Pudgy

When I mentioned to someone “I have been stumbled……“, I just hate it when they get a hammer and strips of bamboo and drive it under my fingernails, or take some vise grip pliers and pull off my kneecaps.
 
I just hate that, don’t you?

AND CATS! ….. don’t get me started about CATS!

You know if Jesus didn't want us to judge whether or not to bother with talking to some people he wouldn't have told us not to cast our pearls before swine.  BUT I suppose SOME people are pig-whisperers.

Thank you and apology accepted. 

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.
I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.
What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.
And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.
This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.
At the end of the day, it was my post.

Or, do you truly believe that jehovah is the only one who can rule the earth successfully.  This entails absolute obedience. 

This is very true. (I never thought it did, either.) It occurred to me to include the scripture because it's a reference I had in mind when @Anna was speaking of those in Calcutta, for example.

Anytime I hear the whiney sound "I was stumbled!" I want to dump a bucket of ice water over that person's head.

From what I hear the local saying is, “Dan has killed his thousands and xero his tens of thousands.”

BTW Dan's at Patterson now as legal counsel.

I hear you - some people have the victim syndrome and blame others  - but how do we know which ones are the truly vulnerable? We have to act and behave in ways so that our behavior is always like that of Jesús.

An article from 1987, that goes back a ways!  I think you would probably admit that everything you would like to believe about your Armageddon, can be found in the Wt articles and sifted to suit your conscience.  Although, at the Annual Convention, Stephen Lett numbered the “wicked” against the number of JWs as “900 to one”.  By calling them all wicked, he is essentially labeling all outside of the organization as having no chance of being saved at Armageddon.  They have been judged by your leader. 
 Many people whole-heartedly believe in Jesus and God, but refuse the message of JWs.  God reads those hearts, all hearts, individually.  The message of JWs does not determines who is saved and who is not saved.
“For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders? Don’t you judge those who are inside?”  1 Cor 5:12
Paul is talking about the anointed of the Body of Christ.  It is the message to JWs in the last days, specifically the anointed - God’s chosen people - that needs to be noticed and heeded. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9; Matt 10:23; 1 Pet 4:17,18; Rev 18:4-8)
 
 
 

I would be interested in your clarification on the similarities and differences between:
being able to make informed decision (about good news represented by JWs
and
to accept the good news (also represented by JWs)
What can save a man? Informed consent or faith in something divine?

One can certainly notice the emergence of one particular generation (various age groups) of JWs that has reached a stage of maturation in which they are ready to tear down the “Berlin Wall” in their organization. At least or primarily on a personal level, while remaining within that same “wall,” more physically than spiritually. Many of your comments here give such an impression and confirmation.
Of course, it is "your" organization and you have the right to it as it is and as you support it and change or confirm it.

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.
I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.
What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.
And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.
This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.
At the end of the day, it was my post.

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.
I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.
What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.
And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.
This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.
At the end of the day, it was my post.

Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.

One thing to keep in mind both now, at Armageddon and even afterwards when the rebellion at the end of  the 1000 years occurs is that none of us will ever know all the antecedents leading to a decision made by any given individual or even for that matter that of ourselves. We will never "know" that any individual "rejected the truth" of their own free will... we will simply have to trust that such is the case. We're fooling ourselves if we imagine that there will always be tangible external evidence which we can point to and say "See! They rejected the truth!"
It comes down to "Do you trust Jehovah or not?"

Unless you are Timothy:
(1 Timothy 4:16) . . .Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
Or Paul?
(1 Corinthians 9:22) 22 To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some.
Or those who declare the good news?
(Romans 10:13-15) . . .. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”
Of course, I will agree in advance with the explanation I would expect you could give.
(Romans 14:4-10) 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.. . . 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

To me this is why I don't sweat it when someone says that I gave a "bad witness". I try not to, but it's going to happen and happen repeatedly. We all have patterns. I just keep trying and relax while doing so. Straining to me or OCD-like obsessive behavior like somehow I held the life of another person in my hands is spiritual narcissism in my view. The same kind of spiritual narcissism I see in apostates. If the GB screws up, so what? They'll figure out how they screwed up and do better next time. I doesn't change me or my responsibility to take charge and responsibility for my own actions or beliefs. You want to know who's engaging in idolatrous creature-worship? It's apostates. They imagine the organization is equal to Jehovah or Jesus and they aren't. We aren't Catholics with a holy see and a pope. Jehovah may be using the organization, but it's not infallible, nor do they have any urim and thummim. They have the bible, just like the rest of us. It isn't "disrespectful" to take note of that. The path to apostasy in my view is an over-reliance on human organizations as if these were Jehovah or Jesus. Organizations are necessary, but not sufficient. They can't point the way, but we individually have to make decisions. We CAN disagree and make our own conscientious decisions and we should. True that some of us in my view want to ride the coat-tails of others, but eventually they'll be bumped off by time and circumstance to stand on their own biblical legs.

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.
I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.
What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.
And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.
This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.
At the end of the day, it was my post.

A simple answer to both questions would be yes. 
I don't think people in the slums of Calcutta have been spoken to by a JW..... at least not to the point of being able to make an informed decision*
At Armaggedon, only those people who have rejected the truth about Jesus and God will be destroyed.  People cannot reject something they  have never heard of, or don't understand.
*An interesting article here:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1987128
It makes a point that: Very few are interested enough to want a Bible study. Making a living and bettering their station in life seem to be the only things on their mind. That, coupled with minimal, if any, education, makes it very difficult for them to accept the good news.
 
 

I've never even heard of it. I'm in England maybe that makes a difference. Most of you are in the USA so a lot of the stuff some of you write really does go over my head. Films, television programmes, books et al. I seriously do keep myself seperate from the 'world' so i don't bother with many things. My wife and i find happiness in God's creations and we tend to keep away from much comercialism........ 

Again?
Pwft has already made his position quite clear.
…. and the quote from “America’s greatest news source”, internally qualified the reference as NOT “Pudgy said”.
Again … that is why context is vitally important.
If he or someone can find the contested quote and post IN CONTEXT a screen shot, that would clear the whole thing up as to who authored the contested quote, falsely attributed to me.
If I actually did author those words, I owe PwfT an apology.
I suspect the contested quote is from another topic thread (?), or completely made up by PwfT.
 
 
 
 
 

Not a screenshot, just quoting your comment.

Humble? Isn't that an argument from perspective? Whose perspective?