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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Space Merchant in Like the Days of Noah...
Meaning alone or the way the verse is worded in their NWT? Because the wording itself there is no violation in regards to the Greek text.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Like the Days of Noah...
You said once, that women represent covenants, and you used Gal 4:26. The "New Covenant" that the anointed are under, is a "woman" - a "mother" of life as @Kick_Faceinatordescribed. It is New Jerusalem and is found not in an established, physically perceived location in heaven, but is found within the hearts of anointed. (Luke 17:21) It is the same woman that Satan is trying to destroy by a "flood" of lies and that sadly, you partake in. (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16; Luke 17:26-27; Rev 3:17-22)
Your concept, or I should say the falsehood of your leadership, of who the woman is, did not give birth to Jesus Christ, since Jesus was around before any angel was ever created. And it was through Jesus, that angels were created. So, since "all things have been created through him and for him", how could it give birth to him?
“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old"
Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence" Prov 8:22,30
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." Col 1:15-18
Jesus was the promised seed for his physical nation. That promise was fulfilled through the "woman" covenant with Israel (Hagar - Gal 4:25), but also the covenant made with Abraham for a seed (Sarah - Gal 4:24,31,26). (Rom 4:13) Jesus as this human heir, replaced Adam. 1( Cor 15:45; Gal 3:16)
The "woman"/New Jerusalem/"mother"/Sarah is also a promise of more seed...in the "144,000" Bride of Jesus Christ. (1 Pet 3:6,14) Since Jesus inaugurated the New Covenant at his death, which is the woman of Revelation 12:1-5 how could he be "born" from that woman? The Abrahamic covenant promise of seed continues, until the Kingdom is established. A "third generation" of seed at the union of Christ and his Bride, will bring forth children. (John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15; Rom 8:19,21; Rev 21:2-5; 22:2,17)
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...
The Bible gives various descriptions of the relationship between God and man. An interpretation of symbolic descriptions that is not explained in the biblical text itself can very easily lead to errors, wrong ideas and misconceptions.
Who is a woman/wife to whom, and who is a bride to whom or a child to which parents can lead to complications. If JHVH has a "wife", then I guess he has a "child" with her. If Jesus has a "bride" to marry, then I guess he will have a "child" with her too. :))
According to the old law, only male children are counted. What is the relationship between these two "sons", from YHVH and from Jesus? What is the relationship of their "wives"?
God's law knows the institute of divorce. Both in symbolic marriage and description, there was a divorce between YHVH and his earthly wife. You say God has a heavenly wife. So God has or had two wives, one in heaven and the other on earth. Will there be a divorce between Jesus and his bride / wife when Jesus returns all authority to his Father? I think it all gets complicated to understand.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Like the Days of Noah...
All that you wrote is absolute truth! I just feel the need to specify that any links I gave in association with https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/, belongs to Pearl Doxsey whom I work with, as well as Rachel who is responsible for the letter writing to Wt.'s leadership worldwide.
("two or three witnesses" 2 Cor 13:1. There can be an application of dichotomy about this, which the Wt. uses blasphemously in judicial committees, and ignores when it comes to child/sexual abuse. Even early on, God made exceptions in this case which the org. defiantly states that it doesn't apply; thus, they have transgressed God's decrees in Jesus Christ, to show mercy and love to one's neighbor and to the oppressed. Deut 22:25,26; Matt 5:18; Gal 5:14; 1 John 5:9; James 1:27
Pearl and I are also admins. of a public facebook group that I've mentioned here also. https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...
That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914.
Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
“Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
“its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read.
According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
"Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
"BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...
That’s like a Canaanite taking the emblems and proclaiming they’re anointed by Ba’al, it doesn’t work, nor even mean it’s the genuine temple Paul was speaking of. Paul spoke of one temple, the anointed body of Christ which is currently only present in the organization of JW’s and is the only one Jesus Christ will even recognize at his coming.
