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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce.
“Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce.
“Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from César Chávez in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce.
“Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9
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Kick_Faceinator got a reaction from Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce.
“Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
So…the bible published by the Wt, and in the hands of all JWs doesn't reveal who they are? Their ipad cannot be hacked? The international message sent to various individuals in governments, doesn’t reveal who JWs are?
Is it because the older publications’ messages were one of total destruction of all in the world accept JWs? Is that message now being softened?
What about the fondly called “basement video”, where JWs stand strong before the army coming after them? They could only hide for so long!
On the other hand, you have the May broadcast, where your leader and helper reveal today’s “king of the north”, as Russia, with a strong message about persecution happening at their hands, complete with vivid imagery. I'm sure Russian leaders have access to the internet. But, these speakers are rather safe in their gated haven; while JWs in Russia, are sitting ducks no matter if their books are discarded, or not.
If we are persecuted for the sake of Jesus Christ, should we worry about our ourselves and our faith being exposed? Matt 5:10-12
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
There will be 'persecution' of the GB, the Watchtower, the CCJW and JW Org, but it will not be because they serve God properly. And they have destroyed the evidence of witnesses of CSA, evidence given to Elders behind closed doors. THAT is what would give the GB et al away.
But can you not understand one reason for the 'turn against Christianity' (and all other religions), when ALL so called religions are trying to hide pedophiles in their organisations and all religions are telling lies.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Matthew9969 in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Gotta burn the evidence of what was truth is now a lie.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED
Donated money to publish these books? Out the window.
Is this is a sign of poverty? Not for the leadership, but possibly for those who work endlessly to donate funds toward the earthly dreams of false teachers. (Luke 4:5-7; Phil 3:19)
Spiritual food once stored in a stuffy, moldy toolbox? Sifted and tossed out.
Is this a sign of spiritual famine?
Amos 8:11 - Look, the days are coming -- this is the declaration of the Lord GOD -- when I will send a famine through the land: not a famine of bread or a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.
"You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
I am the Vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him bears much fruit, for [otherwise] apart from Me [that is, cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing." John 15:16,5
“But understand this, that in the last days dangerous times [of great stress and trouble] will come [difficult days that will be hard to bear]. 2 For people will be lovers of self [narcissistic, self-focused], lovers of money [impelled by greed], boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane, 3 [and they will be] unloving [devoid of natural human affection, calloused and inhumane], irreconcilable, malicious gossips, devoid of self-control [intemperate, immoral], brutal, haters of good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of [sensual] pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of [outward] godliness (religion), although they have denied its power [for their conduct nullifies their claim of faith].
Avoid such people and keep far away from them. 6 For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate morally weak and spiritually-dwarfed women weighed down by [the burden of their] sins, easily swayed by various impulses, 7 always learning and listening to anybody who will teach them, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Tim 3:1-7 AMP Bible
Therefore, the Lord God says this,
“Listen carefully, My servants will eat, but you will be hungry;
Indeed, My servants will drink, but you will be thirsty;
Indeed, My servants will rejoice, but you will be put to shame.” Isa 65:13
Famine and Thirst
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Are you Jewish? Sometimes? "G-d"/God.
The name of Jesus was given as a human pronunciation in the Bible. The name of God, was not.
The name "Jehovah" will not be used in the Kingdom, as much as JWs would love that, and believe that this pronunciation IS correct for the name of God.
Strong's 1943: "hovah" - a ruin, disaster, wicked
"The pronunciation Jehovah, in addition to appearing in some biblical versions, is also used by Freemasons, and Rosicrucians"
C.T. Russel's memorial stone
http://exatoverdade.blogspot.com.br/2013/03/testemunha-de-yahawah.html "However, those who are looking for the Truth, should ask themselves: Could someone choose the term “hovah” (wicked) on purpose to blaspheme the Name of God? Is it not the purpose of Satan to put his name (Wicked, the cause of ruin and disaster) in the place of the Name of God? Wouldn't Satan like to have the world calling on His Name, that is, the world calling on the Attributes of Satan - "Wicked, Causing Ruin and Disaster"?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Yes he did “exist” for three days, in Spirit.
