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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in How would solid, controvertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
I don't understand it myself, so perhaps we could get Governing Body Member Bro. David Splaine, or Bro. Rando to explain about the "Overlapping Generations".
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in How would solid, controvertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
Indeed Tom. Matthew 19: 26 Berean Study Bible
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Indeed Thinking.
It would make no difference.
In the past it was ghosts, life after death, 'contacting dead relatives', ALL by the work of the DEVIL. But people said it 'proved' that we had a spirit or soul that lived on after death. It proved nothing of course, apart from the fact that the Devil works in many crafty ways.
Crop circles, space ships, aliens et al. The Devil will use anything to take people away from searching for God or from serving God through Christ. The Devil even ties in aliens with evolution just for the mixture of fun.
Simple answer, have strong faith in God through Christ, not through men.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in How would solid, controvertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
Here's a thought from the 1st chapter of Ezekial .... makes ya wanna go "Hmmmmmm?" ...
15 As I was watching the living creatures, I saw one wheel on the earth beside each of the living creatures with four faces.+ 16 The wheels and their structure appeared to glow like chrysʹo·lite, and the four of them looked alike. Their appearance and structure looked as though a wheel were within a wheel.* 17 When they moved, they could go in any of the four directions without turning as they went.
(see above illustration ....)
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to JW Insider in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Thanks. I'll try to correct it in my post. [Edited to add: Done!]
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Hi. This quote was made by @Thinking not by me.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to TrueTomHarley in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
I see you haven’t visit my gift shop to peruse my new line placard, sweatshirt, and accessories offerings: “2034 is the Door!”
I actually didn’t know you could take down your own thread. Comments, yes, but not the whole thread, and even comments only for a limited time. There are some turkeys of mine that long ago would have bit the dust had I known that.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to JW Insider in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Someone asked me about why the topic was removed. I could only respond with what I thought had happened. I answered him publicly so that anyone who knows or thinks it was something different could provide something additional. I didn't say or even imply that I was right. I only said what I thought was probably true. I'll repeat exactly what I said was the probable reason in my opinion:
Also, before I said anything, I wrote to the admin and the Librarian and the response indicated to me that they knew nothing about it, and that the most likely scenario was that BroRando had removed it himself. No one else but BroRando and admin/moderators would have that right. I also messaged a couple of moderators to see if they knew. They didn't. I also made sure that BroRando was aware of my comment so that he could respond if he wished.
To tell you the truth, I saw BroRando's last comment to Srecko and thought it was very much out of character for BroRando, since BroRando rarely presents himself the way he did in that post. It occurred to me at the time that he would probably want to delete that comment as it showed a side of him that he had not really shown before, in my opinion. I wondered if he might delete it when I saw it at 10am in the morning. I didn't get back on the forum again until 8pm that evening, and the entire topic was gone -- all 30-some pages.
I was a bit surprised and wondered if he had deleted the whole thing on purpose when he only meant to delete a specific post of his. Then it also occurred to me that it could have been an accidental error by him, or a purposeful move by an admin, or even a software glitch.
That's why I wrote to The Librarian, moderators and the admin.
The ones who responded said that they knew nothing about it, so I fell back on my original opinion that it was probably because no one was being all that supportive of the 2034 prediction, which was the main point that most people were getting from him on that topic. And I also used my response as an opportunity to admit that I had made a lot of off-topic comments that were not supportive of the theory. In saying that I was taking part of the blame.
I never thought I could prove it, which is why I just gave an opinion. There was no false accusation. It's not I said that his words had shown that he had a real problem with ego, for example. It's not like I claimed that he was not humble and that he was shoving his thoughts down everyone's throat.
I think he has opinions, I have opinions, and you have opinions. If someone feels that others' opinions are wrong, they can express the reasons if they want. Or they can simply say they don't like those other opinions. No one is required to respond to or even read those other opinions.