The governing body and their weapon of elders do this very well.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...
You raise extremely valid questions.
There is no cleaning that organization. As Srecko pointed out Job 14:4 “Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!”
The disgusting thing standing in the holy place is the same entity as the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple.
“Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing (2 Thess 2:4- Man of Lawlessness) that causes desolation (Dan 12:11) as spoken about by Daniel the prophet (Dan 11:31), standing in a holy place (1 Cor 3:16 - The Temple), (let the reader use discernment),” - Mt 24:15
When you discern it, Jesus told us to flee.
“then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.” Mt 24:16
This is why the woman/anointed body of Christ flees to the wilderness.
“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days” Rev 12:6
Gotta flee Babylon The Great (Rev 18:4).
I can’t speak for others, but I believe the anointed are inside the JW organization because there comes a time when certain individuals “advanced over the whole earth [door knocking, proclaiming Luke 21:8] and encircled the camp of the holy ones”.
9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones/anointed and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.” Rev 20:7-9
I believe Gog and Ma’gog aren’t political entities, but rather a religious organization that goes door to door.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...
Where does the temple lay right now?
It's in the organization of jw's.
When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming.
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...
The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God:
“He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4
The temple are the anointed:
“Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16
By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...
That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914.
Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
“Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
“its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read.
According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
"Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
"BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in Like the Days of Noah...
That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914.
Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
“Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
“its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read.
According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
"Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
"BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...
That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914.
Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
“Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
“its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read.
According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
"Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
"BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...
As I do not believe that name to be God's true name, then it has no relevance to me.
Even you chop and change between Jehovah and Yehovah, so it seems you yourself are not sure.
But :- Matthew 7 : 21 - 23
“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
So it seems from this scripture that the 'prophesying' and 'works' are not what count in God's or Christ's viewpoint. The Watchtower / JW Org is unclean and unloving.
I remember hearing a story about a sister that was immoral, committing adultery, but she thought that spending more time in the ministry would 'make up for it'. That's how I see the JW Org, covering over their sins by pretending to serve God.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...
Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
(2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
b: a bewildering situation
Definition of bewildering
: extremely confusing or difficult to understand
Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom. Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how?
THE BIBLE SAYS:
What is God’s Kingdom?
It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...
You raise extremely valid questions.
There is no cleaning that organization. As Srecko pointed out Job 14:4 “Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!”
The disgusting thing standing in the holy place is the same entity as the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple.
“Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing (2 Thess 2:4- Man of Lawlessness) that causes desolation (Dan 12:11) as spoken about by Daniel the prophet (Dan 11:31), standing in a holy place (1 Cor 3:16 - The Temple), (let the reader use discernment),” - Mt 24:15
When you discern it, Jesus told us to flee.
“then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.” Mt 24:16
This is why the woman/anointed body of Christ flees to the wilderness.
“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days” Rev 12:6
Gotta flee Babylon The Great (Rev 18:4).
I can’t speak for others, but I believe the anointed are inside the JW organization because there comes a time when certain individuals “advanced over the whole earth [door knocking, proclaiming Luke 21:8] and encircled the camp of the holy ones”.
9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones/anointed and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.” Rev 20:7-9
I believe Gog and Ma’gog aren’t political entities, but rather a religious organization that goes door to door.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...
Where does the temple lay right now?
It's in the organization of jw's.
When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming.
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior.
“By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10
That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months:
“But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2
The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7
Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia.
One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled…
“They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior.
“By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10
That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months:
“But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2
The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7
Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia.
