Pudgy

I have often pondered that Jehovah God had expressed a particular fondness for humans, and no stated preference for dogs.
Perhaps in the New System, after the thousand year training and final exam, or perhaps even sometime before that (?) and "New Scrolls" are opened, perhaps we will learn that there is a plan, and perhaps has always been a plan, for a "Rainbow Bridge", where we wait for our Guardians to be resurrected, and be with us once again.
Like so many things discussed here .... the CORRECT answer is "I don't know."
It seems like a hint is that Jehovah knows our Guardians' limitations, and seems to have tolerated a tremendous amount of grievous error of his "Organization" back in the era of King David, et al.
Incredible amounts of grievous error!
Think of all the many thousands of Jews that fought in Jehovah's sanctioned and approved wars, who EVEN THOUGH JEHOVAH WAS WITH THEM ... they were slaughtered on the battlefields of those times. Jehovah COULD have preserved and protected each one of them, but he did not.
Why Not?
ANSWER: Because "Stuff Happens".
....... get used to it.

Or, if you are the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, then you spend your time playing with numbers and dates to pretend you know more than other people do. 

27  So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28  He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’y The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29  He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. - Mt 13:27-27
"taking down" = weeding - Jesus said that wasn't your job.
As for turning away and how one does this and to whom is everyone's responsibility. If you've judged then you have to deal w/the judgement you've made. Clearly not everyone JW or non-JW agrees w/you, but it's your prerogative and your responsibility. Whether it's a better use of your time to turn people towards something or away from something is your prerogative and responsibility as well.

If I may remark, it would then mean that GB should stop calling ex-JW with expressions as; ex-JW are "apostates, enemies, poison" and the like. 
Also, JW members' "bible-trained consciences" would disregard the GB directive on how to treat former members.
What you mention is commendable. Generally speaking. Generally understood. Generally applicable. But apart from you a few who talk to us here and a few who do it with us personally where we live, it is an rare  exception to WTJWorg policy.

If you can tell the difference between good and bad advice, you don't need it, if you can't it doesn't matter because you'll just end up finding out anyway. There are times when you can end up in the right place following the wrong advice and times you can end up in the wrong place following the right advice and whether it's the wrong place or the right place or not depends on Jehovah.
There was the time King David (actually, before he was king) when he'd had it w/Saul making his life difficult so he left Israel to go fight as a mercenary for the Philistines. Now he'd always vowed to not lift his hand up (w/graffiti or otherwise) against the anointed of Jehovah, but maybe he's changed his mind because he's on his way to Mt. Gilboa w/the Philistines to fight Saul...but at Aphek he's stopped and sent home...now could be this southward movement of men might have looked like a flanking maneuver to the Israelite scouts and maybe this put them out of position so they weren't in time to defend the entrance to the Jezreel valley leading ultimately to Saul's death? Who knows? Jehovah could have used David in a way to both stop him from breaking his vow AND leading to Saul's death and ultimate replacement. That's all speculation, but could be that's what was going down.
Thing is, though David didn't fight against an arguably bad King because he was put there by Jehovah and Jehovah was going to have to take him out. In any case, Jehovah's will was done and we can likewise know it will be done today.
You just don't want to be the intentional instrument to take down anyone or any group whom you see doing God's will, not matter how defective you imagine them to be. We aren't authorized to trash the dragnet either any more than we're authorized to do some weeding, but we can weed ourselves and our own hearts and we should.

Well, Witness ....
By not being able to recommend something better, you are like a handheld GPS with no batteries.
... useless.
 

We all know that Jesus was very concerned about the Christian Congregation ... so ..... if Jehovah's Witnesses, warts, scabs, drool and all, are not with whom we should be associating with ...... then who?
Specifically?
Where and who, ( a name, address, zip code is the specificity required) is the Congregation that is the "real deal"?
Give me  a better choice, and I will leave what I know in a New York second.
But I will need to know why the better choice really is the better choice.
Without specific proof of something better, your very best observations, reasoning, and logic is nothing more than light entertainment.
No more.
 
 

That is a good thought, but probably very simplistic .... opposers, like everybody else, do what they know.
There is the drunk to whom the determination to drink supersedes all else, and blames the Organization for the consequences come with that, and
There is the drunk who hangs onto the Organization because he has seen the consequences of stumbling, and realizes that with all their deficiencies, they are less than his own.
... of course, there is no shortage of drunks, or reasons to be one....
... nor shortage of opposers, or reasons to be one.
Reminds me of the man who was trapped on an island in the middle of a river. He prayed to God to save him, as the waters got higher and higher, and he started climbing a tree.
A Fire Department rescue boat came by, but the Captain was an ugly midget, so the man waved them off.
Next a helicopter hovered overhead, and lowered a cable with a rescue ring, but the ring swung into his face head and hit him, man held onto the tree, as so far the water was only to his waist.
As the water rose and the current bent the tree over, it finally dawned on him he was about to die and he prayed "Oh God!, I am going to die, why did you not save me?"
... and God answered, " I heard your prayers, and I sent a boat and a helicopter .... you did not like either one."
 

I remember, years ago, when I tried to expose a great evil that stalked the Earth ……. to no avail.
I got the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, and Jackie Onassis all together in the same photo, and my camera jammed. 

I remember, years ago, when I tried to expose a great evil that stalked the Earth ……. to no avail.
I got the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, and Jackie Onassis all together in the same photo, and my camera jammed. 

Do you take Pudgycoin?
 

Well, Witness ....
By not being able to recommend something better, you are like a handheld GPS with no batteries.
... useless.
 

Well, Witness ....
By not being able to recommend something better, you are like a handheld GPS with no batteries.
... useless.
 

