Kick_Faceinator

I'm sure you have made a Storm Trooper very happy today  but you don't seem to understand that from my viewpoint I didn't need to answer his questions.  SM was also pushing me to answer questons about homosexuality and immorality.  He was getting very domineering about it all..... Now if I had suffered from anxiety or depression i would have been very upset by SM's continuous pushing of questions. I don't think he knows how much harm he could do. But I was laughing at SM because i could not tkae him seriously. You seem to take SM very seriously. That is your choice. 

That’s an excellent question. I like the parable of the Good Samaritan. When in doubt I believe it sets the best example that Jesus gave. Just replace man lying half dead on the street with gay person (Luke 10:25-37). Out of the priest and the Levite who shunned their neighbor, the Samaritan was the only one Jesus commended that didn’t shun his neighbor lying half dead on the street. He had mercy on the man, cared for him. Jesus never went onto say whether the beaten man was gay or straight, it didn’t matter, the Samaritan not only helped the injured man, he showed love for him regardless. That is the one who Jesus Christ said will inherit eternal life.
25 “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
27 “He answered, “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 “But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Luke 10:25-29
We all have gay neighbors.
“For the entire Law has been fulfilled in one commandment, namely: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14
If we wish to inherit eternal life, we must love them.
Anything else and we would fulfill the prophecy of having no natural affection, shunning (2 Timothy 3:3). 

Oh, well, the topic is "TRUTH TRUTHER TRUE. THE WORDS LOSE THEIR MEANING IN OVER USE", and in this rare case, I thought I actually stayed on topic!

Dear SM, you entered into a debate.  You set the rules, not @Patiently waiting for Truth, the person who began the topic.  It was you who made it a regulated debate under rules you enforced.  I hope you can see that. 

Srecko that made me laugh, because it is so true. A perfect answer, well done  

You are closer to their thinking than I am. I can only quote their allegations that could give a possible answer to your question. But since you read their publications yourself, I am convinced that you can guess what the explanation for your objection to their translation of the Bible might be. That in the sense, “we are not inspired", "we are not perfect", "we thought", "Jesus thought" and the like.

A man calls himself a TRUTHER. 
Another man calls himself TRUE 
And an Organisation says they have the TRUTH.
But Jesus says (recorded at Matthew 9 :13.
Berean Study Bible
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
God's word is TRUTH, that is real truth.  The Pharisees had the Hebrew scriptures, so it could be said that the Pharisees 'had truth'.
So why did Jesus condemn the Pharisees ? Because the Pharisees were hypocrites. They knew those scriptures well, but used it to be dictators of the people. 
Hence the scripture above. Almighty God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. That scripture proves it. 
Unfortunately those words TRUTH or TRUE are now thrown about so much they have lost their real meaning. And if a Person or an Organsaition needs to use it as a title then what does it show ?  
Well here on this forum it seems to show that such people could easily be the type very similar to the Pharisees. Sticking to the Law, but avoiding the Mercy.  
Of course no true Christian would condone immorality. No true Christian would take part in immorality either. But, no true Christian would lack that Mercy that Jesus instructed either. 

@Kick_FaceinatorThere was still some interaction between the family and it is obvious of where the mindset is, a Western mindset since the was a Philosophy coined. More so there was a limitation (limited). As pointed out, depending on the person(s), their reaction differs, and granted the every story is Left Leaning, hence NYT, anyone who shows some ill reaction and or not approving of for same sex relationship is automatically branded as homophobic, regardless of religious standing. More so, it lies in the acceptance of the conduct or not - which is clear because the family in question does not accept same sex relationships, thus them being uncomfortable and act in this manner is evident. This is the same case with some of the Bi and Pansexual stories pushed by the Left, granted all their articles concerning the LGBTQ community is to emphasis and push more and more people to accept the person's conduct.

That’s an excellent question. I like the parable of the Good Samaritan. When in doubt I believe it sets the best example that Jesus gave. Just replace man lying half dead on the street with gay person (Luke 10:25-37). Out of the priest and the Levite who shunned their neighbor, the Samaritan was the only one Jesus commended that didn’t shun his neighbor lying half dead on the street. He had mercy on the man, cared for him. Jesus never went onto say whether the beaten man was gay or straight, it didn’t matter, the Samaritan not only helped the injured man, he showed love for him regardless. That is the one who Jesus Christ said will inherit eternal life.
25 “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
27 “He answered, “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 “But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Luke 10:25-29
We all have gay neighbors.
“For the entire Law has been fulfilled in one commandment, namely: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14
If we wish to inherit eternal life, we must love them.
Anything else and we would fulfill the prophecy of having no natural affection, shunning (2 Timothy 3:3). 

