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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
You are correct. My mistake, although you only used that to sidetrack from my comment about atrocities.
And once again we have you, a pretend Christian, calling me names.
JWs would receive nothing by holy spirit, hence they use the Clergy Privilege excuse in court cases.
Then I fully hope that as many JWs, GB members et al, will be exposed as liars asap. Because that would be a true witness against false religious teachings and practices.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Would falsely predicting Armageddon on many occasions just to frighten people into the Orgs, and would stating that a person MUST BE a baptised JW to be saved, count toward atrocities ?
Would deliberately misusing the Romans 13 scripture to give power and authority to the Leaders of the Orgs be classed as an atrocity ?
And would the Leaders giving orders to Elders, and the Elders obeying such orders, to keep CSA and known pedophiles information secret inside the JW Org, qualify as atrocities ?
Well I think it would, especially to those people seriously affected by such actions.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Well said. Although, the topic gets heated from the moment you send 8 million people to preach that all religions will be destroyed because they don’t believe the way they should believe in God, and that’s the JW way. At such a moment, the alleged tolerance of another’s religious belief becomes an empty phrase. On one side JW gave picture of how tolerant they as people are, but in same time preaching how they worship intolerant God who will destroy them/other people because of their religion.
Does a JW member "like" someone else's religion? If he liked it, he might become a member of such a religion. But the JW member only likes his religion, and towards others he does not have such a kind of tolerance nor does he have it in such quantity that he would “like it”. Please nicely, let us explain what this might mean at all if a JW member have feeling and attitude; "I like other religions and I am very tolerant of them, but God will destroy them one day and i am glad that He will do it"?
If it is so as you said what Massimo Introvigne stand for, then that is not JW way/model of "religious tolerance".
OT records speaking about God who have no tolerance for false way of worshiping Him. Neither to worship some other God in different/opposite religion. And JW members also using such Bible verses to enforce and empower own religious attitude about this issue. By that, it is questionable about what sort of "religious tolerance" is about, here and now, inside JW Church.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
With me? Almost nothing is wrong.
What is wrong withe their "evidence"? Do you have some link, that we be able to look at those "evidences"?
No, it is not. But you mentioned M.I. tolerance about religious ideologies. And we are witnesses how WTJWorg teachings promote how religious coexisting is not future for human society, but contrary, that all religions, except JW religion, will be destroyed by JW God. Well, is it question of simplified "interpretation" or is it JW doctrinal, cultural and social standpoint?
Not necessary. And not in this circumstances we living now. But in "New World", GB members gave interpretations (spoken and written), how they will get power and be delegated, by God JHVH, that they as Kings and Priests will be able to do such things. Today, GB is able and in power to complete spiritual sort of "punishments".
.... triangle of historical friends and enemies
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
It is well known that JWs do not consider themselves as a cult. But they are not considered self to be a “new religion”, also, because they claim their roots go all the way back to Abel. The cooperation between CESNUR and WTJWorg is based on which premise? That the JWs are a “new religion” but not a cult, however, also with a strong belief that they originated from the faithful Abel, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, which put them in the "oldest religion in the world?
It follows from this collaboration with CESNUR that WTJWorg is willing to put JW in the status of a “new religion” because of opportunism, and thus renounces its supposedly unique origins dating back to the first days of man’s origin.
The question of evil is not only a theological question, but also a philosophical one. From the aspect of the interpretation of the Biblical writings we come to the idea that the so-called "universal question aka issue" about which (1,2, or 3 "issue" or questions in WTJWorg theology about evil*) has long been answered by both humans and angels and by the Only Begotten Son. Well, the JW doctrine of why evil exists and why God allows it to this day and to an unknown day in the future is neither a satisfactory nor a solid doctrine. It is "light" that sometimes is in collision to other Bible records and events and even to some promises made by writers in God's name.
*The Issue That All Creation Has to Face - https://www.jw.org/hr/biblioteka/knjige/Ujedinjeni-u-obožavanju-jedinog-pravog-Boga/Sporno-pitanje-s-kojim-su-suočena-sva-stvorenja/
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Are Voltaire's texts a recommended read for JW members?
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
In your world of your reality, does this statement also apply to GB and doctrines they promote?
According to GB interpretation of Bible text, GB would not allow any faiths (in this system of things nor in the any future system), that is not under WTJWorg, to exist.
WTJWorg GB is not voice for religious tolerance between religions. They also stifle any religious tolerance within their own church toward those who have different interpretations of the biblical text.
How is this different from the WTJWorg organization and its teachings? GB claims to be the only mediator / channel for the communication of truth between God and people on earth today. They preach that they are the only true religion / truth in the world.
