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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
This Psalm seems to describe what the outcast, those who turn to Jesus Christ, (Heb 13:13), and perhaps including the victims of abuse and shunning, feel and believe regarding the trap they have left.
"Why, Lord, do you stand far off?
Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
2 In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
who are caught in the schemes he devises.
3 He boasts about the cravings of his heart; ("organization"
he blesses the greedy and reviles the Lord.
4 In his pride the wicked man does not seek him;
in all his thoughts there is no room for God. (How can there be, when an organization is exalted? Isa 46:5)
5 His ways are always prosperous;
your laws are rejected by him;
he sneers at all his enemies.
6 He says to himself, “Nothing will ever shake me.”
He swears, “No one will ever do me harm.”
7 His mouth is full of lies and threats;
trouble and evil are under his tongue.
8 He lies in wait near the villages;
from ambush he murders the innocent.
His eyes watch in secret for his victims;
9 like a lion in cover he lies in wait.
He lies in wait to catch the helpless;
he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
10 His victims are crushed, they collapse;
they fall under his strength. (Dan 8:13; 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2)
11 He says to himself, “God will never notice;
he covers his face and never sees.”
12 Arise, Lord! Lift up your hand, O God.
Do not forget the helpless.
13 Why does the wicked man revile God?
Why does he say to himself,
“He won’t call me to account”?
14 But you, God, see the trouble of the afflicted;
you consider their grief and take it in hand.
The victims commit themselves to you;
you are the helper of the fatherless.
15 Break the arm of the wicked man;
call the evildoer to account for his wickedness
that would not otherwise be found out.
16 The Lord is King for ever and ever;
the nations will perish from his land.
17 You, Lord, hear the desire of the afflicted;
you encourage them, and you listen to their cry,
18 defending the fatherless and the oppressed,
so that mere earthly mortals
will never again strike terror." Ps 10
I found this to be a good audio reading - https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/Ps.10
How is the Kingdom Like Fish Caught in a Net?
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in King of the North vs. King of the South....Who could have foreseen this happening?
I saw Bob this morning. Yep, good ol’ Bob.
He said he saw Carl all dressed up in a suit and tie having coffee at the same table with the king of the south telling lies to each other. Man said they were to invade the land of decoration after going out in service, or letter writing rather.
I couldn’t believe it! That rat!
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Pudgy in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
I found this quote from a Wt. when researching,
"Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones! w15 3/15 p. 8-9
One set of scriptures apparently prove that these false prophets are the faithful and discreet slave. How thrilling!
“You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Mal 3:13-18
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
This would probably be a seperate topic but I'd like to hear / read you thoughts on these men above mentioned.
David, adultery and murder, premeditated it would seem. Moses lost his temper / self control maybe ?
But tell us about the 'sins' of the others. They were chosen by Jesus, to do a job.
I've often read on here that the disciples / apostles 'were just as bad', but I've never seen real examples.
Russell maybe chose himself, then called himself righteous ??
I see the GB in that same light. Well maybe they choose each other, but then call themselves the F&DS and say that 'God and Christ trust them'. That's a bit like calling themselves righteous. It seemsto follow a pattern.
To be honest i care not about Russell in himself. I do find what you write interesting and that you do so much research.
I find fault in the GB/ Org using Russell as part of it's history, because I think Russell would be totally adainst the JW Org. And I'm still interested in knowing more about the division, as the IBSA seems to still exist today.
So to me the Watchtower, JW Org or now the CCJW (whichever aka suits people) is a totally different thing to the 'religion' that Russell started. It would seem that Rutherford 'stole' the Watchtower, whether legally or not i don't know. And it would also seem that Rutherford was 'not a pleasant man'.
Maybe Rutherford will be your next topic ? Thank you for sharing all previous info'. Have a good day.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
JWs have this habit of using David and his grave sin, as an example to excuse their leadership’s sins. With David though, we have his documented expressions of great remorse spoken to God. We have no expressions of remorse from any Wt. leader, only their examples of either hiding their sins, or making excuses for them. I find it ironic that past articles in the Wt. will tell the story of a murderer being “saved” by the organization and he is received with open arms into the congregation. Wouldn't this past murderer be the example of repentance and not the example of sin?
Not so, with David. He is usually shown up for his sins and never for his extensive documented request to God for repentance. Likewise, the organization keeps a record of sin on all members, yet God in his mercy will forget our sins – only if we come to him in sincere repentance.