1 Cor 15:45 – ‘So it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.’
Jesus always carried the Spirit of life within him. He carried the breath of God, the force of life, when he walked the earth. (John 20:21,22; Rom 8:2) As we’ve discussed before, when Jesus died, he witnessed to the disobedient spirits in the abyss. He was made alive by that Spirit after his physical death, and this was before his fleshly body was resurrected by the Father. So, he didn’t really die completely, since the flesh means nothing – the Spirit is the one who gives life. (John 6:63) He never sinned, and death could not hold him...which is why he was made alive by the Spirit after his body died. (Acts 2:24; John 1:5)
“For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared. In it a few—that is, eight people—were saved through water.” 1 Pet 3:18-20
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
You are well trained by your GB. They would be proud of using you the way they do. How does it feel to be used by men ? Men that have turned their backs on God and Christ. Men that guess at dates and times. Men that 'tread on' the True Anointed ones. And you swallow their every word and worship those men.
What exactly do you think a 'soul' is ? The soul is the actual person, the human being, not a seperate item.
I don't think Almighty God was thinking about the life expectancy of 'The Word' when God created ' The Word'. When 'The Word' = Christ was working alongside his Father it was a long way before the creation of Adam, so I wouldn't think God was 'working on' the immortality of Christ. There would have been no need for it. Death wasn't even happening until life was created here on Earth.
Once again I say, some people do try their best to complicate matters, and to try to stumble others, don't you ?
It would look like you are the troll here trying to cause complications.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
I've given the answer a hundred times already. Do not compare the JW religion with the 'world'. Compare the JW religion with God's words in the Bible, and compare it with the instruction from Jesus Christ and the Apostles who WERE inspired by God's Holy Spirit...
It is sooooooooooo cowardly to compare the W/t, CCJW, JW Org, with something you already know is wicked.
And what you and others don't like is, that i admit that i do not know it all. Hence my new AKA.
As for your questionaire, no thanks. I don't need to prove to others that I have a strong faith in God through Christ based on accurate knowledge. God allows me to understand enough from His word to give me faith in Him, but I don't expect to have the full knowledge that is for the True Anointed ones.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
The words of JESUS recorded at Matthew 5:48, and Jesus did his Father's will, so this is God's instruction.
New Living Translation
But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
English Standard Version
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Berean Study Bible
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Berean Literal Bible
You shall be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.
King James Bible
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
New King James Version
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
OK, can you read that ok ? It is scripture you know. Do you understand scripture ?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
Jesus said to his people,
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it." Matt 10:34-39
We have another fulfillment of Christ's words today, as a result of the organization and God's people within it. Disfellowshipping causes family division. If one leaves to follow CHRIST completely, they "lose" the life they had known; yet, nothing in the scriptures designates that they have made the wrong decision. Only men and their doctrine say so. Who should we follow? Christ or men? The path of following him outside the organization comes with difficulty. Why? Because of what the WT leaders have instructed their members to do - shun those who leave the organization - for whatever reason they may leave.
Is that "preaching" Jesus' words of love?
I can't tell you how many times I have pleaded with JWs to adhere to Rev 18:4-8 and Matt 24:15,16 If I hated them, would I bother to even mention it? I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't consider investing my time in explaining who the man of lawlessness is and where "he" is found. I have a family; a husband, children, grand children, two dogs, and a large flock of birds. I have plenty to keep me busy. I wouldn't be concerned for every anointed and companion in the Watchtower who face judgment now, in this time of "tribulation". I just wouldn't care. But, Holy Spirit does something to a person when it is needed.