I answered you above, and I'm sorry I do not know how to speak or write in French.
You indeed seem to think and write like a Pharisee.  My answer above does not deflect the question, BUT I can tell that your real reason for asking is not because you want a true answer.  You attitude is that of a Pharisee. You want to live by the LAW not by God's love through Jesus Christ.  
Tell me then, does God see a difference between Homosexuals and Homosexuality ? 
I wish I was clever enough to find the reference where by @JW Insider suggested that at one time a member of the GB was 'probably' a homosexual. 

Oh ! you of little faith. What is your aim with this question ?  You speak like a Pharisee........... 
I've already made it known in the topic above.  We know it's wrong because we believe God's word and God's word tells us homosexuality is wrong. 
However the point of the topic was that different JWs handle the situation differently. 
So tell me, when you do ministry do you refuse to teach homosexuals ?  Do you actually refuse to speak to homosexuals ? 
Did Jesus refuse to speak or even eat meals with immoral people ? No.  Remember that those ones that Jesus spent time with were Israelites, who would have known the Law and known what God loves and what God hates. 
You should read Luke 7, from verse 36. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/magazine/homosexuality-jehovahs-witness.html
The magazine’s Ethicist columnist on how tolerance may hold together a family whose members have very different beliefs and values.
 
Aug. 10, 2021 I am in a deeply committed, “finally found the one” relationship with another woman. But my oldest sister, close to everyone else in my family, has declined to meet her, and we have been estranged for the past two years because of it. I’ve been unwilling to have a relationship with my sister that does not include my partner. Although my family are Jehovah’s Witnesses, this sister is a particularly stringent one. I left the religion at the age of 18, having never been baptized. My parents play both sides by telling us that they love and accept my partner while also sympathizing with my sister’s disgust for same-sex relationships and her view that mine ought not to be welcomed into the family. A few months ago, I asked a sister whom I do have a relationship with to take my young son for two weeks at her home in the Midwest and requested that my other sister, because of our strained relationship and the pandemic, not be allowed to visit him. My estranged sister grew enraged and showed up anyway. She was allowed in, and no one ever apologized to me. I felt violated and betrayed.
This is a long article but I'm sure you get the idea of it from this short bit.
Of course we know that same sex relationships are wrong, but I know of people in such relationships, relatives in fact, and i know that I have never ignored those people and never 'shunned' them.  This article shows how different family members, all JWs, deal with it differently.  I hope all of you handle such situations in a loving way, though of course each persons conscience may differ. 
 
 

Wow. It seems that you think that God or Christ have given you authority to judge me.
You and Space Merchant seem to be of the same personality. You both seem to enjoy twisting topics just to get attention for yourselves. You both seem to demand that I answer your questions. But you are both just like the Pharisees. Your questions are not genuine. Your questions are aimed at belittling people. 
HERE ARE THE FACTS : - 
THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT JW MEMBERS OF THE SAME FAMILY, DEALT WITH AN EX-JW DAUGHTER THAT WAS LIVING WITH ANOTHER WOMAN. SO THE EX-JW DAUGHTER WAS LIVING A LIFE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. BUT HER PARENTS DIDN'T SHUN HER. 
THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT GOD'S VIEWPOINT AS SUCH, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT GOD HATES THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY.  SO THAT DOES NOT NEED MAKING CLEAR TO US AS WE ALL KNOW IT ALREADY.
However my point still stands. How do you as individuals treat homosexuals ? 
Also there seems to be the point that even though that daughter is an EX-JW her parents have not shunned her. 
Whereas some on here seem to think they have the authority to condemn people to death. Running ahead of God and Christ. Which of you think you have the right to do this ? 

I think it’s always about how the Bible is interpreted and how far one wants and can go in interpretation.  After some time, people in the profession begin to give names to certain types of interpretations and to those who are proponents of such theses.
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. - Malachi 3:10
Beloved, I pray that in every way you may prosper and enjoy good health, as your soul also prospers. - 3 John 1:3
So doesn’t GB invite its members to give material gifts because it will please YHVH who will pour out their blessings on them because they are generous. Yes, and GB talks about the same thing only with different tactics and other theological-organizational methods.

