Pudgy

It often takes a hundred years.

Sometimes …. delusions about the beauty of our incredibly ugly babies keeps us from drowning them at birth.
It’s more important if we are the baby.

Some of us do not learn about sharks, until we get a leg bitten off.

Sometimes, the “Elephant in the Room” has to be there for 40 years before people will admit he is really there, after denying it for 38 years.
That does not take humility.
It takes inevitability, in the face of hundreds of thousands of people that will not drink the Kool Aid.
I was there before, during, and after 1975, and was paying attention.
It was a deliberate attempt to scare the Brotherhood artificially.
What the GB LEARNED, is that you cannot fool all of the people … all of the time.….. and that loss of credibility has serious consequences.….. but that’s OK, the GB never missed a meal, or slept cold.
…….. and NOBODY GOT FIRED or demoted.
 

Well that’s a cop out…

That “broken phone” game has a bunch of written text. So, your argument and illustration is meaningless.
Are you trying to say that people today are less prone to naivety than in the 1970s? And that today’s JWs think more with their head than their predecessors, so they’re more careful and don’t listen to GB enough? Today’s JWs have a unique circumstance compared to their 1970s predecessors, and that is; more information about WTJWorg. And an increasingly rich history (and present) of failed doctrines.

All you say is true….. but compared to Catholic Inquisitions and Crusades that lasted 300 years, what it proves is this:
It’s the best humans are capable of at their best.
Here is the test:
Who, does a BETTER JOB?
(   …. an address and a phone number will be helpful. )
 
 

.I agree with Srecko Sostar, the search for righteousness is hard and long, as was World War II. Continuous errors and screw-ups and errors by leaders seriously flawed.
Sometimes the WTB&TS seems like a retarded child with an unlimited budget, but people that “get with the program” do better than those that don’t.
Perhaps it is God’s Holy Spirit that makes it turn out well, in spite of the lack of conscious competence.….. making a wholesome chicken soup out of chicken feathers, beaks, and feet.
 
 

The moral of the story is this:
No matter how badly screwed up our Theology is, we could be an ugly epileptic baby cockroach having a stroke, drowning in cold coffee.
 

Which reminds me :
On my iPhone, above this post, is an ad for bugmd, showing a cockroach drinking coffee. Your device may show something different, so I am including a copy here.
What you do is leave coffee out on your kitchen counter, and in the night, in the dark, cockroaches will assemble around the rim of the cup, and drink coffee. It gets ‘‘em totally wired.
You sneak in, and as fast as you can, flick the lights on and off about twenty times.
Their eyes are frozen open, they have a stroke, fall into the coffee, and drown.

Sometimes …. delusions about the beauty of our incredibly ugly babies keeps us from drowning them at birth.
It’s more important if we are the baby.

All you say is true….. but compared to Catholic Inquisitions and Crusades that lasted 300 years, what it proves is this:
It’s the best humans are capable of at their best.
Here is the test:
Who, does a BETTER JOB?
(   …. an address and a phone number will be helpful. )
 
 

No, not the leadership, but I'm sure many were disfellowshipped after its failure, for speaking out against the leadership's folly, as well as their organization. They had "had it up to here", severing all devotion to Wt's "empty philosophy" (Col 2:8); yet received the lowest demotion possible, for rejecting delusions.  Jer 23:16  
Funny thing isn't it, those who leave become the bad guy; while the instigators, the planners of the deceptive boondoggle, remain the good guys.  
So, in other words, the leadership was practicing deception; a crime against God's decrees.   (Lev 19:11,12; Prov 19:9
"Whenever a sentence for a crime is not carried out swiftly, the human mind becomes determined to commit evil."  Eccl 8:11
God knows the end from the beginning. (Isa 46:10;Rev 22:14,15)
"A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear."   2 Tim 4:3
Ahhh, so is this the scripture Fred Franz thought of, which enabled him to put the guilt on the rank and file?  
"'Do you know why nothing happened in 1975?  Then, pointing at his audience, he shouted:  'It was because you expected something to happen'" (Apocalypse Delayed, Penton, 1986, p. 100)

Sometimes, the “Elephant in the Room” has to be there for 40 years before people will admit he is really there, after denying it for 38 years.
That does not take humility.
It takes inevitability, in the face of hundreds of thousands of people that will not drink the Kool Aid.
I was there before, during, and after 1975, and was paying attention.
It was a deliberate attempt to scare the Brotherhood artificially.
What the GB LEARNED, is that you cannot fool all of the people … all of the time.….. and that loss of credibility has serious consequences.….. but that’s OK, the GB never missed a meal, or slept cold.
…….. and NOBODY GOT FIRED or demoted.
 

That is largely true but the original telephone message did lean heavily to that date.with  articles and graphs etc…it was like striking a match and not expecting it to start a fire…they at the top  have to take responsibility for the written articles and graphs that fed that fire….having said that with each article there was a paragraph saying it was all in Jehovahs time line etc etc.
yes the 70s was a different era…but 75 did not start with the rank and file…
I know the GB learnt from that…I listened to a excellent talk from a brother who admitted they had and that the GB had listen to you ( the rank and file ) he was encouraging one’s not to be weakened by that…and then he said the words…..”You don’t think Jehovah was watching all of that “
It was in my opinion a honest admission of a major spiritual stuff up….
it was a great talk…and a humble one…
 

I used to have some relatives like Matthew9969’s.
 