With the advent of the man of lawlessness, which is the elder body assuming control over the anointed priesthood, (please, consider your position in front of God, elders) "trampling" Christ's bodily members is the same as trampling Christ. John 15:20; Acts 9:4,5 Marking an individual anointed one as spiritually dead for following their Head, Jesus Christ, is a sin against the Holy Spirit which resides in their heart. 2 Cor 6:16; 1 John 2:27 A spiritual "killing" by the elders is not physical, but symbolic, and exactly what the Wild Beast/ man of lawless accomplishes against God's servants in Rev 13:1,2,4-9,15; 11:7
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb 10:28-31
Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod.And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, (1 Cor 3:16,17) the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” Rev 11:1-3
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Matthew9969 in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
If Jehovah did have one true organization, He wouldn't be giving them false information.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
Did Jesus regularly visiting Temple and Synagogues, led by Jew Priesthood, and humbly obey lessons given by Priesthood?
If He didn't, than we can rightly speaking about that how He rejected Temple and all what Temple representing to Jew people. He expected from people to follow Him, and not Temple and Priesthood in Temple. By that He also showed how He rejecting Temple.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
Where did Jesus say the preaching would be done in the last days?
What I am doing? Who do I “preach” to? Who does Pearl “preach” to? Who do others I know preach to? Spiritual “Israel” – the anointed, and also those with them. Matt 10:23 This preaching will not finish before "the Son of Man comes".
And also…
“those exiting the “city” – JWs who are leaving the Watchtower. Rev 18:4-8; Matt 22:8-10
Proof is not in “increased proclamation of Jesus”, since the Mormons do the same thing. My neighbor, a Baptist, does the same thing. Besides, your proclamation is primarily of the organization as salvation, not Jesus alone as our salvation. Proof is not evident in hundreds of carts toting magazines and books soon to be outdated and possibly discarded, but in the power of Holy Spirit and His purpose to use even a few people to accomplish a large task. Zech 4:6,7; Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3
The article gives you absolute proof. The quotes from the WT, give you absolute proof. God favors His “special possession”, His priesthood. Yet, right now, they are silenced. He does not “favor” the organization, but He allows it to exist. He is allowing His anointed to be “sifted” by Satan. Luke 22:31 The proof is in scripture. Read 2 Thess 2:1-4. Tell me, how will the “man of lawlessness” “sit” in the Temple of God? The anointed Temple members are “safe” in the Watchtower. 1 Thess 5:3 How will “Gentiles” take over God’s sanctuary in Rev 11:1-3? How will this take place outside of the organization when the anointed are inside? 1 Cor 3:16,17
It is an “inside” operation. If God’s Temple priests are TOLD by men they cannot BOND OR SEEK OUT OTHER ANOINTED ONES, can you see that God’s Temple is “trampled”? Matt 24:15; Dan 8:13
Daniel describes the fourth Beast that tramples God’s saints. The organization is that Beast guided by a false prophet. Dan 7:19; Rev 13:1,11
God's anointed don't just step into heaven. They must be refined and found worthy of serving God. Rev 3:18 They must completely follow Christ's footsteps; persecuted, even losing all loved ones, and considered "dead", which happens when leaving the WT. Matt 19:29; 10:39; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; Rev 2:10 Satan tests each one, and during these last days, the test is the most deceptive he has come up with, since he is about to lose his kingdom. Rev 12:3,4;12:7 The org is his magnificent ruse that is now falling apart at the seams. It really is time to get out.
Rev 16:13-15
You said, "Does this mean the ancient prophets were not sent by God to speak on his behalf?"
I answered, "NO, why would it?"
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
No, why would it?
He prophesied of the new arrangement of worship – the Temple where he would be its Head and chief cornerstone. Col 1:18; 1 Pet 2:6
Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.” John 2:19,21
“See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”Matt 23:38,39
I have proof of what God’s organization is. That is what the article was about…with scriptures. Read it again. Can YOU give ME proof that the Watchtower IS God’s visible organization?
This shows how little you know of God’s Temple priesthood and the anointed Body of Christ, Allen. We’ve been down this road before, otherwise I would not end up raising my voice with you...using capital letters.
Who is the “chief cornerstone” of your organization? The WT leaders? It cannot be Jesus since the foundation stones of God’s organization are Temple members – the apostles and prophets. Those Temple members are anointed priests, the “royal priesthood” under Christ. They make up the Body of Christ. 1 Pet 2:7; Eph 2:19-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9
That is really a weird request. Are you afraid of my using God’s word to expose truth?