You told me that I needed to look again for something I hadn't remembered reading before. This doesn't mean that all this rambling and cutting and pasting is for you. I really doubted that anyone would take much of an interest. But as long as I am going through a lot of material again, I thought it best to share what I was finding. Especially because such a review is always an opportunity for me to pick up on several things I hadn't noticed before. And there's always a good chance that several of my conclusions are wrong, so I put a lot of them out their for public scrutiny, where they can be corrected by others. I'm sure I'll also run across what I missed before (the passage that you saw) and I'd very much like to find it.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
I read his comment to you and I had prepared an answer for him but found the thread had disappeared. He is much like his spiritual “fathers” who set prophetic dates and time tables – all of which have not come true. Has he not learned from the examples set by his leaders? Now, if this had been someone in another religion doing the same, that person would be criticized and labeled a “false prophet”.
w59 7/1 p. 389-390
#1: Not all persons who have claimed to be Jehovah’s prophets were actually inspired by him. Regarding such false prophets in Israel Ezekiel said: “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have spoken falsehood and divined a lie; they say, ‘Says the LORD,’ when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfil their word.” (Ezekl 13:3,6, RS) Jeremiah spoke similar condemnation against the false prophets who said Jerusalem would not fall. He said: “Do not listen to your prophets and to your practicers of divination and to your dreamers and to your practicers of magic and to your sorcerers, who are saying to you: ‘You men will not serve the king of Babylon.’ For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you.”—Jer 27:9,10.
As there were false prophets then, so there are today. They will not hesitate to delude people into believing that they have knowledge of the future. An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”
#2: The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. w17 February p. 26
In #1, the truth is spoken. All JWs read it, and heard it during their study. In #2, the excuses for errors made by those who actually wrote the truth in #1, is the accepted protocol.
YET, they themselves state “an accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people”.
Who really, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for their hypocrisy? (Luke 12:54-56; Matt 24:48-51)
By the way, the Wt. teaches that those who enter the organization have left Babylon the Great.
“For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you” Jer 27:10
Is there a Faithful Slave?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Malachi chapter 3
Who is it that is being visited by a "messenger"? (Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3) Who is receiving the message?
The royal priesthood ("elect") must be cleansed. (Mal 3:1-4) Tell me, if they believe in proven falsehoods spoken by the GB, are they not in danger of losing their prospect of eternal life? (Jer 23:16; Matt 24:23-26)
This is why Jesus predicted a division among Israel in his day, and "Israel" and those with them, today. (Luke 12:51)
“Your words against me are harsh,” says the Lord.
Yet you ask, “What have we spoken against you?”
14 You have said, “It is useless to serve God. What have we gained by keeping his requirements and walking mournfully before the Lord of Armies? 15 So now we consider the arrogant t be fortunate. Not only do those who commit wickedness prosper, they even test God and escape.”
It is wickedness in God's eyes to lead people into believing false dates and prophesies. You may forget them, but He doesn't. (Jer 14:10; Hos 9:9)
In light of these sins, JWs praise a literal man-made rendition of the tetragrammaton, and not give praise to the God of Truth.
16 At that time those who feared the Lord spoke to one another. The Lord took notice and listened. So a book of remembrance was written before him for those who feared the Lord and had high regard for his name. 17 “They will be mine,” says the Lord of Armies, “my own possession on the day I am preparing. I will have compassion on them as a man has compassion on his son who serves him. 18 So you will again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
In the organization, God's requirements about His priesthood have not been kept. Under the counterfeit priesthood/elder body, His sanctuary/Temple in the anointed has been trampled. THAT is the body - the "church" that should be unified in the scripture you quote. Instead, it is scattered among you; "living stones", left not one upon another. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 13:2)
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Not necessarily.
Under the topic 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez, he stated:
"Sinning against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin 4Jah2me. That is why you're weeping and gnashing your teeth. Enjoy the hot bath... 🥵"
There was another similar one directed to me, but I can't find it. It was at the end of one of his posts where he then closed it to further comments.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
“Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” - Jesus Christ, Luke 12:51
Uh oh…
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Finding truth calls for a division amongst brothers and sisters so we can know who has Jehovah’s approval, and who does not.
“But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!” 1 Corinthians 11:19
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Perhaps you would say that to the Governing Body of the Watchtower / JW Org. They are very keen on dates and especially giving false prophecy. 'the last part of the last day of last days' . 1941, 1975. Before the year 2000 et al.