GB stand on same position.
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I am of the opinion, and @Witness also spoke about it, that the German court did not deal with reading and interpreting the WTJWorg editions (published for the public and the one for internal use) which speaks of the disputed elements. WTJWorg, I presume, simply made a statement in court that FECRIS was telling lies and slandering. Does FECRIS have studious investigations and knowledge/insight of WTJWorg such as ex-JW? It takes decades of working, reading, and linking events so that one can see what GB is teaching, how it changes instructions, and how the various BOE bodies and individual elders operate in a variety of circumstances.
In ARC various depositions of JW elders + GB member we see good picture how "truth" becomes a lie. But such a lie works wonders. It liberates.... and fulfills Jesus' statement: "You will know the truth (will see the true face of your religious leaders) and the truth will set you free."
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Has the German Court read the magazines?
See the anointed in Wt's heaven below, posted under the fair use act for teaching purposes only, as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law, and freely obtained from Google's images.
Can you spot a female among them? Now, if the court wants to argue that men also receive a "change of nature" by becoming clones, well...that is true. Yet, they are still men, while not one woman can be distinguished from the group of male clones. Putting both oars in the water to understand Wt's twists, takes some critical thinking. I doubt the German Court will invest the time to untwist Wt's deception. That goes for all the points I have made above.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg
So I did a little bit of digging as to this name above.
Among their corporations, the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses cares for matters specific to Jehovah's Witnesses special full-time servants. In a particular branch, traveling overseers, special pioneers, and branch staff are considered members of the Order of Special Full-time Servants and the Bethel Family.[16] Globally, their order is the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[17] Male and female members of such religious orders typically make a formal vow of poverty and are granted certain status and exemptions by many governments. While Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider members of their religious orders to be a clergy separate from other Witnesses, who are also ordained ministers, they do recognize that a government may consider them such for administrative purposes.
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The Order of Special Full-Time Servants appears to be a religious order of Jehovah's Witnesses. What is a religious order in the context of Witness theology? Is it theologically meaningful at all? To what purpose do people join this order? When do they leave? (Do they leave?) How does the whole thing work?
yb95 pp. 5-6 Jehovah’s Witnesses—1995 Yearbook Report ***
Among the full-time workers were 15,145 members of the global Bethel family. They help to provide literature, supervision, and other beneficial services in support of the worldwide work of Bible education. Of these, 5,082 serve at the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, and at nearby facilities. All of them are members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, a religious order that is devoted exclusively to the ministry.
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Unfortunately a lot of info' / web pages are blocked from UK viewers. So it was difficult to get any real details.
Yes I did try JW Org site, but no results came up. But once again I didn't see the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses connected to the W&BTS ???
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Matthew9969 in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg
Yeah, sure looks like the end is coming any day now.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg
Another ten years maybe ? Too much to happen and the True Anointed remnant have to be actively serving God properly through Christ and guiding the 'earthly class' in the right direction. Now that has to happen before all religion is completely banned earthwide. So we need some true guidance asap. It is not goingto come through the GB of the W/t.
The A/V studio will be fitting for the GB and their helpers, because all they do is play act and pretend to serve God.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Matthew9969 in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg
They are starting to resemble cultish mega churches.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Outside, or inside the organization? Outside, they most certainly fight to impose their view on others through legislation. They always have through history. Inside? Soft violence is used every day by the GB against the anointed. Matt 24:48-51 When someone tells you not to seek out and gather with brothers and sisters to read and study the word of God, that is "soft" violence enacted against a people - a spiritual nation. These are "living" temple stones figuratively scattered throughout the congregations of JWs; yet, surrounded by elder "Gentiles". (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) Soft violence can crush an individual into submission; or worse, into spiritual destruction. Luke 19:44; 21:6 (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
"other faiths"...the faith promoted by the organization is total reliance on...the organization. This is a faith contrary to what the scriptures teach. The "other faith" found in the organization is within the hearts of the anointed and should be practiced by them. But, they have become submissive to "organizational" faith under the rule of men. Is any tolerance found regarding where their faith should lie?
"For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, 4 since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments 5 and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ. " 2 Cor 10:4,5
that is raised up against the knowledge of God,
Nowhere can it be found in the scriptures that support the rulership of "uncircumcised" men over God's anointed Temple dwelling. (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Matt 24:15,16)
the demolition of strongholds.
What is the stronghold that will be demolished by the Word of God, the Spirit of God? The mountainlike organization that destroys His people with soft violence. Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8; 13:5-7; 19:20; Isa 2:12-18
If only the anointed and all JWs would realize to...
Put no more trust in a mere human,
who has only the breath in his nostrils.
