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I find that good mental health (...well, as much as I can manage ...) is to relegate those things that are invisible with no evidence to a shelf that says "Wait and See", and then .... wait and see.
How does the sealing of the 144,000 relate to anything in our contemporary experience?
1914? 1975? 2034? 2060?
If I had PERFECT and COMPLETE Knowledge, its all beyond my "pay grade", and I can do absolutely NOTHING about any of it.
....neither can you.
Have patience, Grasshopper.
Soon enough you will know, and arguing or sweating about it will not change anything.
Nothing whatsoever.
....and in the meantime, you can have a calm mind, and a peaceful heart.
 

I think you REALLY need to read the rest of Matthew 24.

I find that good mental health (...well, as much as I can manage ...) is to relegate those things that are invisible with no evidence to a shelf that says "Wait and See", and then .... wait and see.
How does the sealing of the 144,000 relate to anything in our contemporary experience?
1914? 1975? 2034? 2060?
If I had PERFECT and COMPLETE Knowledge, its all beyond my "pay grade", and I can do absolutely NOTHING about any of it.
....neither can you.
Have patience, Grasshopper.
Soon enough you will know, and arguing or sweating about it will not change anything.
Nothing whatsoever.
....and in the meantime, you can have a calm mind, and a peaceful heart.
 

I don't understand it myself, so perhaps we could get Governing Body Member Bro. David Splaine, or Bro. Rando to explain about the "Overlapping Generations".

Thank you xero, for your TED TALK video. I really needed to see that. One of many points was about creativity. 
 
…… I would rate that video three wags.
 

I don't understand it myself, so perhaps we could get Governing Body Member Bro. David Splaine, or Bro. Rando to explain about the "Overlapping Generations".

Here's a thought from the 1st chapter of Ezekial .... makes ya wanna go "Hmmmmmm?" ...
15  As I was watching the living creatures, I saw one wheel on the earth beside each of the living creatures with four faces.+ 16  The wheels and their structure appeared to glow like chrysʹo·lite, and the four of them looked alike. Their appearance and structure looked as though a wheel were within a wheel.* 17  When they moved, they could go in any of the four directions without turning as they went.
(see above illustration ....)

How would solid, incontrovertible evidence of Extraterrestrial Aliens affect your Theology?
For the last several months there have been more and more "credible" reports of UFOs being reported on the news, and the U.S. Military is admitting that UFO's exist, and have photography of many incidents, some of which have been released. Trump declassified ALL UFO records held by the government.
If this all proves to be true .....
........ how will that affect your theological view of the Universe?
 
 

I think I can explain what happened. Michael Krewson started the topic about a Mexican Cave. Judging by the other topics he has started, I think he couldn't care less about JWs and C.T.Russell. So when you changed the subject to C.T.Russell an owner or admin of this forum thought they would keep things in order by removing this religious topic over to the JW Open Club.
I suspect that the original owners of this forum wanted it to be a place where anyone could come by and discuss any newsworthy topic, but the most active contributors (mostly a half-dozen pro-JWs and another half-dozen ex-JWs, apparently) appear to have turned it into a place that has so many JW references, it tends to chase off all the potential contributors who want to talk about science, bitcoin, finance, natural history, popular culture, etc. JW-related comments continually seep into non-religious topics.
The least an admin can do is to push off-topic posts into a new topic area. This means that an admin will have to make up a title for the new topic. I'm sure admins have pretty much given up by now in trying so hard to keep order here.
I should add that I haven't seen you (PWfT) making this mistake much any more. Maybe that's because there are so few topics started outside of JW-related forums.

I realize ANYbody's ideas are speculation, as none of us have Polaroids .... so I appreciate the feedback, anyway.
My considerations take into account the hard, hard evidence that human civilization is in various areas verifiabily 100,000 years and more old.
 