No honest hearted Anointed one (the GB) would pretend to be the F&DS and then give so much false information,
And as for Bro Rambo, if he were a true JW then surely he wouldn't be putting up a date (2034) as that is only his opinion and could be a stumbling block to others. Plus the fact that it would seem to go against the grain of following the GB to get 'food at the proper time'.
Go now and have a good cry. If you don't like what people post you know the old saying, 'Just scroll on by'.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
@JW Insider gave an opinion on who deleted the topic and why. What's so accusing in that about that other brother?
You should have read the last comment from Rando that he sent me. It was troubling what this man thought of those who thought differently from him. And how he allows himself to pronounce a severe condemnation/judgement of another.
In my opinion JW Insider has outstanding intellectual abilities and I don’t see any aspiration for self-praise. But even if I am wrong in my perception, it does not invalidate the results of the research and presentation he has shown. I hope he will stay on this forum in years to come.
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
“Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” - Jesus Christ, Luke 12:51
Uh oh…
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Finding truth calls for a division amongst brothers and sisters so we can know who has Jehovah’s approval, and who does not.
“But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!” 1 Corinthians 11:19
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance
Finding truth calls for a division amongst brothers and sisters so we can know who has Jehovah’s approval, and who does not.
“But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!” 1 Corinthians 11:19
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in How would solid, controvertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
How would solid, incontrovertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
For the last several months there have been more and more "credible" reports of UFOs being reported on the news, and the U.S. Military is admitting that UFO's exist, and have photography of many incidents, some of which have been released. Trump declassified ALL UFO records held by the government.
If this all proves to be true .....
........ how will that affect your theological view of the Universe?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Opening up the scriptures. When and to whom ?
The Jewish religious leaders had the Hebrew scriptures but did not have the help of God's holy spirit to understand the things they were reading.
The men that became the 12 disciples would have known the Hebrew scriptures because they were Jews, but how much attention those men would have given to the reasoning on the scriptures is unknown. So it would seem that although those scriptures were 'available', they were not fully understood.
It is also very interesting that, even though 11 of the 12 remained loyal to Jesus, Jesus did not open up the scriptures to them during his ministry. So it must have been a deliberate action by Jesus to keep some things 'hidden' from the disciples. John 16 : 12
Berean Literal Bible "Yet I have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now."
It was only after Jesus was resurrected that He fully opened up the Hebrew scriptures to His disciples. And of course Judas was no longer one of them.
Luke 24
13 But look! on that very day, two of them were traveling to a village named Em·maʹus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, (these 2 were not of the 11).
Berean Study Bible
32, They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
Luke 24 :
33 And they got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven and those assembled together with them (NWT)
36 While they were speaking of these things, he himself stood in their midst and said to them: “May you have peace.” (NWT)
44 He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.” (NWT)
45 New International Version
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
So at that point it would seem that all those disciples would have had their minds opened and could fully understand the Hebrew scriptures.
Looking onward at Acts 1 : 8 "But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
Acts 2 "Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak."
An interesting point at Acts 2 : 32 & 33
32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear. (NWT)
Berean Literal Bible
33. Therefore having been exalted at the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, He has poured out this which you are both seeing and hearing.
So is this saying that it is Jesus that 'pours out Holy Spirit' now, not God ?
Now up to this point I've only mentioned the Hebrew scriptures, because that was all that they had. And also I've only covered the point that these were true Christian followers of Christ. We now move forward nearly 2,000 years.
We now have the Greek scriptures, which were written by some of those true followers of Christ, and written under inspiration of holy spirit. But we neither have those true Christian followers, nor do we have an opening up of the true meaning of those Greek scriptures.
As in the days of those Jewish religious leaders of the 1st century, who had the Hebrew scriptures but could not understand the full meaning and importance of them. We now have the full Hebrew and Greek scriptures available but do not understand the full meaning and importance of them.
So as it was in 33 C. E. when Jesus opened up the Hebrew scriptures to His true followers, so it is necessary for Jesus to open up the full meaning of the scriptures now. But questions need answering. Were those Jewish religious leaders really trying to understand scripture or were they just misusing scripture for their own gain ? And again, is any religion today, trying to understand scripture or are all religions just misusing scripture for their own gain ?
