan has led God’s people into idolatry once again through their idol, "Jehovah's organization".  (2 Cor 11:4,13-15)  
Jesus does not carry both the spirit of destruction and ruin, and the spirit of life.  That is what Paul warned us that would happen - "another Jesus" is being taught by you and the Wt. 
Just wonderful, isn't it?  It is called, "confusion (by mixing)"  the  meaning of "Babylon", and it is described in Isa 5:20 - 
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"  
You can worship a God and His Son that brings life that they have created, to ruin, if you like, but I will not.    I choose to be on the side of life.  Deceit is darkness and death and destruction and ruination...and it is Satan's playground.  That appears where your belief that God and Jesus are the destroyers, lies. 
What a dangerous pit to be in , when the giver of life returns.  
 
 
 
 
 

Sorry but i think it's so funny how the Watchtower / GB / helpers et al, make themselves so obviously hypocritical and deliberately liars.  I don't actually believe there is a 'Faithful and Discreet slave' as yet. Jesus will decide when He comes to judge us all. But, oh dear, how those GB and their helpers will themselves need help when Jesus arrives. 

I wish I could argue with you on this, but it makes too much sense. Especially, "every public statement is a lie, or a deemed lie."
Oh dear gauuuuuud! Something to eat, of course....
Thank you for clearing that up for me Pudgy

That happened to me few times too.

A more simple answer is, that when i click on news articles it has a message on the screen saying this article is not permitted in Europe for legal reasons. 

Contributed by a poster on reddit:
"Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"
 
Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)
These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.
1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed
1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour
1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave
1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message
(from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)
1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts
1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work
1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger
1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel
1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave
1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave
1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that
1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.
1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.
1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave
1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave
1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.
1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave
1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings
1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave
1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave
1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time
2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed
2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters
2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919
2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave
2007 All anointed Christians
2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class
2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave
2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days
2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed
2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.
2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919
2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings
2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)
2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.
2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave
Now that's crystal clear, you may get baptised.
 
One of the latest rumors, is that the only "faithful slave" (Matt 24:45) is the "governing body" of today. It is asserted that there were NO "faithful slaves" previous to the men which now rule over the international organization who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".
We know that when a house is built on sand, it shifts and cracks. It must continually be repaired and patched up to "whitewash" it's intrinsic growing imperfections (Ezek 13:12,11,13; Acts 23:3; Matt 23:27). For those who make a home from such walls, that "house" of doctrines will come to ruin (Matt 7:27; Prov 19:5,9). Such is the case with man-made doctrines of error (Matt 7:26). For those who take shelter in and send forth such lies, the scriptures at Isa 28:11,14,15,17-22,29 find their home. (Dan 5:25-27,30; Luke 12:20)

Why did Jesus put the identity of the faithful slave in question form? (Matt 24:45)?
Because he listed two distinct options before his slaves (Matt 24:46,48-51).
It must be noted, that if the governing body is the only slave, it is also the only identity that can fulfill the wicked steward....not the so-called "apostates" which they "beat". (Isa 667:5; John 16:1,2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; 6:9; 20:4; 17:6)
From - Who is the "Faithful Slave"?
 
 

Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
 
Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
and inscribe it on a scroll;
it will be for the days to come,
a witness forever and ever.
9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
10They say to the seers,
“Stop seeing visions!”
and to the prophets,
“Do not prophesy to us the truth!
Speak to us pleasant words;
prophesy illusions.
11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
“Because you have rejected this message,
trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
a bulge in a high wall,
whose collapse will come suddenly—
in an instant!
14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
shattered so that no fragment can be found.
Not a shard will be found in the dust
large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
or to skim the water from a cistern.”
15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
“By repentance and rest
you would be saved;
your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
 
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A rough parallel is dogs .... The Disney Character Pluto is Mickey Mouse's dog, and he walks on four legs and has a tail as thin as a clothes line, a collar, and makes normal dog sounds.
Another Disney Character is a dog, wears clothes, and a vest, and walks around on two legs, and can talk just as good as Mickey Mouse.
....and that's just Goofy!
So, which one is lying?
I suspect rules are different if you live in a two-dimensional world, of paper.
..... tell me about it !

This is for sure one way how to deal with wicked persons. People's (and animals) life and health must be protected. 
Are secular courts have no right to be entitled? Well, if so, then you ask or advice us to be independent in/about in determining, at one's own discretion, when one is allowed to lie and deceive institutions that are "appointed by God" to maintain order in human society. This is done by JW lawyers in the courts of "Western democracy".
If a JW member has the right to do so to “worldly persons,” what guarantee do you give that he/she will not do the same to his own JW members of the assembly or to elders? Because that’s a practice that’s common in WTJWorg. People keep things quiet or even lie about the facts. And, JW people are still people like everyone else, right?
So, i would say, the example you gave is justified. But if so, then this is true for all people and in all situations for which an individual deems it justified to lie. If there are exceptions in which we may lie or misrepresent facts, then you (JW people) are no different from “secular people” who have the same kind of argumentation about their actions.
Lying for "the truth" is allowed, and lying for a "lie" is not allowed.    So, Pilate was not mad after all when he asked Jesus, What is the Truth? 
What will be "the truth" when JW lawyer open his mouth? 

I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
“No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”

If I may,
God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
“God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
“Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
This is their future if they do not change:
“Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12

https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
This is not just going to go away. It has to be dealt with. Hopefully the GB will be brought to account.
BUT I keep coming back with the question 'What has happened to the 25 year CSA / Pedophile database in the USA ?
And then what happened to the CSA situation in Canada ? 
Here in England it seems a lot of news from the USA is blocked, 'for legal reasons'.