We’ll start with "subjective, objective, speculative, using conjecture, being biased, and self-serving":
“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” WT 02/8/1 p. 13,14
"In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study". WT 1/16 pg 24
Are you able to conclude from your leader's quotes that God’s priesthood appointed by Him IS NOT USED, AND MUST BE SUBSERVIENT TO A "REPRESENTATIVE" PRIESTHOOD, WHICH PROVES THAT THE GENUINE ORGANIZATION OF GOD IS VEILED BY A COUNTERFEIT – THE WATCHTOWER? 2 Thess 2:3,4 CAN YOU SEE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BEAST/ORGANIZATION OF REVELATION ACCOMPLISHES?
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
The "saints", the anointed, are "overcome"/conquered by blasphemies about THEM. The source of blasphemies is "Jehovah's organization" - a counterfeit, a scam.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
Is a Body organized? How could it continue to function, if it were not? Do not our eyes work along with our hands?... Our heart beating, work in harmony with our breathing so that oxygen reaches all our cells... our kidneys cleaning our blood and our digestion to feed our whole body? Yes, God does work through an organized Body, and has done so since it's head, Jesus Christ, took over as the leader of the Christian congregation (1Cor.12:27; Col.1:18).
The fact that God is organized, and that He possesses and reigns over an organization in the earth... DOES NOT require that such an organization IS "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"! This is simple to understand. Just because a man has a wife, does not require that any woman, qualifies to be his wife.
Stating that the WT is God's visible organization, is an assumption with no basis... especially since scripture itself, identifies God's visible organization... and it is NOT the WT.
--God's Word identifies the organized Body of Christ, as the anointed Bride of Christ. That Body, is NOT the WT organization. The WT organization is a counterfeit imposition that superimposes itself upon the genuine, with the goal of replacing and veiling the genuine.
Yes... God is organized. God has a visible organization/Temple priesthood, in the earth. That organized Body of Christ, is the means through which, truth is offered to all, and through which baptism into divine truth is made possible, and a dedication to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is set within reach.
No declaration or vow of loyalty to the genuine messengers of truth and life, is required upon baptism (1Cor.1:13-15; Acts19:1-5).
The way, truth, and life from Christ (through his ambassadors), is the object of one's dedication, worship, and service, for Christ (Gal.1:10).
The body of Christ/God's Temple priesthood, is a reality (1Pet.2:5,9; Eph.2:20-22; Rev.1:5-6; 5:9-10).
It is an expression of God's organized method to offer truth and life in the visible world. The WT has stolen that identity by it's organization of impostors, replacing "Jerusalem above" with the governing body... and switching God's priests with "elders" that are spiritual Gentiles. That counterfeit temple results in the trampling down of God's chosen Bride of Christ, and establishes the "disgusting thing", taking a stand, over the "holy place". Jesus said that when we are able to perceive it, we must Flee! (Mark13:14-15; Luke17:30-37; Rev.12:14,6; 11:3)
Pearl Doxsey
4womaninthewilderness blogspot -
"The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place"
"Flee--Where?"
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?
Dear Arauna,
Just think about this; would comparing the religion of JWs to other religions, give justification for the organization set itself above other religions? How so? Shouldn’t the comparison be made instead, with the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles – the foundation of Truth? (Eph 2:20-22) A person doesn't need to be an expert in the beliefs of other religions, they need to understand God's Word.
Through examination of beliefs, if your religion falls short of that foundation, then your religion and yours only, needs to be scrutinized. (Matt 7:15-29) Gleaning the best from a pool of religions according to opinion and not according to scriptural fact, is not how we find eternal life. (John 11:25,26; John 17:1-3)
To whom do we go to for eternal life? John 6:68 Not to an organization, that has so boldly twisted this scripture by removing the name of Jesus Christ in their literature concerning it, and inserting the words, “Jehovah’s organization”. (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) There is only one narrow straight path, clear of all forks in the road that temporarily appeared to be the way of truth…or as it is known, doctrine of “new light” presented by ministers of the angel of light. (2 Cor 11:13-15)
God is not seeking people to enter into an organization that has snuffed out any truth to be found in the hearts of His anointed priesthood – the Body of Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 13:5-9; Rev 20:7-10; 12:15; Luke 17:20-30) (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 4:1-16; 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion
All this mentioned here surely relates to the 'Critical times hard to deal with' and 'the last days' of Satan's system.
