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Kick_Faceinator reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims
Blocked?
What are the legal reasons?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims
The United States of America has in the past 8 months transitioned from "The land of the free and home of the brave", to petulent, insane and demented brain dead Zombie precursors where every public statement is a lie, or a damned lie, and they are printing money without any value whatsoever far beyond the ability of all the drunken sailors that have lived since the beginning of time to spend (at least they were spending their OWN money ....).
Since the Taliban now has a 3/4 trillion dollar Air Force (Build Back Better), it would be treason to let any real truth escape to Europe, currently being overrun by Muslims, or Asia, currently being overrun by Muslims.
It is suspected that after the Taliban decapitates all the civilian populations, the heads will be frozen and shipped to America, traded for atomic weapons, so that the Political Class may have something to eat.
...hope I cleared that up for you ......
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
“No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
If I may,
God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
“God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
“Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
This is their future if they do not change:
“Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
“No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
If I may,
God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
“God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
“Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
This is their future if they do not change:
“Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
“No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
That is a very good scripture to apply to your leaders who continuously rely on fabrications of their own mind, to lead God's people. (Jer 14:14)
Perhaps you are interpreting my resistance to approach a body of elders for spiritual support that you believe I must need, as being stiff-necked? I don’t think you understand God’s use of “stiff-necked” in the scriptures. It concerns God’s people not following His commands, and Christ’s teachings. (Exod 32:8-10; Acts 7:51) If needed, I receive my counsel and refinement from the Father and the Son. (1 John 1:7,9,10; 2:1; 3:2,3; 5:3; Eph 4:20-24) The GB have created their own interpretation of God’s word that diverts from scripture. You even mentioned that the magazines are simply interpretations on the word of God, which indicates no solid ground for truth to be established. (Matt 7:26,27) Their goal is to refine JWs according to an earthly organizational method under the influence of their word, that you seem to prefer. No. They are not my mediator, an organization made up of elders is not my mediator, who have usurped the anointed priesthood in Christ, (2 Thess 2:3,4) and who gives advice by the guidelines of a confidential scripted book. Are your methods the same earthly methods of your leaders? ( Phil 3:17-21; James 3:15)
“So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast day or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, ("messengers"....was it you who mentioned that JWs tend to "worship" the GB? Someone did) intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.” Col 2:16-23
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
If I may,
God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
“God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
“Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
This is their future if they do not change:
“Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,..... Ps 1:1
counsel - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counsel
Synonyms: Noun
advocate, attorney, attorney-at-law, counselor (or counsellor), counselor-at-law, lawyer, legal eagle Synonyms: Verb
advise, confab, confabulate, confer, consult, parley, treat WTJWorg literature is full of counsels, instructions, directives, dogmas and teachings. Plenty of them is questionable. Thus, the problem may be in the person giving the advice and in the content of the advice. Often times, giving advice in the JW assembly, is at the level and in the form of a request and obligation to accept the advice. In that case, if the advice of the JW elders is not accepted, it could mean that such a person is "marked" as disobedient, stubborn and the like.
But let us ask ourselves this; What could be the advice, from WTJWorg lawyers, also elders, on whether to tell the truth or still be allowed to lie and deceive? The Bible says, don't lie. WTJWorg publications say that it is allowed to lie in order to protect the WTJWorg organization. Enough, right, about the types of advice from a JW organization?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Then why do you want me to worry about my English and your ability to understand my bad grammar?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
🙂 Spoken like a true elder "shepherd". Ezek 34:1-16; Jer 23:1-3; John 10:7-15
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A1-16%3B+Jer+23%3A1-3%3B+John+10%3A7-15&version=CSB
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Apologize for my poor English
From reaction made by other people here i see that they understand what was said.
More serious consequences arise when people who write texts for WTJWorg “distorting, twisting, contorting, screwing up” the minds of their readers .... PS ....and listeners.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I can name several defects that I have and I continually ask for forgiveness. One thing I don’t do, is teach millions of people that they must obey me, no matter what I say. I don’t put myself before Jesus Christ. I don’t lead millions of people into idolatry, a grave sin that I committed for over 30 years and which I have asked God to forgive me; for listening to spiritual harlots who have broken their covenant with Jesus, and becoming one myself by consuming their lies. I don’t tell people that Armageddon will be here in a certain year, and when it doesn’t occur, blame my listeners for jumping to conclusions.