Jesus drew people out from that Jewish religion and traditions of men. But that Jewish religion had been God's chosen way up until that time.
Is there any religion now that may have been God's chosen way, and is Jesus going to draw people out from it ?
Jesus fully opened up the scriptures to only a few chosen ones. Is Jesus once again going to open up the full scriptures to a few chosen ones ?
It obviously hasn't happened yet. All religions are groping around in the dark. In the first century Jesus seemed to leave it until the last 'minute' to open up those scriptures, so will Jesus once again leave it until the 'last minute' before giving full understanding to His true followers ?
Hence I am, Patiently waiting for Truth. I think that is better than trying to rush ahead of God or Christ.
Jesus has 'all authority' and HE will open up the scriptures at His chosen time.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST
WTJWorg leaders from past, till today, showed a great desire for the "end of the world" to come in 1914, 1925, 1941, 1975, by the end of the 20th century, by the end of the overlapping generation" ... and, if we live long enough, we will still hear their new predictions in some new or changed format.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST
True comment.
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2 Tim 4:3,4
"sound doctrine" - basically meaning "healthy" doctrine. It can refer to "Christians whose opinions are free from error".
Healthy teachings are good spiritual food, good "fruit". (Matt 7:15-20) Unhealthy teachings lead to spiritual sickness, even death. But, if a leader/teacher who isn't producing sound doctrine because he is pursuing his own desires, does he really care if he is the cause of sickness and death in others?
Heb 12:15 - "See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
Rev 8:10,11 - "The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] ("bitter substance") A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter."
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in KING OF THE NORTH - MAY BROADCAST
The other day, my son video-taped his visit to a car wash. To accompany the ride, he chose endearing music from a movie about the journeys of a stuffed toy bear. I have always had dubious concerns of ground water pollution from copious amounts of rainbow-colored soap and the excess waste of water. However, while watching his video, I was fascinated how the merging of color, water and music transformed a trip to the carwash, into a captivating fantasy ride of illusion. It was enjoyable to watch, and it effectively drew my attention away from the harm those chemicals could cause to the environment.
Recently, the “king of the north” spoken of in the book of Daniel, was the topic of May’s broadcast. (Dan 11:13) The organization’s leaders are progressive experts at creating illusions, to keep their untrustworthy teachings fresh and appealing. (Isa 30:10) Just as my son’s video of combined special effects drew my attention away from my previous skepticism, it appears the governing leaders were doing their best to squelch all doubts about the “king’s” identity, that a JW may possibly harbor in their heart. (1 John 4:1)
They have spun a great big story about its various players, complete with a fancy chart, news clips from past wars, background music and firsthand experiences. The end result pulls one’s attention away from the real danger lurking among JWs. (Neh 6:10-13; Jer 14:14; John 10:7-13; 2 Tim 4:3,4)
Since 1870, this king has changed its identity three times. It is very convenient that actions in the world have aided in fulfilling a physical display of this king, that has persecuted JWs over the years. It surely has satisfied the need for the organization to prophesy falsehoods. (Prov 26:28) Now, it is said that Russia and its allies “may well be the king of the north”. Despite the fanfare announcing the king’s identity, it appears the governing speaker left the door ajar for “new light”. (Isa 50:10; 59:9) There “may well be”’ another king of the north in the future; but by their profound proposition, once hearing this video JWs will believe it is a fact that Russia is the present king of the north.
The anointed priesthood is under the New Covenant in Christ. This covenant promise is referred to as “New Jerusalem”/“Jerusalem above” – heavenly Jerusalem. (Heb 8:6-10; 9:15; Gal 4:26; Rev 3:12)
During the last days, it is prophesied that God’s holy people are confronted by a large army that rules over them. Would it be recognized as a military army suppressing not only JWs, but other religions in a specific area, which has happened in Russia? (Joel 2:1,2,6; Rev 9:3,4,7,8; Ps 57:4; Rev 13:5-7; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)
What did Jesus say about this tribulation that would come upon the saints in the last days?
