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    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    You just proved the fallacy of your arguement.
    OF COURSE GENERATIONS OVERLAP!
    But that does not mean two overlapping generations are ONE generation!
    You just got caught in your own semantics trap!
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    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    FAIL !
    Any theology you cannot explain in your own words isn’t true.
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    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Like you?
    O.K., let’s put that to the test to see if you choke on it.
    Let’s see how well YOU explain that what Jesus taught and what the Apostles understood was overlapping generations.
    And of course YOU being the intellectual, there is no need to remind you to stay on topic, and base your remarks ONLY ON THE PREMISE RELEVANT.
    1.) What exactly did Jesus teach, and  
    2.) What exactly did the Apostles understand.
    …. all else is made up drivel and wishful thinking.
     
     
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    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    FAIL !
    Any theology you cannot explain in your own words isn’t true.
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    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    There is a lot to be said for keeping things short, concise, direct and to the point.
    You may want to try it someday ……
     

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    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Well, Fausto, I had resolved not to waste any more time responding to your silly and distorted rants, which I do read, and think about, but a few minutes ago I ran across this, which accurately answers some of your questions, loaded as they are, about what constitutes “Old Light” and “New Light”.  
    It is short, concise, direct and to the point.

  7. Downvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    I apologise for failing in my resolve to completely ignore you. I will try to do better…
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    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    On a separate note, without claiming any inspiration or guidance from God, I am hereby proclaiming as if with a chorus of angelic trumpeteers that … ummmm … Armageddon will occur on …. ummmm … April 16, 2654, at 4:20 PM, at the Pacific Ocean International Dateline.
    Yeah …. that’s the ticket!
    In lieu of monetary contributions until then … ummmm … nevermind …
    Send money!
     
  9. Upvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from JW Insider in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Of all the religions on Earth, it is my long and carefully considered opinion, based on what I consider to be irrefutable facts, that as a group, Jehovah’s Witnesses have the best chance of all of them to be found acceptable to God and Christ. 
    All the blessings of my life, which is almost over, is because I obeyed what I was taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses. 
    The reverse is also true. 
    The CORE 15% of what is taught is of life saving value, and to the best of my knowledge cannot be found elsewhere. 
    That, to me, means the CORE 15% is in fact the “True Religion”.
    I do not expect perfection from employers, spouses (and I have had three …), friends, the Police and/or Court Systems, Armed Forces military leaders, soldiers, sailors or airmen, or the McDonalds drive-thru which almost ALWAYS seems to screw up my order. 
    The tolerance I have for applied stupidity I suspect Jehovah God also has for us … after all …. he is the Sovereign God of this Universe, and extending mercy does not diminish his majesty, authority or security in any way.
    If we “stick our neck out”, someone can “cut off our head”.  Not so with Jehovah God.
    I also suspect that, with MANY Biblical examples to review for reference, he has a high tolerance for us being theologically bat-crap crazy. Thousands of years of colossal screw ups and institutionalized injustices were tolerated before He replaced the old system.
    I often think, Jehovah with a casual thought could destroy all his enemies, everywhere, in an instant … so why did He have brave men of valor fight and die on ancient battlefields, and put them through all of that?
    Why does Jehovah God now allow the Governing Body to chase away almost as many disciples of his Son, as 8 million recruiters can enlist? 
    I almost know, but I can’t prove it, as it would be “preaching error”, if I can’t prove it.
    I suspect we are all being sifted, and hardened in “trials by fire” …. after all, the ONLY way you can get experience in how to endure getting beaten … is to get beaten.  
    Military Special Forces know this … that is why training includes real torture, beatings, and conditioning on how to endure without being broken. Think of the 144,000. They will be given immortality … life forever with great power and authority, independent of God, but exactly parallel in purpose and agreement!
    How does Jehovah know they can be trusted to be good at it? Immortality, by definition, means it can never be revoked.
    EXPERIENCE.
    Just as a Navy Seal, when dropped from a helicopter 12 miles off shore and has to swim to shore, then run 15 miles to base and without eating or rest, read an entire book, and take a test on it, there are casualties. People die, or fail, or wounded, or thrown out because they just can’t cut it.
    Some of us are just plain not good enough, focused enough, motivated enough, tough enough, or strong enough.
    You get the test FIRST ….….. and the lesson AFTERWARDS.
     
