Kick_Faceinator

Hmmmmm……. I always thought those tunnels were used for giant radioactive ant men to get to central Australia. 
….. since the “other” stories about the tunnels have no proof, mine is EQUALLY valid. 
…… and Certainly worth what you paid for it.
For $15.00 I will send you a genuine hand drawn map!

Here’s another one on top of that. This is how JW’s are told to truly feel about us:
“Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."- Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22. - Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420
What does Gods word equate hate to?
“Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” John 3:15
Their very own leadership is telling them to become murderers.

How absolutely incredible, but very believable, that they have skirted the words of Jesus Christ to validate their spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping,  as well as sending individuals off for physical slaughter, in the name of “Jehovah’s organization”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborand hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48
They have never adopted Christ’s “new wine”.  Matt 9:17. 
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”  2 Pet 3:9
The desire to “hate” is in the Armageddon belief.  It is the believe that God or Jesus will murder everyone whom they “hate” through the most physically disgusting means….yet, they don’t believe in a literal fiery hell – a selling point (of actual truth) in their preaching work. 
The destroyer is Satan, not the Father and not Jesus Christ. 
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  John 10:10
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”  1 Tim 4:1

Here’s another one on top of that. This is how JW’s are told to truly feel about us:
“Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."- Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22. - Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420
What does Gods word equate hate to?
“Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” John 3:15
Their very own leadership is telling them to become murderers.

Once again you find the need to misquote me or to twist what I write. Tom you seem unwell spiritually.
So explain this implication quoted above if you can ? 
Anyone that does not believe that 'With God all things are possible', must have lost their faith in God. 
I see this in you Tom, you seem to have no faith in God, Christ or the Holy Spirit. Your 'faith' seems to be in your GB and it's Org. 

I am sorry you feel that way. Your time is your own to use as you wish. It is therefore your own choice if you converse with people that you do not like.
As for your point of 'not genuine interest in learning anything from anyone', then it depends on your viewpoint. 
I ask questions of people to get a fuller meaning of their viewpoint but then i get accused of being a 'follower' of them. I don't mind accusations being thrown at me, not even accusations of being D/fed.  We are all human and we all have our own viewpoint. 
A few words about HATE from your Org. 
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1970843
This right kind of hatred is in imitation of Jehovah, the God of righteousness. He does not hate what is bad because of frustration nor does he manifest his hate in uncontrolled, intemperate, violent actions. God’s hatred of what is bad is a principled hatred. Such hatred does not disturb one’s peace of mind and afflict one with ulcers. It is a strong dislike, an extreme aversion, a pronounced distaste, a profound repugnance of what is bad. It means to loathe, to abhor, to abominate whatever is bad because it is wrong, very harmful and wholly unloving.
 
WHY HATE WHAT IS BAD?
First of all, Jehovah hates what is bad. That in itself should be reason enough for any of us also to hate what is bad.
 

The GB have separated themselves in title and in duties.
The elders have separated themselves in title and in duties.
They each meet as a body, separately from the congregation to address matters each group is assigned to.
The anointed are told they cannot “separate” themselves as a body and meet together to address any matters of teachings.  They have been assigned by God to teach, yet they are prevented from doing so.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  The anointed are under the dominating rule of both the GB and elders.  (Matt 24:48-51)
This oppression of one’s spirituality, of the gift of Holy Spirit that God gave them to use, has no scriptural backing.  On the contrary, it defies God’s word. (2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Cor 3:16,17;  1 Cor 12)

There are accounts of ritual “channeling” in Fred Franz’ time, in rooms or room branching off the tunnels.   It was through a little girl, and another woman also came forward with her account.  The first woman has been mentally scarred by what she experienced.  One would have to hear her reports and make up their own mind whether they are true or not.

That's funny as it was something perverse that I remember. 
I do wish I had kept ALL the things you have written, but I only saved one.  
 

My disagreement is not about Tom writing about Pearl or Witness. I've purposefully never ventured onto Pearl's website. 
My dislike is when Tom choses to lump many of us into some 'following' or other, just because we may ask a couple of questions. Tom seems to have this need to 'lump people together' into groups, and to be sarcastic about it all.  
 

Or vice versa  .  As in you making excuses for things that happened. 
As for the 'secret tunnels', I think I remember, long ago, you saying that they had been used for 'other' purposes. 

Arauna I have many times said that I am not anointed. There would be no grounds at all for me to think i was.
I am not anointed. I am not a 'chosen one' I am not of the heavenly class. I am not part of the body of Christ. 
But neither do i have an 'earthly hope'.  I don't 'dream' of living forever here on Earth. 
I live each day as it is, and my thoughts are more for other people than myself.  I seriously worry that no one is teaching truth right now. So you see, i find no need to be concerned as to my future, because i am not important. 