Matt 24:4,5,24,25 - Jesus answered them, “Be careful not to let anyone deceive you. 5 Many will come using my name. They will say, ‘I am the Messiah (“anointed”),’ and they will deceive many people.”
“False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work spectacular, miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen. Listen! I’ve told you this before it happens.”
Any time in the past when armies and nations were allowed to conquer or take captive God’s chosen people, they had strayed from His decrees. We see this pattern of discipline throughout the Hebrew scriptures. If the warning call that was spoken through His prophets was unheeded, God removed His spiritual protection, and the enemy victimized Israel. (2 Kings 17:5-17; Isa 58:1) The practice of idolatry and listening to false prophets/teachers was the primary reason for their suffering, and was viewed by God as spiritual harlotry. (Deut 32:15; Ezek 13:8,10,12; 16:26-29; 20:21,30,32; Exod 32:2-6; 1 Cor 10:7,8)
But today’s enemy that God has allowed to overcome the saints, brings about the great tribulation. (Zech 8:9,10; Dan 12:1; Matt 24:21,22) This enemy uses a different tactic, other than the obvious. (Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:2-4,13,14; 2 Thess 2:9-10; Rev 13:13,14)
The anointed have fallen captive to fabricated stories about an organization that will lead its devoted members into the Kingdom to come. Although Jesus and the apostles tell God’s servants to be on the lookout for false teachers who would deceive the elect, in the last 150 years the anointed and thousands along with them, were taken captive, nonetheless. (Ezek 21:24; Matt 24:11; Luke 21:24; 2 Pet 2:1-3; 2 Tim 4:3,4;Eph 5:6; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)
Yes, today, through the allurement of theories, charts, news clips and videos, the attention of God’s people is directed away from the spiritual war at hand. (Ps 36:3; 101:7;Prov 11:9;26:24-26; Jer 23:25,32) (1 Pet 5:8,9; James 4:7; Rev 13:5-7; 12:3,4,15)
Although God’s anointed have sinned, this time their sins are not so apparent, since they believe they are rightly preaching the good news, and living by God’s standards. (Lam 2:14 :Isa 30:10; 6:10; Zech 7563:11 ) They take comfort in trusting the seemingly righteous “slave”, as their leaders are called, is providing “food at the proper time”. (Isa 28:1,7,8,14,15; Amos 8:11; 2 Chron 15:3; Rev 6:5,6,8; 18:8; 13:17)
We remember the prediction that Jesus proclaimed against Jerusalem:
Luke 21:20 - “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, 22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written.”
For those under the new covenant, does this prediction contain any spiritual merit today?
Consider the massive world-wide army at large within the organization. To paraphrase a book about remaining “in God’s love”, it describes the survival of an army as dependent on full obedience and cooperation toward the hierarchy of command. It then states that within that organization, compromising could put each soldier of the army in danger. The book describes “Jehovah’s” appointed servants as an army. This army of servants, is the elder body. Rebelling against appointed elders whom they say God “has put in authority over us” will put everyone at risk. The hierarchy of command must be respected.
Is the anointed “royal priesthood” exempt from this human authority placed over JWs? (1 Pet 2:5,9) No. Their role as God’s priests, has become quite insignificant and meaningless. (Isa 21:10; Dan 11:31; 2 Thess 2:4; 2 Cor 11:20)
In a discussion about the anointed ruling as active priests today (Mal 2:7), one JW here recently said, “do we not have enough spirit of God? What if they are pretending to be anointed and start to lord it over the sheep?” Isn’t it interesting how she cannot envision the pretentious counterfeit priesthood in the elder body, lording it over all JWs, especially the anointed Temple dwelling of God. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) She apparently suffers from a false sense of “peace and security”, believing fully that God’s spirit has abundantly blessed the organization. (Jer 6:14; 1 Thess 5:3)
Under the rule of a wicked slave, the anointed are beat down into silence. (Jer 23:1,2,11; Matt 24:48-51) These “living stones” have forfeited their “princely” role to become slaves of men who demand their obedience. (Eccl 10:5-7; Joel 1:6; Rev 9:7,8; Ps 57:4; Prov 24:15,16; John 10:7,8) Those that do stand and speak out supporting their Head Jesus Christ and his truths; those who proclaim that their people are downtrodden, and explain why, are then disfellowshipped. (Prov 31:8,9; John 16:2; Rev 13:11,12,15) “New Jerusalem” is surrounded by this army of elders who have been granted full authority over them, by false prophets.