     
     

  10. Haha
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    There is a lot to be said for keeping things short, concise, direct and to the point.
    You may want to try it someday ……
     

  11. Upvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Well, Fausto, I had resolved not to waste any more time responding to your silly and distorted rants, which I do read, and think about, but a few minutes ago I ran across this, which accurately answers some of your questions, loaded as they are, about what constitutes “Old Light” and “New Light”.  
    It is short, concise, direct and to the point.

  12. Downvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    … and “Old Light” and “New Light” have two things in common .
    1.)  Among people who SHOULD be given the benefit of the doubt, never attribute as a lie what can be explained by self-centered daydreaming and wishful thinking.  It may be absolutely wrong, but if they believe it… it is NOT A LIE.
    2.)  Neither “Old Light” or “New Light” should be confused with “Bud Light”.

  13. Downvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Don’t pretend “stuff” doesn’t happen, and didn’t happen that should not have happened out of loyalty to what might have happened right.
    Of what value is our faith if it is based on what is not true?
    ”Stuff Happens”.
  14. Downvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    “Soldiers of Christ”, and Soldiers of Nations have very similar missions … to change the world to more conform to the wishes of the Government they represent.
    The problem Earthly Theocracy and Earthly Nations have is the same  … their leadership is deeply flawed and often only marginally competent.
    As each pursues it’s missions there will ALWAYS be massive, unintended casualties. It’s the nature of all organizations, and there is no way that can’t happen. 
    There is an adage that goes “Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence”. That includes ignorance, agenda driven thinking, greed, vanity, stubbornness, and the list goes on and on.
    We see this as “Monday morning quarterbacks”, but any carefully considered plan of action beforehand often shatters upon first contact with reality.  
    The Universe has its own rules.
    Consider the Governing Body as if they were a Military High Command, as General Officers whose mission is to direct an invasion of Publishers to an Evil World of humans and make them into Disciples of Christ and worshippers of Jehovah God., 
    It’s a tough job, and many mistakes will be made, with many “unnecessay” casualties.
    Thats just the way it is, to achieve a victory on the battlefield of ideas, and in both cases, Theocratic and Secular, the same is true … the goal is victory, and it is a battlefield of ideas.
    In the midst of World War II, two pivotal Allied operations would come to define the Western Front's path to victory. The first, known as "Operation Overlord," unfolded on June 6, 1944, along the coast of Normandy, France.
    This audacious endeavor marked the largest amphibious invasion in history, as thousands of Allied troops stormed the beaches. The toll of D-Day was staggering, with an estimated 10,000 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.
    Operation Overlord's success would ultimately serve as a critical turning point in the war, establishing a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe.
    The Society’s Governing Body,  and the Allied Forces  General Staff each have the same problem. They each get a lot of people killed, wounded or missing in action because they themselves are as flawed as the “enemy”.
    How can you make this not happen?
    You can’t.
    However, the road to victory was far from linear. Just a few months later, in September 1944, the Allies launched "Operation Market Garden" in a bold attempt to expedite their advance into Germany. “Bold” in this case meant the operation was stupidly concieved and executed based on bad information, and delusional planners.
    This complex operation focused on capturing a series of strategic bridges in the Netherlands, opening a direct path to the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe.
    Market Garden's ambitious plan involved a massive airborne assault and ground forces. The cost, though, was substantial, with approximately 17,200 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.. 
    Operation Market Garden was marked by both triumphs and setbacks, with the famous "bridge too far" at Arnhem remaining out of Allied hands. Despite its challenges, it showcased the Allies' determination to push deeper into enemy territory.
    I see important parallels. You may not.
    These two operations, D-Day and Market Garden, played pivotal roles in the eventual defeat of Nazi Germany, demonstrating the courage and sacrifice of the Allied forces in their quest for freedom and victory.
    You don’t fight a war, or send 8,000,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses into the field without wasted lives, screw-ups, and collateral damage, which means people get hurt and killed because … that’s what happens.
    Courage and Sacrifice.
    Sometimes you are sacrificed by incompetence, self serving leadership, or just plain stupidity.
    That’s ALWAYS the price that has to be paid in the wars of ideas.
    Get used to it.
    I don’t like it either, but that’s the way reality works.
    ”Stuff Happens”,
  15. Haha
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Statistically, men die eight years before women die.
    Often their last words are, “Hey! watch THIS ! … hold my beer …”.
     