I don’t exalt earthly treasures above spiritual “treasures”/knowledge of God’s Word. Can your leaders live without their organization, their compound, their hopes and dreams to be filled on this earth…in Satan’s domain?
Their sins are not the slight ones. They have committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit, by damning the anointed in Christ, who speak against their lies.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Every written change of previous interpretation in the WTJWorg literature is proof that what I have commented on is not an echo of empty words. Your own publications produce "sound", and make it to sound in both ways. To looks like have "scriptural support" and to looks like have "non-scriptural support".
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Xero reminds me, with this statement of his, of two elders who told me personally after I asked them about a similar thing, that they, from the podium, say only what the literature says even though they are not personally convinced that it is true. And another thing, they (two elders) claim that they do not mention controversial things or explain them when preaching.
Do such elders really have face and say they represent, stand for the truth?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
What does a "witness" for God witness about? Other things to fill out their day instead of their testimony for truth?
By the way, "witness" in Greek means "martyr". We don't know how many anointed and others were "killed" by men (who act as "kings") in judicial committees for the last several decades for their "witness" to truth in God's word. Are those df'd, the apostates, or were they exposing their apostate "governors"?
Why did they become martyrs like the apostles with the early anointed and believers in Christ?
They filled their day as much as possible, with their testimony of truth. Rev 11:3,7; 13:5-7,15; 12:11
“You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. ("congregations") On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit." Mark 13:9-11
"They will put you out of the synagogue ("congregation"); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God." John 16:2
Do you see? This is the direction of the end time preaching work - to "Israel", the anointed and those with them. Matt 10: 23 To the "apostates" that have dominion over the anointed and all, who remain captive to empty philosophy. (Col 2:8)
"Of course, we are living in the world, but we do not wage war in a world-like way. For the weapons of our warfare are not those of the world. Instead, they have the power of God to demolish fortresses. We tear down arguments and every proud obstacle that is raised against the knowledge of God, taking every thought captive in order to obey the Messiah." 1 Cor 10:3-5
What is the "fortress" of protection for JWs?
And just as a child seeks his parents’ protection when a storm rages, we seek protection in Jehovah’s organization when, like a thunderstorm, the problems of this world strike us. wt 11/4/15 pp 3-5
Sounds like idol worship, doesn't it. Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I never expected my local congregation to do anything. I just did what I felt was right for me to do.
I must admit that I thought a lot of others earthwide would also have left the JW Org at the time. Maybe they did and i never found out.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
What did the apostles do? What was their homework?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
I do believe those in the world who want to "know" the GB just need to tune into the website and take a listen to their videos. Their deficiencies are REAL.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Deal with the discipline of people who are not inspired, but act as if they are on par with the apostles?
No, never. The point is to defend truth, not those who exalt themselves and their doctrine, over Truth in Jesus Christ. We are to make a noise when we know that truth is not being upheld. (Eph 5:11)
Are we to defend men or the Father and the Son?
"Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ." Gal 1:10
We can't please God or Christ and please men who expect us to accept their false teachings.
What is the point of Armageddon if not to exalt the Father and the Son in Truth, through our testimony? Why does "Michael" stand up in the last days if not to defend the Father in Truth? (Acts 3:20,21; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Dan 12:1)
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Gal 1:6-9
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims
The real reason this injustice occurs? To protect a facade... the Image of the Organization, as a spotless spiritual paradise (Jer.6:13-14; Eze.13:10; 22:27; 34:2-4; Acts 20:29) (Rev.13:14-15,12,8; Isa.48:1-2; Jer.7:4; Matt.24:23).
The innocent who do not honor that false Image of divinity, are slandered and expelled (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6-7; Ps.12:5; Matt.7:15; 12:7; Jer.23:2; 22:3; Rev.11:7; 17:6; Zech.11:15-17) (Eze.45:9; Isa.59:3-9,14-15; 32:7; Amos 5:12). (Ps.94:21; Rev.20:9; Micah 7:3; 3:10-11; 1Thess.5:3)
"My Master is Delaying/Two Witness Policy
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in God’s Kingdom Quietly Removes Its Enemies since 1919....
Wow, more dates, to pretend you actually know something.