That would seem to make you a coward. Push forward your own opinions but frightened to read the opinions of others.
As for being inspired by demons, maybe you should take a closer look at your GB. they prove themselves to be the 'wicked slave' and prove themselves to be saying 'the master is delaying' 
The GB tell the Anointed not to gather together for prayer and Bible study and the GB tell the Anointed that they 'would be working against the Holy Spirit' if they did meet together. Um, so where does your GB get this inspiration from ? 
They admit that they are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit. 
Who would want to stop the True Anoined ones from meeting together for prayer and the study fo God's word ????? 
 

Oh dear Tom. Get well soon. You have a problem in your heart it seems.
I said it so many times before but it seems I need to say it again. TOM loves to groupe people together and then put one big label on them. It makes him feel good, gives him a 'kick' of some sort.  The reason seems to be that just because Tom is part of a flock of misled sheep, he thinks that everyone else has to be. So dear old Tom finds the need to put us in a flock. This this he's chosen @Witness. Previously he'd chosen @JW Insider. Who will you group us with next time Tom ?
The True Anointed will prove who they are when Christ choses to make it happen.  The remnant are part of His body, and HE will give them 'power' to do what needs to be done.  I'm quite happy to be mocked and laughted at whilst I remain patiently waiting for truth.  The other option would be, to be active IN TELLING LIES. 
 

Well, sounds confusing. You feel and claim how spirit of JHVH is requirement for understanding, but in the same time concept of been "inspired" by this same JHVH is something you and other JW members consider as "inappropriate" way and "not possible" way, .... because even FDS is not inspired ... so how would/how could any rank and file member be in this privileged position at all. 
WTJWorg really need to think more about terminology and meaning of specific words that they use and put on opposite sides ... "inspired by spirit and/vs guided by spirit". This two sort of words, that GB put in two sort of concepts that are not same, as they say, speaking about same think in fact. Influence of HS is needed for both models. Or, influence of different sort of spirit.  
When JW's go on to preach uncertain and inaccurate doctrines, by what spirit are they "guided" or !inspired"?

What WTJWorg and JW members think of C.T. Russell? Maybe they think like this: Some things he understood and interpreted well, and in some he made mistakes. To which category of people does CTR belong according to WTJWorg? Inspired? Guided? Analytical? A seeker of truth? Altruistic? Businessman? Or a little of everything?
It is claimed; The Bible was inspired by God because Bible writers were inspired by God as they wrote.
Does a Bible reader need to be “inspired” to understand the Bible? What kind of biblical text can a Bible reader understand without being “inspired” or even “guided” by God or by the spirit?
Why did Russell come to the conclusion that he understood his position as God’s “FDS”? Because the Holy Spirit told him he was? Why did Rutherford come to the same conclusion for himself? Why did the members of the group of Directors, and later GB, start claiming that God chose them to be "FDS"? Because they were; Inspired? Guided? Analytical? Truth seekers? Altruistic? Businessmen? Or a little of everything?
Question number one is: Do you have to be “inspired” to understand when God says, “Do good, do not kill, help another, go build an ark, flee the city, preach about Jesus, etc.?
Question number two is: Do you have to be “inspired” to interpret events as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy? Do you have to be “inspired” to explain the prophecy and say it will be fulfilled one way or another at specific time period?
To the first question, it would be logical for me if the answer is, "no". You don’t need to be inspired to understand inspired tips/counsels/advises, commandments, prohibitions, and the like.
The answer to the second question is no longer so simple. If you are not “inspired” then you will be mistaken in your interpretations. And, since so many mistakes have been made, it is less worrying to know that those people who run WTJWorg are not "inspired", but it is worrying why so many people allow themselves to be "led" by those people who are not able to understand the Bible well, those people who studies and prayers addressed to God that He “leads” them without “inspiration”.

Such sarcasm, when you have 8 men whom 8 million people fawn over, and who plead for funds to build their empire.  When you have thousands of elders demanding the attention of 8 million people on zoom meetings.  When your thousands of elders like vultures, gather your "service time" over the years.  Who label you as "inactive" if after 6 months you haven't given them anything. ("oh, did you hear that so-and-so is inactive??") Who will send you  behind closed doors if you begin to say anything public about the 8 men, and their falsehoods, that 8 million people fawn over. 
Sarcasm - has a Greek root - “to tear flesh, bite the lip in rage, sneer.”
You are so good at that, and so is A. Morris.  I wonder how the both of  you sleep at night.  
 
 
 

I saw Bob this morning. Yep, good ol’ Bob. 
He said he saw Carl all dressed up in a suit and tie having coffee at the same table with the king of the south telling lies to each other. Man said they were to invade the land of decoration after going out in service, or letter writing rather. 
I couldn’t believe it! That rat!

I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. 
“Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5
Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.