  16. Like
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    … and “Old Light” and “New Light” have two things in common .
    1.)  Among people who SHOULD be given the benefit of the doubt, never attribute as a lie what can be explained by self-centered daydreaming and wishful thinking.  It may be absolutely wrong, but if they believe it… it is NOT A LIE.
    2.)  Neither “Old Light” or “New Light” should be confused with “Bud Light”.

  17. Upvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Don’t pretend “stuff” doesn’t happen, and didn’t happen that should not have happened out of loyalty to what might have happened right.
    Of what value is our faith if it is based on what is not true?
    ”Stuff Happens”.
  18. Upvote
    Pudgy reacted to Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    What Russell said in 1881, that the "new light" never cancels the "old light" is very reasonable from a human point of view. Under one condition. That the "old light" was correct and true.
    Let's say it with the help of an organ transplant illustration. The "Old Light of Truth" condemned organ transplantation, calling the act cannibalism. The "New Light of Truth" completely denied that view and to this day says that it is a matter of individual conscience.
    If "today's truth" is correct then the "old light of truth" was the "old lie" and was not "light" but "darkness". It's the same thing with hundreds of "clarified beliefs". There is no room for claims about progress. These doctrines are rejected delusions or lies (or at least that's what they now claim to be delusions).
    Because the rejected dogmas were never even "New Light" in the past tense when they appeared. When the GB rejected the old "new light" they automatically declared it as "false teaching" (announcement without announcement). These false teachings were then a full part of "true worship". Face it, please.
  19. Like
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    “Soldiers of Christ”, and Soldiers of Nations have very similar missions … to change the world to more conform to the wishes of the Government they represent.
    The problem Earthly Theocracy and Earthly Nations have is the same  … their leadership is deeply flawed and often only marginally competent.
    As each pursues it’s missions there will ALWAYS be massive, unintended casualties. It’s the nature of all organizations, and there is no way that can’t happen. 
    There is an adage that goes “Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence”. That includes ignorance, agenda driven thinking, greed, vanity, stubbornness, and the list goes on and on.
    We see this as “Monday morning quarterbacks”, but any carefully considered plan of action beforehand often shatters upon first contact with reality.  
    The Universe has its own rules.
    Consider the Governing Body as if they were a Military High Command, as General Officers whose mission is to direct an invasion of Publishers to an Evil World of humans and make them into Disciples of Christ and worshippers of Jehovah God., 
    It’s a tough job, and many mistakes will be made, with many “unnecessay” casualties.
    Thats just the way it is, to achieve a victory on the battlefield of ideas, and in both cases, Theocratic and Secular, the same is true … the goal is victory, and it is a battlefield of ideas.
    In the midst of World War II, two pivotal Allied operations would come to define the Western Front's path to victory. The first, known as "Operation Overlord," unfolded on June 6, 1944, along the coast of Normandy, France.
    This audacious endeavor marked the largest amphibious invasion in history, as thousands of Allied troops stormed the beaches. The toll of D-Day was staggering, with an estimated 10,000 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.
    Operation Overlord's success would ultimately serve as a critical turning point in the war, establishing a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe.
    The Society’s Governing Body,  and the Allied Forces  General Staff each have the same problem. They each get a lot of people killed, wounded or missing in action because they themselves are as flawed as the “enemy”.
    How can you make this not happen?
    You can’t.
    However, the road to victory was far from linear. Just a few months later, in September 1944, the Allies launched "Operation Market Garden" in a bold attempt to expedite their advance into Germany. “Bold” in this case meant the operation was stupidly concieved and executed based on bad information, and delusional planners.
    This complex operation focused on capturing a series of strategic bridges in the Netherlands, opening a direct path to the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe.
    Market Garden's ambitious plan involved a massive airborne assault and ground forces. The cost, though, was substantial, with approximately 17,200 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.. 
    Operation Market Garden was marked by both triumphs and setbacks, with the famous "bridge too far" at Arnhem remaining out of Allied hands. Despite its challenges, it showcased the Allies' determination to push deeper into enemy territory.
    I see important parallels. You may not.
    These two operations, D-Day and Market Garden, played pivotal roles in the eventual defeat of Nazi Germany, demonstrating the courage and sacrifice of the Allied forces in their quest for freedom and victory.
    You don’t fight a war, or send 8,000,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses into the field without wasted lives, screw-ups, and collateral damage, which means people get hurt and killed because … that’s what happens.
    Courage and Sacrifice.
    Sometimes you are sacrificed by incompetence, self serving leadership, or just plain stupidity.
    That’s ALWAYS the price that has to be paid in the wars of ideas.
    Get used to it.
    I don’t like it either, but that’s the way reality works.
    ”Stuff Happens”,
  20. Upvote
    Pudgy reacted to Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    You have written many good things.
    But then, JW people should ask themselves why they today think that the words of the GB are as powerful as the "gospel"? Why are they obliged to follow doctrines and instructions that not only appear but are demonstrably unreasonable, from a human point of view. Because the human point of view is the only one we have. We do not have God's point of view. Only God has that. We have an interpretation of what we think, or believe, or claim to be God's point of view.
  21. Upvote
    Pudgy reacted to Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Did Pastor Russell start destroying his books after he realized there were errors in them? Did Pastor Russell withdraw his book from circulation and start issuing new editions with altered text because he concluded that there were inaccuracies in the original edition?
    Does WTJWorg change the content of its digital "spiritual food", leaving no indication that the changes have been made or warning its readers that such a change is about to happen?
    If there has been a change in CT Russell's status at WTJWorg in the meantime, that is a problem with today's leadership. But the appearance of Russell was for a long time JW's proof that YHVH through Russell is "restoring true worship" on Earth. This part of the Russell quote you posted supports the public lie Geoffrey Johnson told in his testimony before the ARC.
    From both texts/statements it appears that WTJWorg is not the only organization or group of believers that "possess the truth", but that the truth can be found among people who are not part of them.
    It is evident that such "religious truth" is not taught in JW congregations nor is it found on any digital content of your official site.
    So here the main issue is not about who said it wrong or correctly, but it is about concealing historical accuracy and denying the manipulation of information that almost imperceptibly disappears from the screen.
    Few, if any, JW people download digital material and create their own archives. Because of this, they cannot be able to compare things. They can only rely on their memory. And after a while they will begin to convince themself that they are misremembering or that they saw the wrong letters and words while reading. In this way, the WTJWorg Corporation does mental and psychological damage to its followers because it makes them insecure and unstable in themselves. How could you not, when you read one thing today, and tomorrow it's not there or it's written differently. It is really a method of "theocratic war" against one's own "soldiers of Christ".
  22. Like
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Synopsis;
    1.) All “Truth”, about ANYTHING, is of necessity progressive and changable.  We learn as we go.
    2.) Don’t burn at the stake innocent people who are heretics to the current view.  It will change.
    3.) For whatever faults CTR had, he preached Matthew 18, not today’s witch hunt.
     