What is he really worth? Isa 2:22
The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Unfortunately, I can only comment on an article by M. Introvign, and M.I. it is known to us from a particular and specific context from before.
It would be good to have court documentation, so that I would be able to give a clearer "opinion".
The article shows a detail that includes Russia and its judiciary with the JW and with "Western democracy." In this case, German democracy gives an opinion on Russia and its domestic policy towards the JW. This creates a problem and doubts the objectivity of the German court. On the other hand, we have the example of American courts that do not want to enter into theological debates and evaluate what and how which religion teaches and how it disciplines and guide its members. It does not discuss the internal rules and methods of church bodies. According to the article, this is also about such things.
quote: The court also found that FECRIS distorts the theology and practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the intention of defaming them
WTJWorg in Germany seeks the opinion and approval of the court that certain JW theology and practices are correct. From whose point of view should it be correct? Court view? They also ask the court to declare certain observations of external observers to be false. It is possible that someone at FECRIS did not do a good research so he said the inaccuracy. ... quote: (Sometimes, it is unclear whether FECRIS activists, who claim to be experts on “cults,” are in bad faith or simply incompetent. They published the case of a 17-year-old Dutch girl who died during a measles epidemic in 2013 after her parents had refused vaccination for religious reasons and implied she was a Jehovah’s Witnesses. In fact, she was a member of a Calvinist Christian Reformed congregation, i.e., belonged to a church known for being a staunch opponent of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.)
How the elders (and JW lawyers) in the Judicial Communities working, is evident from some other court documents and videos. If the elders were to make their notes available, (if they were written) rather than destroyed them as instructed by the GB Legal Department and representatives, then perhaps this “story” should be different.
quote: The German Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the District Court of Hamburg to examine 32 statements. The court found 17 of them defamatory, one partially defamatory, and 14 non-defamatory.
What is the content of these 14 and 1/2 ? They are true, right? Can you find out what this is about?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
"the marketplace of ideas" :)))
This forum with JW Open Club is marketplace of ideas, too. How would you describe the participants confronting their ideas? Who are the buyers and who are the sellers? What is their business ethics? Are there any restrictions on what ideas are allowed? ... etc.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture.
Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession."
So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
If the leaders of the organization were genuinely living for the Kingdom to come, they would drop all of this crap and walk away. But, their kingdom is of THIS world, and like the evil one, they don’t want to lose it. (John 18:36; 1 John 5:19) They have taught their followers to also support their cause, to support their kingdom, and their lies; which is alienated from the kingdom that lies in the hearts of those in Jesus Christ. (Luke 17:21; 1 Cor 3:16) It has nothing to do with earthly treasures or legal rights. (Luke 4:5,6; Matt 6:19-21)
The leaders have been living under a cloak of apparent humility, but the intentions of their hearts are becoming quite clear to the world at large. No longer can they hide their true selves, that which lies beneath white-washed tombs. Matt 23:27,28
God is concerned with the "legal system" that His holy people live under - His saints/anointed and all JWs who put up with internal organizational corruption. To believe that the Wt. is innocent on all accounts, and that its sins are ignored by the Father and Jesus Christ, is pure foolishness.
Woe to the rebellious children!
This is the Lord’s declaration.
They carry out a plan, but not mine;
they make an alliance,
but against my will,
piling sin on top of sin.
2 Without asking my advice
they set out to go down to Egypt
in order to seek shelter under Pharaoh’s protection
and take refuge in Egypt’s shadow.
Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
and inscribe it on a scroll;
it will be for the future,
forever and ever.
9 They are a rebellious people,
deceptive children,
children who do not want to listen to the Lord’s instruction.
Therefore the Holy One of Israel says:
“Because you have rejected this message
and have trusted in oppression and deceit,
and have depended on them,
13 this iniquity of yours will be
like a crumbling gap,
a bulge in a high wall
whose collapse will come in an instant—suddenly!
14 Its collapse will be like the shattering
of a potter’s jar, crushed to pieces,
so that not even a fragment of pottery
will be found among its shattered remains—
no fragment large enough to take fire from a hearth
or scoop water from a cistern.” Isaiah 30
The Kingdom - 1914?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-ups-pressure-on-youtube-facebook-to-hand-over-infringers-details-210523/
After filing a lawsuit against the creator of the 'DubTown' Lego stop motion series, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, has yet more alleged infringers in its sights. In addition to targeting more YouTube users, Watch Tower is attempting to find out the identities of people posting its songs to Facebook.
As the owner of various copyright-protected works, including many registered at the US Copyright Office, the group is allowed to send DMCA takedown notices to have content removed from online platforms. As the law requires, platforms like YouTube comply with these requests but it appears that is just not enough for Watch Tower.