Well it seems the GB / Watchtower / JW Org are going to be going in for video broadcasting in a big way because that is what the building at Ramapo is all about. And in the assembly / convention talks they were giving instructions as to how donations should be made. I think @Srecko Sostar jokingly called in Video-vangalising or similar.  
Of course the Covid virus has stopped many things so it's easy to understand that JWs stopped the door to door work. However time will tell if this door to door work restarts and if the Kingdom Halls get reopened. Right now the KH are closed here in UK... That's why I try to be balanced on some points, because there are some things that are obviously done for good reason. JWs here in UK have been sensible regarding the Covid virus.. 
Concerning field ministry though, I tried to give warning to some JWs because I honestly thought that JWs would be in danger of physical harm due to the information concerning CSA which was and still is freely available to the public. I also wanted to make some other information known to my local congregation but, of course, they all stopped talking to me when i left, so it was impossible for me to show concern for them. I am still concerned about the elderly ones that have little knowledge about CSA or other problems in the JW Org. 

What do those who know, who are well learned about history, say on question: Does the devil believe in the Trinity?

Basic knowledge about WTJWorg tell me they are in error in things in which they teach and act erroneously. I am  with that cognition. If you and others think otherwise, it is yours and their right to dissent.

As GB Splane said, false teachers introduce ‘a few grains of truth mixed in with falsehoods, and inspired by the demons’. (1 Tim 4:1,2; Rev 16:13-16)  
He knows what he's doing.  The only commission they are adhering to, is their own.  Many times the subject of "core teachings" has come here.  Yes, JWs hold onto a few grains of truth, and turn a deaf ear to all the lies.  (2 Cor 11:3,4,14,15)  Matt 24:24,25

For you, it is all about restorationism.  For the general JW it is not about being part of restorationism, or being a Restorationist.  Why you can't see that I just don't know.
If the shoe fits...notice I didn't capitalize "prosperity preachers".  Another "shoe" would be calling them, "fortune seeker preachers/teachers".  I am not concerned with those you call officially, Prosperity Preachers, thus I haven't slandered them.  
This is just a suggestion, (but I would rather you not do so  please) - become a JW for about 20 years at least, then get back to me.  We'll talk about the organization's "history" of false teachings.
Wait a minute, who am I slandering, Prosperity Preachers or the GB?  The GB willingly slander any who reject their falsehoods, just want to make this clear.
 
 

I got it. Randomly I’ll hear Bill Gates whisper sweet nothings in my ear telling me to buy more Microsoft products, it’s a weird side effect, but on the plus side I grew an extra set of limbs making me much more productive at work. I’m hoping I’ll be a candidate for employee of the month now.

I have to share this quip from GB D. Splane's convention talk on apostates and the news medial.  
"Now, Paul compares the Beroeans with the Thessalonians. What do we know about the Thessalonians? They didn’t have YouTube in those days, but at one point, the Thessalonians apparently heard a rumor that “the day of Jehovah” had arrived. Who circulated the rumor? An apostate? Maybe. But maybe it was just someone who had heard the rumor and passed it on without checking it out.
APPARENTLY heard a rumor?
Have you ever done that — passed on a report without checking the facts? I think all of us have to admit that we’ve been guilty of that at one time or another. But now, how did the Thessalonians react? They were alarmed. They were “quickly shaken from [their] reason.” We mustn’t let that happen to us. When you hear something, check it out; don’t just circulate it; don’t just believe it; check it out."
All checked out, as you have done, and it isn't a rumor.  We can continue to circulate it.  

Splane's talk was the last one of the Saturday afternoon session of the convention - part 2.  At about the 1:35 mark you'll hear his quote I posted here.  A transcript of his talk has been provided by a few on exjw reddit. 
Here's a link...https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/
I think it is imperative to read this transcript and let the raw evidence of his lies and propaganda, sink in.  

I am hoping someone will CORRECT my presumptions and premises.
Making up stuff like this is based on the assumption that we are fools, and CANNOT tell the difference.
I will have to watch the original video, the transcript may also be agenda driven.
You should only take advantage of a fool in a poker game, there it is morally acceptable to rip his heart out and eat it.
 
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You would have to add that last line...after I gave you a like.  There goes breakfast.  
I think you'll find the transcript accurate.  

And you always say that I judge people ?????  But You still cannot understand, or do not want to understand, the huge difference between GOD, and the Watchtower/JW Org.  It's just like someone saying that if YOU oppose the Catholic church then you are opposing God. Just because a man, Rutherford, put a name on His Organisation, JWs, it does not make it God's real organisation.  The Watchtower/JW Org has proven to be immoral and to tell lies.  That isn't just my opinion, it has actually been proven in court cases and by God's own written word. 
hence the term given to them: Hate-OCD  That term comes from YOU, no one else. It is your way of blinding yourself.  Because you are frightened of the truth. You put up this wall OCD, so you don't have to consider other people's comments or ideas. It's a bit like blocking someone, but you do it mentally and emotionally.