Sinning against the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, has been committed by the organization since Rutherford, possibly before. (Matt 12:31) Ray Franz spoke truth, but he was disfellowshipped – considered dead in the eyes of God. (Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:20) This has happened throughout Wt’s history to anointed ones who had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts. Spiritual blood is on the hands of Wt’’s leadership. (Matt 23:33-36; Rev 17:3-6) Jesus spoke truth and he was killed for it, and they said he had a demon. I have been accused of the same thing here. (Matt 10:25) It is a twisted concept that the leadership is righteous while unrepentant for their sins, yet any anointed priest who stands for truth and exposes lies, is the unrighteous one. (Mark 3:28-30)
No, God does not consider the sins of a priest (if Russel was anointed) as forgotten, if he is never repentant before God and apologetic for the damage he has done to those whom he has taught.
No matter how much of what appears to be truth that he may have produced, he is still a bad “tree”. (Matt 7:15-20)
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in King of the North vs. King of the South....Who could have foreseen this happening?
Bob ……
Bob foresaw this happening ……
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know
Yes indeed. Didn't the Leaders of the Watchtower BLAME the CONGREGANTS for 'getting it wrong about 1975'
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know
It wasn't me that did the blaming of their own people. Hypocrits
I'll just place this here again.
It must take a very dull or almost dead conscience to remain a JW.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know
That is so funny considering the topic you've made here and the length of your first comment.
You seem concerned about people's attitudes and about people 'grumbling'.
I'm more concerned about the way JWs bring shame on God and Christ.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know
Spiritual drunkenness, on the "harlot's" wine. Luke 12:45,46; Isa 28:1-4,7,8,14; Jer 5:31; Micah 2:11; Hos 7:5; Rev 17:2; 14:8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A45%2C46%3B+Isa+28%3A1-4%2C7%2C8%2C14%3B+Jer+5%3A31%3B+Micah+2%3A11%3B+Hos+7%3A5%3B+Rev+17%3A2%3B+14%3A8&version=NKJV
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied
He is, we are, and it's fun
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied
Does this exposition on the definitions of some words, mean that it is (not) quite normal for JW members to so readily accept the changed definitions in so many GB teachings, which have taken on new meanings in relation to the original ones? Because you say yourself: One way is simply refuse to accept it.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied
WE agree then that people have 'hurt' Almighty God by working against the Holy Spirit.
The ones that did so are the ones that told the Anointed 'not to gather together for prayer or Bible study' Those ones also told the Anointed that the Anointed would be 'working against the Holy Spirit'.
Those ones also say they are the F&DS and they falsely boast that God and Christ trust them.
Yes, it quite to clear to see who have insulted Almighty God and Jesus Christ. It is your GB and their helpers.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Thinking in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
I remember GB member Dan Sydlik writing or saying in a talk….he had a hard time with brothers trying so hard to be righteous….and said they…just needed to do their best and leave the rest to the ransom."…..
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
The Good part is Caleb and Sophia, and their Family do not need to eat, drink, or breathe, and are OK until plate tectonics subducts them.
They of course have lumps on their heads the size of bananas, circled by a rotating disk of canaries and stars .... not unlike a halo.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
Yup! That's exactly where I was going with this "Story," in the direction of "continuing it."
I do hope that everybody can "get it."
And maybe join in.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
Yes. I did realize that it was a joke. But thanks for asking 😇 just in case I didn't know that it was a joke.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
My guess was that Linda James was going along with the joke.
My intent was to have people continue the "story", and see where it would end up.
That assumes everybody "got it".
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
I find that all this "1914 Overlapping Generation", "Gog of Magog", and "King of the North" stuff does nothing but distract me ...and even if it is all true, it SOUNDS phony, and destroys any credibility that I might otherwise perceive.
I have resolved to put such things, and all similar things that have no practical, real life consequences ON THE GROUND, where the "rubber meets the road" on a mental "suspense list" shelf, and ignore it completely.
Otherwise, I agree with GB Member Dan Sydlik, and will try to do the same.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
It does not have to be THAT funny to be mildly amusing, invoking mental imagry of the various sub-references.….. and besides, it was fun to write, and like Dilbert, most of my humor only I understand.
….. thanks for stopping by, and don’t forget to tip the waitresses.