I'm waiting for the day you tell us that you are inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
The problem here is that the International Bible Students split in fractions, and Rutherford took over part of it and made the Organisation. Now it seems that even Russell wasn't inspired by God. Some JWs on this forum say Russell wasn't even of the Anointed.
So, where do you draw the line as to who are and who are not Christ's brothers ? Or are you just a salesman for the GB's multi Org businesses ?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in God’s Kingdom Quietly Removes Its Enemies since 1919....
“Now we ask you, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to him, 2 that you not be easily shaken from your composure, nor be troubled either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter alleged to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has arrived. 3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:1-4
What is the first event that you see happening? An announcement is made that the “day of the Lord as arrived”. Who announces it? Someone “alleged to be from us” – from an anointed one, or one who claims to be anointed… or, a “false apostle”. Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13; Rev 2:2
Who do you know in the world – either in politics or religion - that has made an announcement that the “day of the Lord has arrived”? The only leaders that I know who have made such a statement, are the leaders of your organization!
@Kick_Faceinator had a great quote related to this from the Wt., which I can’t find, but these will do:
BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began. w88 10/15 pp. 15-20 By the time the Lord’s day began in 1914, Britain had built the largest empire in history and the United States had become the greatest industrial power on earth. w12 6/15 pp. 14-18 Thus, when the Lord’s day dawned in October 1914, there were still true Christians on earth. re chap. 6 pp. 27-32
“The Lord’s day” began in 1914, according to whom? According to your leaders who claim to be part of “Israel”, or those who claim that they are part of the Body of Christ. This is the same thing as saying “the day of the Lord has arrived” – 2 Thess 2:3
Can you see this? Can you see that this “day” doesn’t arrive until…
#1 – the rebellion occurs by the “man of lawlessness”
#2 – he sets himself up in the Temple of God. And where are the Temple “living stones found”? The “man of lawlessness” must exalt himself over those who are “sons of God” – “gods” – the anointed! 2 Thess 2:4; John 10:34,35 How will this happen in the world of other religions and politics?
#3 –“the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth, and wipe out by the appearance of his coming” - the arrival of the day of the Lord. (2 Thess 2:8)
Who has done this? Who has set himself up in the Temple of God? No one other than THE ELDER BODY - THOSE MEN WHO CLAIM CLERGY PENITENT PRIVELEGE IN THE COURT SYSTEMS!
Clergy: “religious leaders, especially Christian PRIESTS, ministers, etc”
EVEN THOUGH ONLY THE ANOINTED ARE APPOINTED BY GOD AS PRIESTS, YOUR ELDERS HAVE ASSUMED THIS ROLE AND IT IS THE DISGUSTING THING STANDING WHERE IT DOESN’T BELONG! (Dan 11:23, 31-33; Mark 13:14; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) THEY ARE NOT ASSIGNED BY GOD TO BE PRIESTS, OR TO REPRESENT THE ANOINTED! (Ezek 28:2; Rev 11:1,2)
THIS ORGANIZATION HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGAN IN 1914, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TO IGNORE, ‘NOT TO BE EASILY SHAKEN’, ACCORDING TO 2 THESS 2:2
THIS ORGANIZATION IS WHERE THE “MAN OF LAWLESSNESS” IS FOUND. GOD’S WORD SAYS THAT ANYONE WHO REPLACES HIS APPOINTED PRIESTS WILL BE DESTROYED. (NUM 3:10)
2 THESS 2:1-4 PROVES THAT 1914 IS A LIE!
STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!
Do you realize that your magazines apply Eph 4:7,8 to the elder body? Yes, they do! Do you believe the elders received these gifts? Not according to Eph 4:4,11,12. Your elders not only act as priests but as the anointed Body of Christ. They may as well call themselves anointed!
"He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change times and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.[e] 26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’" Dan 7:25-27
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
If I may remark, it would then mean that GB should stop calling ex-JW with expressions as; ex-JW are "apostates, enemies, poison" and the like.
Also, JW members' "bible-trained consciences" would disregard the GB directive on how to treat former members.
What you mention is commendable. Generally speaking. Generally understood. Generally applicable. But apart from you a few who talk to us here and a few who do it with us personally where we live, it is an rare exception to WTJWorg policy.