As reported last weekend, an individual who created a series of stop-motion Lego animations is currently being sued by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. ‘Kevin McFree’ was first targeted in 2018 via a DMCA subpoena but with that legal process stalled, Watch Tower filed a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit.
McFree (not his/her real name) is currently proceeding as a John Doe, since the earlier DMCA subpoena failed to uncover the animator’s real identity after Watch Tower met resistance from McFree’s lawyer. However, DMCA subpoenas – which do not necessarily require oversight from a judge – can prove a useful tool in obtaining people’s real names and addresses.
While this is a problem for alleged copyright infringers in any matter (such as those that involve copyright trolls), in Watch Tower related cases there is a chance that once identified, people who are current members (or have family members still in the church) could face much broader social consequences. As a result, staying anonymous carries additional importance.
Watch Tower Files a New Wave of DMCA Subpoenas
Watch Tower is no stranger to filing for DMCA subpoenas to compel YouTube to hand over the details of alleged infringers, and these can sometimes get quite messy. This week, however, Watch Tower appears to be increasing the pressure significantly.
In a wave of DMCA subpoenas targeting YouTube and also Facebook, the religious group is hoping to find out the real identities of people who uploaded Jehovah’s Witness content to the platforms. At least as far as the evidence provided reveals, none are serial infringers or mass uploaders.
In all cases, Watch Tower appears to have identified either a single upload on YouTube or Facebook, which were previously tackled by sending DMCA notices to the relevant platforms, targeting the specific content, which was removed.
Demands for All Subscriber Information
In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
Since the content has already been subjected to takedown requests, preventing ongoing infringement doesn’t appear to be a key issue. However, since Watch Tower wants to personally identify the people in question, it is possible that it will seek to communicate with them directly. What shape those conversations will take is unknown but there could be additional consequences if the group can link the alleged infringers or their family members directly to the church.
And of course, as the lawsuit against Kevin McFree shows, there is also the possibility of a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit, which at least carries the potential for up to $150,000 in statutory damages, if guilt is proven. Either way, if the people can be identified there is no good outcome.
The DMCA subpoena applications and supporting documents can be found below:
1. YouTube (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
2. YouTube (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
3. Facebook (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
4. Facebook (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
Matthew 5 : 38 through 45
“You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40 And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; 41 and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.43 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
And the GB and their lawyers continue to disobey Christ, because the GB love money and power more than they love God.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in NO EXPENSE IS SPARED
It will even have a car wash!
Why a car wash on land where wetlands are federally and state protected? This organization has a dark history of polluting other property secretly. They put up a new front of caring for the land and using environmentally sound building techniques. But the history of their coverup, will not go away.
If anyone is ecstatic about this proposal, I ask, why?
What you need to know about the 1.7-million-square-foot Watchtower project
By Peter Katz - May 22, 2021 The environmental review of a plan by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc. to build a 1.7-million-square-foot audio-visual production center with residences on 242 acres of property it owns in Sloatsburg in Rockland County with another 7 acres in Tuxedo in Orange County moves into the public hearing phase on May 26. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the nonprofit that oversees Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Ramapo Town Board scheduled the public hearing for the project’s Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Following the hearing, the board will receive public comments on the DEIS until June 21.
A rendering of the project. At the same time, the board will be conducting public hearings on a proposed zoning amendment and an amendment to the town’s Comprehensive Plan for the project.
According to Harold Corkern, Watchtower’s president, the production center would be used for the creation and production of sound, video and film recordings.
In addition, there would be living, recreational and worship facilities for employees who work at the facility as well as volunteers who assist there on a temporary basis. The street address given for the proposed facility is 155 Sterling Mine Road. The world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses is in nearby Warwick, about a 3-minute drive from the site of the proposed production center.
Corkern notes that Ramapo’s Zoning Code makes no provision for a facility of the type being proposed and Watchtower is asking that a new zoning district, Mixed Use-3, be applied to the property.
He said that in 2005 the land was rezoned to its current special residential housing district and a subdivision plan was approved that would have allowed 292 homes to be built on the land in an active-adult community. There would have been 876 bedrooms in the 292 homes, according to Corkern, compared with 645 bedrooms that Watchtower is proposing.
There would be 10 residential buildings totaling more than 711,000 square feet. There would be 323,949 square feet of offices. A fitness center would occupy 19,378 square feet, a car wash would take up 3,355 square feet and a central energy plant would cover 17,550 square feet.