In the latest monthly broadcast on the king of the north, it is hard to narrow it down to just one lie. They worked diligently to hide all truth, going so far as stating that this “king” has had three different identities since the 1870’s. What I find interesting is that their version of each king of the north, as physical nations persecuting JWs, were generally limited to the countries they mentioned – Germany, Soviet Union, and today, Russia. We don’t see JWs in the U.S., Canada, or the majority of other nations, suffering as those in Russia are presently experiencing. Does this really fulfill Bible prophesy as outlined in Daniel 11?
When God’s holy people are surrounded by the enemy of the north, this means that all of anointed “Israel” come under the dominate rule over them. Dan 10:14 and Gal 6:16 was referred to as spiritual Israel being the target of persecution, yet it was never clearly specified just who are “Israel”. (Rom 2:28,29) I can imagine that all JWs fully believe they are God’s chosen spiritual “Jews”, which only refers to the anointed priesthood/”living stones” of God’s Temple and Body of Christ. (1 Pet 2:5; Col 1:19; 2:9; John 14:23; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19) I suppose this generalization helps support their theory of JWs suffering in Russia.
To make their claim, it was necessary to select certain scriptures and apply them to each “king of the north” for its physical fulfillment. As a whole, one of the three identities could not fulfill all cited scriptures. Not so, when applying Daniel’s abomination of desolation/”disgusting thing” ruling over or ”sitting” in the Temple of God, which is the elder body. (Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) The “daily sacrifice” or “constant feature” has been removed from the anointed priests and replaced with sacrifices to an idol, offered by the counterfeit priesthood in the elder body. (Dan 11:31)
However, the governing leader states that this “constant feature” was removed by Germany, which “hurled denunciations against the holy covenant.” The removal of this constant feature is said to be the limitation of JWs to preach in that country. Again, those under the holy New Covenant, are the anointed.
The "daily sacrifices" are connected to the priesthood selected by God, since it has been established. Under Aaron, these sacrifices provided atonement for sins on behalf of the people. Today, in the spiritual Temple of God, of which they are members of, they offer sacrifices of praise and truth. (Num 18:5,7, 8; Heb 10:11; 1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:9,10)
To add to their lies, these leaders tell us that after WWII, the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place” (Matt 24:15) was set up by the Soviet Union, another king of the north, and Britain; that being, the United Nations. There is no holy place (God’s Temple /sanctuary or otherwise) in, or near the United Nations.
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The fourth Beast of Daniel, is the enemy of the north, and is Revelation’s Wild Beast from the Sea. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:1,2) This enemy is described as locusts/scorpions in the book of Joel and in Rev. 9. It is the “man of lawlessness” in 2 Thess 2:3,4. Today’s “Israel” is spiritual; the “northern” enemy that God’s anointed fall captive under, are “Gentiles”. The organization claims the Gentile times ended in 1914. (Luke 21:24) Even when looking through their physical lens, how do they justify this, in the light of persecution JWs suffer in certain nations? And although they are in error of the identity of today’s “disgusting thing standing in the holy place”, (which originally was the Gentile Roman army invading Jerusalem and the temple) why do they claim it is present today, if the Gentile times are over?
Pearl Doxsey:
First, the power of the Gentiles over ALL CHOSEN, is a common test which all are subjected to previous to being sealed, no matter when they live.
This is why Paul said that the "man of lawlessness" was already present in the first century (2 Thess 2:7). The "man of lawlessness" is Satan's seed, but it is Gentile (from the "sea") (not Chosen/anointed), symbolized by the Wild Beasts from the "sea" (Dan 7:3; Rev 13:1).
The fourth Beast has ten horns (Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1).... identical to its father, Satan (Rev 12:3).