I have been, um, doggedly pursuing the answers to some questions, and I think I know the answers, but in the tradition of beating irrelevant trivia that really has no practical value to death, in fact, to a thin puree, I thought it might be a good idea to get some other peoples thoughts.
It's about Cain, Able, and the Land of Exile. (Genesis 4:*}
1.) When Cain was banished to the Land of Exile, who was it already there that he was GREATLY afraid would kill him?
2.) Was it an existing Land of Exile that he was banished to, or did it BECOME a Land of Exile after his arrival?
3.) Apparently Cain was afraid that wherever he roamed, there would be someone there to kill him, so was the Land of Exile like, say, the next County over, or did it extend all the way to, say Asia?
4. How does one man and one woman  immediately start building a City? (I would think a grass thatched single shelter would have been more appropriate, without tools.)
5.) Were the inhabitants of the Land of Exile inclined to kill Cain only, or anybody that inhabited Eden?
6.) And of course, the "standard" question .... Where did Cain get his wife?

In the USA we have what is called "The Right of Imminent Domain", which means as an example, the GOV can confiscate your property for the "greater good", but it has to be fair and equitable. This is a matter of negotiation, and sometimes a court battle.
... like the just and fair compensation the WTB&TS got from the State of Pennsylvania.
After the WTB&TS confiscated all the Kingdom Halls in the World (for the "Greater Good"), I wonder if the congregations were justly and fairly compensated?
 

In the USA we have what is called "The Right of Imminent Domain", which means as an example, the GOV can confiscate your property for the "greater good", but it has to be fair and equitable. This is a matter of negotiation, and sometimes a court battle.
... like the just and fair compensation the WTB&TS got from the State of Pennsylvania.
After the WTB&TS confiscated all the Kingdom Halls in the World (for the "Greater Good"), I wonder if the congregations were justly and fairly compensated?
 

In the USA we have what is called "The Right of Imminent Domain", which means as an example, the GOV can confiscate your property for the "greater good", but it has to be fair and equitable. This is a matter of negotiation, and sometimes a court battle.
... like the just and fair compensation the WTB&TS got from the State of Pennsylvania.
After the WTB&TS confiscated all the Kingdom Halls in the World (for the "Greater Good"), I wonder if the congregations were justly and fairly compensated?
 

It is my understanding, that from all the descriptions, straight from the Bible, that WHATEVER "Gog of Magog" is prophetically ... it has not happened yet.
I have a great deal of real, solid, palpable peace since I stopped believing ANYBODY knows the answers, as it seems clear they are trying to upset me, and consolidate their authority by trying to scare everybody, pretending to have exclusive answers .... which so far ... have been wrong 100% of the time.
.... typically, that pays very, very well.
When the events happen in reality as they are described in the Bible ... THEN ....  I will look back and see who was right, if any,  and only THEN will I become concerned more than just considering :Gog of Magog" a persistent catchy boogeyman "Buzz Word Phrase".
I could not do anything about it before.
I can't do anything about it in the present.
I won't be able to do anything about it in the future.
If I  was the Planet's foremost expert on "Gog of Magog" it would change nothing.
If I was totally unaware of even the phrase "Gog of Magog" it would change nothing.
I have more than enough REAL things that I MIGHT be able to do something about to occupy my thoughts.
.... and anyway, I strongly suspect that long before then, I will be .... safely .... dead.
.... and I strongly suspect You will be too.
 
 

My concerns are a lot simpler than yours ...
Since there is absolutely NOTHING I can do about it ... whether I had full "secret" insight and knowledge of everything concerning Gog of Magog, or was absolutely ignorant, and had never even heard the term .... I can quite safely and without any concern whatsoever, completely disregard it.
It makes for good mental health, a peaceful countenance and a tail wag or two.,
I think I will just geta big old bone out of the refrigerator and gnaw on it for awhile.
.... if I can figure out how to open the door.

THAT .... is a very good point!

I realize ANYbody's ideas are speculation, as none of us have Polaroids .... so I appreciate the feedback, anyway.
My considerations take into account the hard, hard evidence that human civilization is in various areas verifiabily 100,000 years and more old.
 

I realize ANYbody's ideas are speculation, as none of us have Polaroids .... so I appreciate the feedback, anyway.
My considerations take into account the hard, hard evidence that human civilization is in various areas verifiabily 100,000 years and more old.
 

Apologize, but i don't see how this is answer on question. Who are people you described as ..many ( yet to be born ) and who knows how many other brothers and sisters there were…? 

2060.
possibly as early as 2036.

Which one in the photo is Al Gore?