You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23

This is not for “Thinking” as that would be a waste of time.  Divine inspiration and “automatic writing” are two different things.  If Pearl was under the blind influence of demons who used her specifically to perform automatic writing, then why must she continually edit what she writes and fine tune her writing by the addition of more scriptures?  Prophesy is given by God, a gift in the Body of Christ.  (1 Cor 12:28,29)  Just because the GB admit they are not inspired by Holy Spirit, does not mean no one else, is.  Just because the GB continually blow it, in their understanding, doesn't mean God hasn't sent a "faithful" slave to get it right.  By the way, Pearl was also tossed out/disfellowshipped for speaking truth.  
In 2002, the organization referenced the work of the last “Elijah” as the “restoration of pure worship”, a work performed by all JWs in their preaching work. They were called the modern day “Elijah class”. Since then, I see no mention of an “Elijah” appearing in the last days.  If I remember right, they have also dropped assigning themselves as a prophet’s “class”; such as “Ezekiel class”, “Jeremiah class”, etc.  However, this cannot erase the scriptural fact that an “Elijah” does appear before the end.  
And the disciples asked him, saying, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And he answered and said, “Elijah indeed is coming, and will restore all things.”  Matt 17:10
Both the prophet Elijah and John the Baptist were specifically sent to God’s people under covenant.  They were given spiritual perception (as all prophets sent by God,  are given) to declare their sins and acts of idolatry, preaching the need to repent and turn back to God. (Mal 3:1-3; Zech 13:9) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal.3%3A1-3%3B+Zech.13%3A9&version=NIV
The work of the last prophet to come in the spirit and power of “Elijah”, follows a similar pattern as both Elijah and John the Baptist.  This message is also specifically directed to God’s spiritual “Israel”, His priesthood under the New Covenant. (Matt 25:6; Luke 21:36; Rev 8:6; Jer 6:17) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+25%3A6%3B+Luke+21%3A36%3B+Rev+8%3A6%3B+Jer+6%3A17&version=NIV
(Deut 10:8; 18:5; 21:5; 1 Cor 6:2; Heb 8:5; Rev 5:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Mal 2:7) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+10%3A8%3B+18%3A5%3B+21%3A5%3B+1+Cor+6%3A2%3B+Heb+8%3A5%3B+Rev+5%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+Mal+2%3A7&version=NIV
They have failed to serve God, “in spirit and truth”.  (John 4:23,24; Matt 25:25,26; Rev 3:2,3; Matt 25:5,6,7,13; Heb 6:12) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A23%2C24%3B+Matt+25%3A25%2C26%3B+Rev+3%3A2%2C3%3B+Matt+25%3A5%2C6%2C7%2C13%3B+Heb+6%3A12&version=NIV
 Those residing with them, should also respond to the message (Dan 12:1-3; Zech 8:23; Luke 1:17; Matt 10:40-42; John 7:38; 1 Cor 14:25; Rev 22:17). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A1-3%3B+Zech+8%3A23%3B+Luke+1%3A17%3B+Matt+10%3A40-42%3B+John+7%3A38%3B+1+Cor+14%3A25%3B+Rev+22%3A17&version=NIV
The last “Elijah”, and the inspired message of the last prophet appears among God’s people in the last days.  This trumpet call is for God’s priests of His spiritual Temple to prepare their hearts for the return of Jesus Christ.  (Ezek 33:6;Isa 40:3; Isa 58:1; Joel 2:1; Matt 24:31;25:6; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 22:6)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+33%3A6%3BIsa+40%3A3%3B+Isa+58%3A1%3B+Joel+2%3A1%3B+Matt+24%3A31%3B25%3A6%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+Rev+22%3A6++&version=NIV
As an anointed who has been blessed to see the understanding of the “man of lawlessness”, and Revelation's two beasts; and who declare the sins of “Israel”, she does not harbor a demon.  Again just as Jesus was accused of harboring a demon, obviously, Pearl is also accused of this. 
However, concerning this automatic writing/channeling, an ex-Bethel member has a lot say about it happening in Bethel.  He was given scriptures from Gen 28:10-15 by a "channeler"..  The explanation of those scripture is an evil dichotomy of the truth. Here, is the truth,  http://jacobsladder-obadiah.blogspot.com/
And here is the video.  If the man he spoke to had “notebook after notebook of this stuff”, why does he keep his “knowledge” to himself?  Why doesn't he share it with the GB? 
Or, maybe he does, and that's why they keep blowing it. 
 
 
 
 
 

I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. 
“Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5
Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.

…… And remember that Bob spelled backwards, it is boB.

Really?  Maybe you or JWI can tell me the person's name.  No one here knows me personally.  
You've always been good at telling yarns.  🙂

"All the time" is a bit over the top, but fair enough, I'll amend my previous statement:  
 
To read...
JWs  show David up for his sins; and seldom, if any, for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.