One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled…
“They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
Well, we know that the ancient physical temples were sacred because they signified the presence of God among His people. But more than that, He allowed His Spirit to “fill the Temple” as we see in Solomon’s dedication of the temple he built. (2Chron 5:13,14) His Spirit also filled the early moveable tabernacle, and He dwelt with His people. (Exod 25:8)
It is the same with the anointed as God’s Temple. Individually, they are the temple, since their heart is the home/ dwelling of God’s Spirit. (John 14:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom 8:9,11) But, as “living stones” they also together, are part of and represent the entire Temple. (1 Pet 2:Eph 2:22; Heb 3:6)
In the Kingdom of God, His Spirit will “dwell” with mankind again, but through the anointed/Bride and Jesus Christ. The symbolic "144,000" can be compared to mobile tabernacles carrying the Spirit and knowledge of God; but joined together, they are “New Jerusalem/Zion/Temple of God with Jesus Christ. (Rev 22:3; 7:15)
Elders will not be representing New Jerusalem on earth. They represent an earthly organization, not the Temple of God. This organization will not exist in the Kingdom. (Isa 43:21,10; 1 Pet 2:5,10) It will be the anointed - a “new creation”, both spirit and human, who with Jesus their “husband”, will bring the Spirit and knowledge from God, to earth. (1 Cor 5:17; Gen 28:12; John 1:51) (John 16:28; Heb 1:6) (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; Heb 1:14; Rev 22:17)
Didn’t Jesus do just that when on earth? He brought the Spirit of God and wisdom of His word, to mankind. He will do that again in the Kingdom.
I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
“See, the tent of God is among humans!
He will make his home with them,
and they will be his people.
God himself will be with them,
and he will be their God. “
I.“tent” -
“tent, tabernacle,
of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built
I don’t know if this helps with the connection, but as an example…there are over 60 power poles that must be replaced between where we live and the next small village because of the forest fire that just occurred. Upon seeing employees working on the lines, one could easily say, the power company is here. The individual workers represent the power company, but also are part of the entire power company. Through their presence we can conceptualize the power company as a whole. If they have the power company’s logo on their shirt, well then, we may say they are the power company.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
They are busy guys with family and work responsibilities. Pranksters, they aren't. Protectors, yes.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
This excellent explanation give so strong and irrefragable argument against GB unreasonable ideas of how people today cannot be inspired by HS. GB’s silly replacement of the thesis that they are “guided” by the spirit is nothing more than an attempt to justify every nonsense they teach people while remaining in positions of power and authority, they and their elders. I believe that for HS there is no obstacle to “filling the heart” of every individual to whom the Father shows love, whether he/she belongs to a "large or a small flock".
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...
Even though the things being said here may be true, I still laugh at JWs (and those of other religions) that think JWs are 'safe' in their Org. Spouting about Babylon the Great and wicked world organisations, when the Watchtower / JW Org is so full of lies and immorality. That is hypocrisy.
It is also quite interesting to see how certain people like to pigeonhole others. Another member here has now started to do this i see.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
Did Jesus ask 'us' to pray for it, or did Jesus ask his Apostles (and maybe the rest of the Anointed) to pray for it ?
Jesus told His disciples/apostles that ALL authority HAD been given to Him after His resurrection. That was before He returned to heaven.
Matthew 28 : 18 & 19
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Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
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Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Don't JWs believe these things ?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?
But didn't the harvest start whilst Jesus was on Earth.
Matthew 9 : 37 - 38
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Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.
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Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into His harvest.”
Could there be two harvests ? One for the Anointed, and one for the 'little dogs' / earthly class.
Jesus said, recorded at John 10 : 16
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I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...
I was suggesting, on this forum last year, that Armageddon would be around ten years from now. So no I don't 'lack the urgency' but i don't put an exact year on it either.
It just seems strange to me that JWs believe that God through Christ, would want to use an immoral, dishonest Organisation to gather right hearted people together to 'survive' Armageddon. In my opinion Christ will 'raise up' / bring together the True Anointed remnant, and fill them with Holy Spirit, so that they will oversee an Association of willing servants of God through Christ. Truth needs to be taught to people soon to give everyone the chance to serve God before the coming destruction. I do not think the Watchtower / JW Org is seriously interested in teaching truth.