So if you believe that, why fight against it ? Doesn't scripture say 'Raise you head up for your deliverence is near' ?
Why are people fighting against the things that Almighty God and Christ are allowing to happen ?
Isn't it a bit like going through surgery / an opperation, but knowing that it is all for the best in the end.
Isn't God's will taking place through this wickedness ? Isn't this all part of God's plan ?
True Christians have the hope of the resurrection and the hope of a 'new life' either in heaven or here on Earth.
The W/t, CCJW, JW org will surely fall as all business religions will. BUT true Christians will survive either through Armageddon or in the resurrection.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion
@WyattEarp = Billy the Kid = CC. You accuse @Witness of things but show no proof.
However, This Christian also implicates God as a liar. Therefore, God’s words should be invalid by “witness” standards since it contradicts scripture and God. Ironically, by the same means, she has advocated in the past at every turn of her arguments. Do NOT follow, men! Follow Her! A Woman, instead
So WE / BtK / CC show us exacty where @Witness implicates God as a liar AND show us exactly where @Witness says follow her.
@Witness has never said people should go to war. That was JTR that said war was not murder.
WT, using one more aka does you no good at all. You are still a trouble maker that twists people's comments. A bit like TTH.
Read the instruction from Jesus recorded at Matthew 5 : 38 through 45
“You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’a 39 However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b 40 And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c 41 and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.d43 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbore and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemiesf and to pray for those who persecute you,g 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens,h since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
This instruction was given to those followers of Jesus that were to become Anointed ones, as verse 45 shows. Also verse 48 proves the point.
You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
However, some of you believe that it applies to everyone, so why don'tyou live by it ? And if you believe your GB are anointed then why don't they live by it ?
Jesus words were direct
Do not resist the one who is wicked, Give to the one asking you, Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you.
I don't see it mentioning suing people for using a song or for uploading videos. I don't see it mentioning using dishonest lawyers to tell lies in court rooms. I don't see it mentioning resisting the payment of compensation for CSA commited by pedophile Elders and M/s.
Oh how your GB are turning their backs on God and Christ, just to keep their own power over people, and to keep that idol W/t / JW Org running.
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion
Should the JW member submit to GB at All Cost?
If you advocate the autonomy and independence of an individual or group or WTJWorg Corporation to resist the bad laws of “secular authorities,” then you should allow the same for JW members who need to be able to discern what is wrong with GB leadership and their doctrines and instructions.
Perhaps because Vatican is "all authority".
The Vatican City State, also known as The Vatican, became independent from Italy with the Lateran Treaty (1929), and it is a distinct territory under "full ownership, exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction" of the Holy See, itself a sovereign entity of international law, which maintains the city state's temporal, diplomatic, and spiritual independence. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City
Hmm! GB with their lawyers have deceptive words in their mouth as they presents themselves on JW TV and in Courts...
...and they do threat their "accusers" with; human rights, OSCE, UN, and "worldly" Courts, asking for "justice" from "secular judges", and not from - "him who judges justly". If GB is called to suffer in the same manner as Jesus, then why GB fight for their "property"* (in Russia or anywhere else)? Why not to be jailed and patiently wait for JHVH? Why JW fight against "bad governments" and not follow Jesus example who did not seek to be acquitted of unjust charges and released?
* according to WT publications, "property" includes all material and spiritual assets and resources, including people, JW members
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion
A)... perhaps because they are the only ones this world has at its disposal?
B)....the issue of environmental pollution is not so important, because it is God's job to clean up our mess ... one day ..... isn't it?
