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I put this term into the JW Library search engine, but I didn't get any results. That is significant. Apparently there is no official position on this or, on the other hand, WTJWorg does not cultivate the kind of relationship you describe. In fact, you yourself have determined that the sole purpose of "fellowshipping" between JWs and "unbelievers" is to "convert" them. A relationship based on this kind of "unity" grounded on such a motive is truly .... shameful. I have no words to describe my disgust at this way JWs look at their neighbors.
Although the description you gave of the JWs striving to get along well with the "unbelievers" seems positive at first glance, I must add that the general attitude of the WTJWorg and thus the members is reflected collectively in the notion that the "unbelievers" are destined for destruction at Armageddon and that they are "minds darkened by Satan". You cannot expect a correct, healthy human relationship from such a mindset and feeling. This world is labeled as "hostile" to JWs, and this is constantly repeated in your meetings.
And here we see an example of how some say one thing and others another (within WTJWorg).
Whether an individual JW feels good or bad under the "leadership of JW elders" should be left to the personal judgment of everyone in your congregations. I don't need to deal with that. What I feel I can say is how JW leaders (plus JW lawyers) "represent and testify for God" before courts and other public and government/al authorities and institutions. And that is something terrible to know and it would shake and scandalize many JWs to hear and see how they are deceiving the public. Jesus would probably have something to compare and point out if there are any contrasts.
 

@Srecko Sostar Your cynicism It’s not a consequence of Ecclesiastes 8:9. JW’s teach that “the existing authorities” can be said to “stand placed in their relative positions by God.” Relative to Jehovah’s supreme sovereign authority, theirs is by far a lesser authority. However, they are “God’s minister,” “God’s public servants,” in that they provide necessary services, maintain law and order, and punish evildoers. (Romans 13:1,4, 6) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1996/may-1
People outside of the JW community are capable of imitating God righteousness and mercy: “The apostle Paul comments on the conscience, or at least a vestige of such, that still persists in fallen man, even though in many cases he has strayed from God and does not have his law. This explains why all nations have established many laws that are in harmony with righteousness and justice, and many individuals follow certain good principles. Paul says: “For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.”—Rom. 2:14, 15. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r1/lp-e/ad/3090
Here’s what you are missing about human nature : Unity with non-Christians is not something to be desired (other than to convert them), but we need to distinguish between different types of unity.Obviously we cannot be spiritually united with those who do not share our faith. And this is why we ought not marry unbelievers. But, we can and should strive for civil peace with unbelievers.  Paul teaches us "If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men." (Rom 12:8) The author of the letter to the Hebrews similarly writes, "Pursue peace with all men" (Heb. 12:14). And civil peace is a kind of unity. We can and should pursue the common good in society, together with unbelievers. They too have a conscience, and the desire for the common good in civil society. They too want peace in our society, a clean environment, safe neighborhoods, order and beauty in society, just judges, etc. In other words, in the realm of the civil society, we have a great deal of common ground with unbelievers, as we pursue with them a civic unity, the unity of a civil society in its pursuit of the temporal welfare of that society. And again, that's because faith builds on and perfects nature, faith does not destroy nature. So the same civic goods we rightly desired as unbelievers, we still desire as Christians, along with those who are still unbelievers.
You seem to think that what is heavenly or supernatural, must be the opposite of what is human and of nature.
Of course a tyrant does not serve those whom he rules. But tyranny is an abuse of government, not the proper use of government. The true ruler of any society serves that society through his leadership. Hence, when Jesus says that the Apostles should not "lord it over" them, as the Gentiles do, Jesus is not contrasting leadership in the Kingdom with the way leadership in the state should be (as though civic leaders should not serve those whom they lead). Jesus is instead contrasting leadership in the Kingdom with the way leadership in the state often is, i.e. tyrannical.

The way I look at it is this:
When Armageddon comes there is absolutely NOTHING I can do to avoid it, or hurry it up, or slow it down.
This is God’s War, not mine. Obviously the Creator of the Universe is going to win.
Just like the three Hebrews in the fiery furnace, if it occurs in my lifetime, I intend to just sit back and watch the show!
…. and perhaps eat popcorn, and microwaved big greasy hot dogs!

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I think what SS was referring to, or alluding to was what  if Russell and Rutherford had been  Chinese …. so rourd the irrustrations in the Socrities pubrications.