The actual production studios would encompass 120,000 square feet with an additional 30,000 square feet of support and maintenance space. Other facilities would include a 118,075-square-foot visitor center, a 33,913-square-foot reception center and a 129,718-square-foot events facility. Outside there would be a backlot along with a sports field. According to documents on file with the town, none of the proposed buildings would be taller than 75 feet.
Watchtower proposes to build a 95,000-square-foot parking garage at the site. Additional parking would be in the lowest level of each residential building as well as the events facility, reception center, office building and visitor center. There would be a total of 1,143 indoor spaces for vehicles, including buses, with an additional 138 spaces at grade level. The equivalent surface area for all of the parking spaces totals 10.9-acres, according to information in the DEIS.
Watchtower states that no school-age children would live at the facility.
The buildings would be heated and cooled using geothermal heat pumps. At least some building construction would be done using mass timber, a category of wood product that is being promoted as a low-carbon alternative to concrete and steel construction.
Information in the DEIS indicates that approximately 104 acres of the property would be disturbed for the development. It says the overall landscaping approach is to keep as much native vegetation in place as possible while restoring disturbed areas to their native state of woods or meadow.
Small areas of lawn are planned for the site with native trees and shrubs being used for the majority of the site, which it is said will help control stormwater runoff. There are both federally and state protected wetlands on the property as well as areas of steep slopes, bedrock outcroppings and undisturbed forests, all sensitive environmental features.
https://westfaironline.com/136538/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-1-7-million-square-foot-watchtower-project/
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
GB Interpretation:
With a little help by/with from WTJWorg GB Lawyers/Legal Department?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
I just found this on JW Org.
What Does the Bible Say About Revenge?
The Bible’s answer
Even though a person may feel justified in taking revenge, doing so goes against the Bible’s counsel: “Do not say: ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will get even with him.” (Proverbs 24:29, footnote) The Bible contains advice that has helped many overcome a desire for revenge. What is wrong with seeking revenge?
If someone offended or harmed you, it is natural to feel angry and to want the other person to be punished for what he or she did. However, taking personal revenge is not in harmony with the Bible’s message. Why?
When humans seek their own revenge, it displeases God. In the Bible, Jehovah God says: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19) The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge. (Romans 12:18) But what if such peaceful avenues are exhausted or unavailable? The Scriptures admonish us to trust in Jehovah to right all wrongs.—Psalm 42:10, 11.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
It's not about being happy with it, it's about having a true Christian personality and being obedient to the words of God through Christ. And acting in harmony with the scriptures :
Hebrews 10 : 32 though 34.
However, keep remembering the former days in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great struggle along with sufferings. 33 At times you were publicly exposed both to reproaches and to tribulations, and at times you shared with those who were having such an experience. 34 For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession.
So it seems that the GB should accept joyfully what is happening. But they have no true faith and therefore they will not be obedient to God.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
But what you are deliberately avoiding is the fact that Jesus understood law and true justice BUT he said those words I quoted from Matthew.. Jesus did not say take them all to court and grab as much money as you can when you sue them.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details
In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
You Tube and Facebook could easily avoid this. They only need to declare themselves a kind of religion and appoint their employees or volunteers as clergy. They could then invoke the priestly privilege of not disclosing privileged information about their members.
Because WTJWorg and JW are actually legal entities, they are a firm / business. In this context, everything they "intellectually" produce is their "property". BUT, there is a problem of another kind. WTJWorg claims that all of this/that is “spiritual food” that comes from God and Christ, because they are, reportedly, led by HS to write magazines and books, to make songs and movies. If it is truly “spiritual food from God,” then it is not the property of WTJWorg and JW nor in any way. Neither in a legal sense, nor in an intellectual sense. Nor is it for moral and ethical reasons. For they cannot prove before any Court, or Judicial Committee, that it was God who chose exactly them to defend the intellectual-doctrinal property of God or Christ.
If WTJWorg and JW have a problem because of the content or the way other people comment, criticize, or reveal the religious teaching of the JW Church, then that is another topic. Well, doesn't it say in the Bible: For free you have received, for free you have given. If WTJWorg and JW truly believe this, then WTJWorg's lawsuits are completely outside the teachings of the Bible.
By this it would be that the requirement/lawsuits sought by WTJWorg and JW is contrary to Biblical principles. Any and each JW who acts contrary to Biblical Principles is not a Witness for either YHVH or Christ.
The irony and hypocrisy is that WTJWorg teaches how members have to suffer evil and not retaliate against “enemy attacks”, but wait for JHVH to give comfort and strength to endure. Strength To Endure, not Strength to Fight Back. :))
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...
Some things are very difficult to understand.
Like a St. Bernard giving birth to 12 Chihuahua mix puppies.