  23. Upvote
    Pudgy reacted to The Librarian in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Just because Charles Taze Russell wrote those words... it doesn't make it "gospel" so to speak.
    Obviously there have been many changes over the last century of which we are all well aware.
    And obviously... CT Russell was mistaken. Not the first time. Doesn't make his work, ministry and contributions any less important.
    Just my 2 cents
    p.s. - it is always unfair to judge the people of past decades and centuries using current knowledge. In that time period he was revolutionary and turning over quite a number of entrenched beliefs and eccliesiastical structures that were in place.
  24. Upvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    Again Fausto, all you have to support your blind agenda is irrelevant piles of words, and ALWAYS ad-hominem attacks.
    If that were not true, you would have spent your considerable effort dissecting and disproving the posted video proving that, with their own words, with their own printed publications!, the Society is in fact deliberately involved in temporal politics!
    The reason, the REAL reason you did not do that, is that the documentation is crystal clear, and unassailable, both in content and authorship.
    You already know this instinctively, and like the “overlapping generations” doctrine, cannot be explained or defended.
    THOSE are the facts that are unassailable, because they so clearly are true.
    You have ONLY opinion to counter the hard historical, and unimpeachable record that you refuse to address.
    …. and of course your desperate attempt to “kill the messenger”., as if that would rewrite the Society’s published record.
    As Bro. Russell said in the referenced article “What is Truth”, …. “ If Satan himself tells you the Truth, it is still the  truth.”
    … and with that I will leave you and your multiple personalities to stew in your own juices.
     

  25. Downvote
    Pudgy got a reaction from Fausto Hoover in The "new light" never extinguishes the old "light", but adds to it - C.T. Russell, WT February 1881   
    The term "sock puppet" can be translated into Latin as "puppis soccus”, so clearly this is a veiled “ad-puppis soccus” attack on trolls.
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