That situation could be equated to something like that of a game of Telephone. Whereas something is said and down the line, caused some form of division and confusion. So someone who was excited must have said some things that got other people talking whereas others understood the context of what is said and did not partake in spreading what the others were doing, hence the notation of 1975. Plus times in the 70s were different, to the point people do literal action after some things were said, as is excitement of somethings which could lean to action.

Well those that fell for that were not studying and understanding the scriptures …and they trusted in Men….big learning experience for them ..

It is a well established fact tha Texas is the center of the Universe.

Sure... Because apparently you can't tell the difference between Unitarians yourself. As seen here.

I did watch.
He is an interviewer who uploaded his conversation with a UU, not the author. And clearly you own no authorship.
No one said you were the author of the video, the problem is you jumped from Biblical Unitarian to Unitarian Universalists, extremely different and not the same. Therefore misleading, this is why you were told (which I see you purposely did not quote) the following:
  
The video in question was tied to the following - Unitarian Universalism.
It should be known already in your first video, which I acknowledge is Biblical Unitarians take the Bible, God's Word, with seriousness, as is his corrections on the website, which was mentioned to @Cos also a while back in 2 debates. We already know God is the Father and Jesus is God's Son, Subordinate from the Father, hence our early counterparts, Subordinationism. which evidently birthed the Restroationists. Whereas the other group, Oneness Believers, associated with UU, believes God manifests into the Son or the Father, etc.
An example would be, concerning Jesus, for the Oneness belief don't see Jesus as God, but God himself manifests as Jesus, so to speak. Whereas the Biblical Unitarian believes that Jesus is God's Only-Begotten Son, hence the first video you posted.
Biblical Unitarians recognize that in regards to Baptism, you are baptized in the name of the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, hence Matthew 28:19 whereas for a Oneness Believer, solely baptize in the name of Jesus, in addition to that, the Oneness believers state that Jesus is the one name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and so all religious activities should be performed in that one name.
As you can see there is a major difference. Therefore to equate the 2 not knowing these things, is misleading.
He is an Interviewer, the man's channel is primarily based on Interviews, speaking to someone, he didn't speak for himself, but rather, asked questions.
He's Channel information literally reads:
Kindred Interviews - Hello I'm Kris.  If you live in the DFW area and would like to share your opinions or knowledge on YouTube via a personal interview, then send me a message and I'll set up an interview with you.  God bless!
Those who seek to be interviewed contact him, not the other way around and this was during the Golden Age Era of YouTube (10 years ago).
He interviewed a Unitarian Universalist, not a Biblical Unitarian. Even the description of the video addresses this,
An interview I conducted with a leader of the UU organization.  The video was cut off before the interview ended, sorry... I would love to interview another Unitarian Universalist.  If you live in the DFW area and would like me to interview you, please e-mail me at kriskindred@gmail.com
I do not need to succumb to anxiety to understand, in this sense, an Apple isn't an Orange. However, I can point out deliberate ignorance.
That being said, this is like 100% equating Jehovah's Witnesses to Seventh Day Adventist, and or Islam. To mix things up, makes no sense, unless one does so to cause confuse or weaponize misinformation.
But here we just witnessed you confuse Biblical Unitarians with Unitarian Universalist - literally.
You were better off sticking with the first video and remarks, but you wanted to shoot yourself in the foot by choice, a mistake John Butler made, although he went further to attempt to make the accusation of interfaith, and failed.
That being said, although in my case, I am on a crusade against Mainstream Christendom and falsehood, I would not be as foolish to confuse them, for I understand the difference, and move about defending core teachings. Although the majority is wrong concerning them, I would never use a misconception regarding them as a truth if there is no evidence.
Perhaps next time, do the research, it seems Witness and yourself still do not take that recommendation after your last attempt.

One thing about Isaac Newton is that he was spoken of as Demonic by the Mainstream because he didn't accept the Creeds or believed in the Trinity. He knew God was the Father and Jesus was the Son.
He is still attacked by the Mainstream today, so much so, some try to twist his views. Some Black Hebrew Israelites, also try to proclaim that, although Isaac was a White British Man, believe it or not, is not British and somehow among the Jewish Tribes.
In short, you'd be surprised of other things I've ran into.
 

You know, if we back up and take another look at this—I think it accounts for why much of our audio and video production comes across as so bland and plain vanilla. If you add any of the spice that makes speech and text interesting, it becomes a turn-off to someone of another culture and background. So the brothers avoid the pitfall altogether. They trowel it on unambiguous and unfettered with anything potentially off putting. It is a test for those used to fine writing and oratory to not be so full of themselves, dial back artistic considerations, and just deal with ‘just the facts, ma’am.”
Even I—I know you will not believe this—have inadvertently been misunderstood and have given offense to some, without any bad intention whatsoever! And don’t get me started on all the rest of you. 

I mentioned the Indian and Pakistani phone scammers recently. Sometimes they call to tell me that they are the Office of  Customs and Border Patrol and it's usually about a rented car under my name on the Texas border in which they found drugs and evidence of wire transfers to a bank account. They give themselves names like "Officer John Williams" even though they have trouble making that name sound "American." I have sometimes responded with in an exaggeratedly slow Texas drawl:
I say: "This is Officer Srinivas Patel." (pronounced: SuhREEEE-nee-vaaahs Paw-Teyyaaaal')
Nothing sarcastic about it!

You’re right. I repent.