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Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/b/83530.pdf
Statement of Dr Massimo Introvigne, Personal Representative of the OSCE Chairperson-in-Office on Combating Racism, Xenophobia and Discrimination, also Focusing on Intolerance and Discrimination against Christians and Members of Other Religions HDIM, Warsaw, October 4, 2011
I came to this mandate with a background not as a politician or a diplomat, but with some thirty years of experience as a sociologist of religion and religious liberty activist. Those who came in touch with me this year would probably agree that this background may involve both advantages and disadvantages. The mandate is broad, and the time is short. I will limit myself to four remarks about four main areas of the mandate.
1. Racism. Social theory teaches us that economic crises generate stereotyping and scapegoating of minorities, easily degenerating into racism. Recent experience shows that this stereotyping is unfortunately not limited to marginal racist organizations, but occasionally contaminates mainline political speech. Intolerance should not be tolerated, be it intolerance against immigrants, refugees, women or any other minority. Working with NGOs and civil society is particularly important in this field, and several NGOs gave us a real treasure of information, particularly during our country visits.
2. Roma and Sinti issues. The growth of intolerance against Roma and Sinti communities is also in part a consequence of the international economic crisis. Two main aims of the mandate have been to involve directly Roma organizations in any international and domestic discussion about their community, and to facilitate conversations between the same Roma organizations, ODIHR specialized personnel, and some participating States. At least with respect to certain States, some real progress has been made, although visits to settlements and communities in several countries confirmed that much remains to be done.
3. Members of other religions. I fully understood my mandate not to be only about Christians, and recently had a significant meeting with leaders of the Sikh community in what is now the largest European Sikh temple, in Northern Italy. They report that problems still exist, but their situation has significantly improved in several participating States. I also interacted with so called traditional or "tribal" religions, particularly - in conversation with the World Intellectual Property Organization and other relevant actors in this field - in connection with one of their concerns, the protection of their "traditional knowledge" through the use, and the prevention of possible misuse, of intellectual property. But I also tried not to forget the non-traditional religions and experiences, by meeting representatives of both new religious movements and of secular humanist organizations, which are struggling for appropriate forms of legal recognitions in some countries.
4. Christians. The September 12, 2011 conference on hate crimes against Christians in Rome, with its quite high attendance, confirmed that these crimes are a matter of great international concern. The spiral of intolerance against Christians can be described through a three-step model. First comes intolerance, a cultural phenomenon. Second, discrimination, a legal process. Third, hate crimes. The social actors involved in the three steps are obviously different. But there is a slippery slope from the first step to the second and from the second to the third. I am very much aware that my role as Representative is not to be a spokesperson for any Christian church or community. But it involves hearing their claims and complaints, checking the facts, and discussing these claims with the relevant participating states. It should be recognized that not all claims should be accepted at face value. Christian churches and communities may have been responsible of hurting local sensitivities in different ways. But it is also a fact that intolerance against Christians is growing in many countries and regions.
My mandate is about building bridges. Bridges between countries. Bridges between religions. Bridges between religions and governments. Bridges between believers and unbelievers. Bridges between those who cherish the religious heritages of their countries and those who cherish traditions of separation between church and state.
Bridges are also about friendship. Let me conclude by mentioning that in this year I saw professional acquaintances grow into real friendships with personnel of OSCE , ODIHR and the Lithuanian chairmanship, women and men of great professional capabilities and moral integrity. For this, I am particularly grateful.
GB and JW representatives refuse any dialogue with representatives of other religions (except perhaps when they communicate through real estate agents while selling KH to another “fake” religion).
In this aspect, Massimo argues that he builds bridges between religions.
Is “building bridges between religions” something JWs want? From what we know the answer is, No. But WTJWorg GB doesn't mind, for now, that Massimo Introvigne wants to achieve exctly that with his work.
WTJWorg complains that others (whole world) are intolerant of them and discriminate and hate them. Well, can’t the same be found in a JW assembly whose members refuse to greet a former member when they meet on the street? Not greeting someone you know is not only rude and unkind, it is intolerant, discriminatory and hateful. It is the demolition, the burning of bridges.