I think what SS was referring to, or alluding to was what  if Russell and Rutherford had been  Chinese …. so rourd the irrustrations in the Socrities pubrications.

What would Adam and Eve look like in WTJWorg literature if Russell and Rutherford were Chinese?

in that respect I see no difference between Jehovah’s Witnesses management team and any number of corporate, government, or military organizations such as the US Treasury Department, the United States Marines, or the Environmental Protection Agency.
As the number of legs on the spider grows, it subtracts from the brain, until it is all legs, and no brain.
This is NORMAL.
Justice we get from Jehovah God…… All else, and I mean ALL ELSE , is merely due process that we are due, but sometimes it’s justice, and sometimes it’s just due process.
it’s like those sliced square lunch meats with the pimentos and olives in them. 
I like fat greasy hot dogs like bratwurst, microwaved until the sodium nitrite preservatives squirt out and the skin splits … knowing the danger.
Pick your poison.
…. or don’t eat.
 
 
 

in that respect I see no difference between Jehovah’s Witnesses management team and any number of corporate, government, or military organizations such as the US Treasury Department, the United States Marines, or the Environmental Protection Agency.
As the number of legs on the spider grows, it subtracts from the brain, until it is all legs, and no brain.
This is NORMAL.
Justice we get from Jehovah God…… All else, and I mean ALL ELSE , is merely due process that we are due, but sometimes it’s justice, and sometimes it’s just due process.
it’s like those sliced square lunch meats with the pimentos and olives in them. 
I like fat greasy hot dogs like bratwurst, microwaved until the sodium nitrite preservatives squirt out and the skin splits … knowing the danger.
Pick your poison.
…. or don’t eat.
 
 
 

That is what is called “ The Hook”.
Appealing to  man’s better nature …. sometimes for what turns out to be nefarious ends.
Sometimes ….

“When your own thoughts are forbidden, when your questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts with friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused, for the ends never justify the means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult… If there is any lesson to be learned it is that an ideal can never be brought about by fear, abuse, and the threat of retribution. When family and friends are used as a weapon in order to force us to stay in an organization, something has gone terribly wrong.”
― Deborah Layton, Seductive Poison: A Jonestown Survivor's Story of Life and Death in the Peoples Temple

It's amazing, isn't it? It's also amazing how quickly each of the new avatars puts on the old personality, and then puts on old "socks," too.

“Why do people here go to such extreme lengths to falsify their theories by overriding a locked post?”
I have often wondered about this.

… and an unexplained “downvote” in a forum such as this is like an assertion without proof.
It may be instantly disregarded, almost always is ignored as a spasm reflex, and should be ignored by rational people.

… and an unexplained “downvote” in a forum such as this is like an assertion without proof.
It may be instantly disregarded, almost always is ignored as a spasm reflex, and should be ignored by rational people.

PERFECT analogy!

In what ways is starting a post and immediately locking the same not unlike … 

dropping a deuce in a public stall, not flushing it, and crawling out from under the locked stall?
 
 


 

dropping a deuce in a public stall, not flushing it, and crawling out from under the locked stall?

This old light new light doctrines changing has become like a strobe light causing seizures, is the hs working while they are having a seizure or not?

They say: "The truth always remains the truth".
Yes, maybe somewhere else. But many of the so-called "truths" in WTJWorg are unnecessary, meaningless and harmful to the health of the followers.
 
 
 
 

P. T. Barnum was an entrepreneur who for many years owned and managed the world famous “Barnum an Bailey Circus”.
At some of the exhibits and sideshows of exotic animals and human freaks, people were loitering and clogging up the tents, and new paying customers couldn’t get in.
So he put up tent tunnels to the Circus grounds and connected it to the back of the exhibit tents with a sign “ THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS⬇️“, and the people exited, thinking it was another exotic animal.
P.T. Barnum is perhaps most famous for his quote “There is a sucker born every minute.”
I believe it was Robert A. Heinlein who is noted for his observation via “The Notebooks of Lazarus Long”, “It is immoral to let a sucker keep his money”.
These philosophies are often the modus opperandi of religious leaders the world over.
 

…. one day my wife asked me “How come men get a lot more money for the same work than women do?”.
I looked at her as if she were Lassie, not knowing the difference between a ladder and a rope, ‘cause once again Timmy had fallen into a well, and replied…
”I think you are just not quite clear on the concept of the double standard! ….”.

Who is going to start a sushi chain restaurant for the masses?