We all know that Jesus was very concerned about the Christian Congregation ... so ..... if Jehovah's Witnesses, warts, scabs, drool and all, are not with whom we should be associating with ...... then who?
Specifically?
Where and who, ( a name, address, zip code is the specificity required) is the Congregation that is the "real deal"?
Give me  a better choice, and I will leave what I know in a New York second.
But I will need to know why the better choice really is the better choice.
Without specific proof of something better, your very best observations, reasoning, and logic is nothing more than light entertainment.
No more.
 
 

That is a good thought, but probably very simplistic .... opposers, like everybody else, do what they know.
There is the drunk to whom the determination to drink supersedes all else, and blames the Organization for the consequences come with that, and
There is the drunk who hangs onto the Organization because he has seen the consequences of stumbling, and realizes that with all their deficiencies, they are less than his own.
... of course, there is no shortage of drunks, or reasons to be one....
... nor shortage of opposers, or reasons to be one.
Reminds me of the man who was trapped on an island in the middle of a river. He prayed to God to save him, as the waters got higher and higher, and he started climbing a tree.
A Fire Department rescue boat came by, but the Captain was an ugly midget, so the man waved them off.
Next a helicopter hovered overhead, and lowered a cable with a rescue ring, but the ring swung into his face head and hit him, man held onto the tree, as so far the water was only to his waist.
As the water rose and the current bent the tree over, it finally dawned on him he was about to die and he prayed "Oh God!, I am going to die, why did you not save me?"
... and God answered, " I heard your prayers, and I sent a boat and a helicopter .... you did not like either one."
 

That is a good thought, but probably very simplistic .... opposers, like everybody else, do what they know.
There is the drunk to whom the determination to drink supersedes all else, and blames the Organization for the consequences come with that, and
There is the drunk who hangs onto the Organization because he has seen the consequences of stumbling, and realizes that with all their deficiencies, they are less than his own.
... of course, there is no shortage of drunks, or reasons to be one....
... nor shortage of opposers, or reasons to be one.
Reminds me of the man who was trapped on an island in the middle of a river. He prayed to God to save him, as the waters got higher and higher, and he started climbing a tree.
A Fire Department rescue boat came by, but the Captain was an ugly midget, so the man waved them off.
Next a helicopter hovered overhead, and lowered a cable with a rescue ring, but the ring swung into his face head and hit him, man held onto the tree, as so far the water was only to his waist.
As the water rose and the current bent the tree over, it finally dawned on him he was about to die and he prayed "Oh God!, I am going to die, why did you not save me?"
... and God answered, " I heard your prayers, and I sent a boat and a helicopter .... you did not like either one."
 

I wish JWs could see the blasphemy of calling an earthly organization, “God’s organization.”, or “Jehovah’s organization”.  This is a corrupt world, and the organization has conformed to its corruption. HOW CAN IT NOT?   It can’t be ignored.   Why would a blameless God delight in hearing His people call something corrupt, as belonging to Him?  He doesn’t lower His standards.  Only people do.
 “Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.”  Rom 12:2
That right there, is the problem.  JWs have a hard time discerning what is good and pleasing to God. There have been countless lies and false promises told by the its leadership, from the very beginning of the organization's development; and it continues - in the magazines, from the podium, in the videos, in the court systems, and in the judicial committees.  All appears acceptable, and all, comes from "Jehovah's organization".
This is blasphemy.
"God is not a man, that He might lie,
or a son of man, that He might change his mind.
Does He speak and not act,
or promise and not fulfill?"  Num 23:19
He doesn't lie.  So why does His "organization" lie?   Do JWs really believe that saying their organization belongs to God, is giving Him praise and glory?
 
  
 
 
 

So then what you are saying is that it is your purpose in life to piss on something without offering anything better—to take away but not give. Isn’t that sort of a pathetic occupation for a grown man?

Strikes me that opposers are hanging on to the organization like a drunk man does to keep from stumbling.

"The key tenets"...... , in other words we can call that "core teachings" ?
Given some of our previous discussions, can we say that for these basic things of belief every JW member should be willing to give his life, and for all other doctrines to think better about what he believes in?
Unfortunately, you are repeating the wrong premise here, known to many. Most, if not all JW members, have learned something to hold on to like a drunk holding a fence to keep from stumbling. And that is that idea how there is no life outside the Organization, that is, they have a dilemma about which other organization they could go to if they leave this one.
Ex JWs don’t exist to offer you anything. Also, no other people in the world exist to offer you, JW, something better, or to put you in a new, different organization. If you believe in Jesus, then I guess it has become clear to you that he has the words of life, and that he is the way, the truth and the life. You are burdened with the idea of an (old, new) organization that should/would resemble the one you now belong to.
 

…… according to the scripture you quoted, we are not yet into the “Last Days” …… unless you want to count my dreams of chasing rabbits at 90 miles an hour down the Interstate !
 

….. because we are, each and every living soul, mortal …… soon enough  ….. perhaps too soon …. We will all get a test of our theological ideas. 

…… if you cut them, and they bleed red blood, I trust them not.
The ones I trust the most is based on actual, put it in a spreadsheet and analyze it observed, definable, quantifiable and historical credibility.
Your assumptions about what God SHOULD DO is as bad as anyone else’s, including myself. 
 
I think everybody is in for a big shock.

…. Get more than 200 people together, in ANY religious group, and watch “the way things SHOULD be” go to hell in a hand basket.
…… it’s the nature of imperfect humanity.
….. sometimes also attributed to “bad luck”.

Ok …. What specifically WOULD YOU DO?
…… remember, on the plus side they teach core Bible truths, including the BIGGIE ……
….. Globally, they teach people to war, no more.