As such, the Wild Beast is Satan's son ("son of destruction" –2 Thess 2:3; Rev 9:11),
heir to Satan's dominion, as we see at Rev 13:1,2,4. The Gentile "man of lawlessness" is called the "son of destruction" (2 Thess 2:3).
Satan is "destruction" (Rev 9:11; Isa 33:1; John 10:10).
This "son" consists of the Gentiles that are raised up [by means of "weeds"/harlots/false prophets/wicked steward [Rev 9:1,3; 13:11,15; 17:7; 19:20; Dan 8:24]
…in the midst of the Holy Temple priesthood, and they trample it (Rev 11:2; 13:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 11:36,38; Jer 19:4) (Dan 11:23; Rev 13:14,15; 19:20).
From “Gentile Times”/”Great Tribulation”/Cleansed Priesthood
It was stated in the broadcast, that C.T. Russel, the man who predicted Armageddon’s arrival in 1914, and who proclaimed the Great Pyramid of Giza as “God’s stone witness”, is said to have discarded teachings not based on the Bible. Unbelievably, his writings were compared to the early Christians who 'concentrated on truths in God’s word'. He and his group are said to be the “messenger” of Mal 3:1 who prepared the way “before Jehovah”. Jesus had commented that the first messenger to prepare the “way”, was John the Baptist, in the spirit of Elijah. (Mal 3:1; Matt 11:10; 17:10-13)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, ‘This is the one I spoke about when I said, “He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.”’) John 1:14,15
Why wasn’t the organization’s messenger preparing the way for the coming of God’s Son and representative, Jesus Christ?” The inspired message of “Elijah” that arrives in the last days, is to the anointed priesthood, whose “daily sacrifices” have been cut off by the “man of lawlessness”. Through deceit, God’s anointed have allowed it to happen. Jesus reminds them of this in Rev 3:8-13. (Mal 3:1-6; Matt 25:1-13)
Dan 11:38, is another cited scripture in the broadcast – “Instead, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his ancestors did not know—with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.”
What organization of “fortresses”/towers, does the full leadership admonish JWs to give respect and honor to? No, this scripture is not fulfilled by the Soviet Union, that ‘tried to eliminate religion in the lands under its control’. It is fulfilled by the “mountainlike organization” that has thrown truth to the ground by trampling God's priests and the truth held in their hearts. (Dan 8:12) Faithful JWs will not abandon the idol they believe will bring them salvation. (Jer 2:11; 1:16; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4,15; Dan 8:24)
The leader mentioned a few times how the enemy comes against the “land of decoration”, defining this land as the entire activity of JWs, including worship through meetings and field ministry. (Dan 8:9; 11:16; 11:41) More appropriately, the translation for these scriptures should be the “beautiful”/”glorious”/”pleasant” land – God’s “land”/”inhabited earth” – the dwelling of His Spirit and Temple built on the body of Christ. (John 14:23;2:21; 1 Cor 3:9,16; Eph 2:20-22)
Regarding this “man of lawlessness”/ enemy from the north, and his transgressions against God’s homeland, Dan 11:45 states:
“He will pitch his royal tents between the seas and the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.”
“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.” Dan 12:1
“And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.” Joel 2:32
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Arauna in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying
Moses was a prince before and well-educated. He was the chosen one of Jehovah. Something to say when they came up against him.... Yet, when others treated him badly he remained mild tempered. So why can we not comply without a temperamental attitude. This attitude beats me.
I have told sisters who work with me in Arabic field (preaching to Islamic people) to wear a long dress with sleeves - no matter how hot it is. They can wear a long cotton dress. Why? I understand the Islam culture and how it may affect their attention to our message and respect for women. These sisters could become difficult if they want to - but I will not take them along.
Am I a dictator ? ...or am I watching out for them, for Jehovah and our message!
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying
God made tails on dogs, too.
The cruel and clueless have them cut off for the sake of "fashion".
...usually cat owners.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying
Oh I didn't know they mentioned wearing a suit and tie in the scriptures. The Elders really did kick off at me when i used to attend meetings in an open neck shirt and no jacket in the heat of the summer. The summer weather that God himself created for our enjoyment, but by rules of men, people are made to suffer.