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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    Oh, don't be sorry about that. I don't know why you got your hopes up. I already knew those things - maybe your expectations were too high? I told you am low and like a kid inside. You can't expect too much from somebody like that, @boyle, come on.😆
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    That's nice of you to say I'm kind.☺️
     
    (Speaking of dimes, didn't Joan Jett sing "Put another dime in the jukebox baby!")
     
    I like music. Do you like music, @boyle?
     
    Here are three songs that use the word "world" in an easy to understand way, just like how Jesus used the word "world" in an easy to understand way. He said even a kid could understand the truth, so it's not surprising that popular songs would capture the appropriate utilization of the word 
     
    Quotes from some of the lyrics...
     
    "It's all over and I'm standing pretty
    In this dust that was a city
    If I could find a souvenir
    Just to prove the world was here..."
     
    The "world" that was destroyed in the song wasn't just politicians. It was a way of life. "World" has to do with a particular way of life.
     
     
     
    It's a wild world right now.
     
    "But just remember there's a lot of bad and beware
    Oh baby baby it's a wild world
    And it's hard to get by just upon a smile..."
     
     
     
    The word "world" here is synonymous with badness. Satan's world is bad.
     
    Here's another one...
     
    "It's hard to beat the system
    When we're standing at a distance
    So we keep waiting on (waiting)
    Waiting on the world to change..."
     
     
     
    Here "world" is the wicked system of things. We too are waiting on the world to change, with God's kingdom to rule in peace and love.
     
    Jesus' words "they are no part of the world" are not complicated. Even a kid can understand what they mean. The Pharisees and scribes like to make up rules and make things complicated. Jesus wasn't making up a new rule or a code of conduct in that phrase. He already told us what the rule was: "You must love one another, as I have loved you, love one another."💞
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    "Honest words are not painful! 
    But what benefit can be found in your reproof? 
    Are you scheming to reprove my words, 
    A desperate man’s sayings, which the wind blows away?  
    You would also cast lots over an orphan 
    And sell your own friend!"
     
    (Job 6:25-27)
     
    There have been trialsome times when I have had "desperate sayings", but that is not how I feel at present.
     
    Would you consider yourself a bit of a desperado, @boyle? 
     
    "You've been out ridin' fences for so long now. 
    Oh, you're a hard one, but I know that you got your reasons...
    It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you."
     
    You can let Jehovah love you.🥰
     
     
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    (Just a note, the screenshots are from today - the "shepherding call" was from a couple of years ago and the reference material on the w-o-l has changed, so the same article isn't there linked for the verse. But I showed the same article I was talking about that used to be there, as well as how another different article from the same year that is still linked to another verse near there, just to show the point - that the guys got mad about a comment from their own Watchtower material.)
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    Pudgy reacted to Matthew9969 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    To go along with this, voting wasn't even a concept for the regular jews back in Jesus's time. 
    Since  boyle is terribly naive, when a person votes they are not really voting for a person, but what that person believes is right or represents. For example I myself and a more middle of the road conservative, I believe abortion is murder and is wrong so I am going to vote for a candidate who believes the same way and will use their influence to end abortions. Or believe in diplomacy over war, being a good steward of the taxes we pay, etc. 
    I'm glad the jw version of the paradise isn't going to happen, I couldn't imagine the dictatorship of the governing body would go over very well with Jesus.
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    Come on, @boyle, are you trying to get the thread locked? You could stop it yourself or are you trying to get that personality puppet reported so you can bring a new one to life? I don't understand you sometimes...
     
    I will lock it for now since you refuse to behave like a gentleman...maybe you'll go make another thread to be silly on.
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    "...he disguised his sanity in their presence and acted insane while among them. He was making marks on the doors of the gate and letting his saliva run down his beard.  Finally Aʹchish said to his servants: “You see that this man is crazy! Why bring him to me?  Do I have a shortage of crazy men that I need to have this one acting crazy before me? Should this man enter my house?”"
     
    David wasn't really crazy, he was just creative. Some of those creative writing people have amazing imaginations too. I'm not really into fiction stories too much these days, personally, but David had a reason for his mask. I suppose some other people have a reason for their masks too. I think it's fun to be entertained by puppets, but I don't like when they get too wacky. (And I must say abusive speech from puppets is nothing compared to hearing it from elders or others in authority. At least from the puppets it's like a joke. I don't even notice it coming from online characters compared to what it is like in the congregation setting. The ones who are like that in the congregation aren't joking...) 
     
    "Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
    vul·ner·a·ble
    adjective: vulnerable
    susceptible to physical or emotional attack or harm."we were in a vulnerable position"

    Similar:  in danger    in peril    in jeopardy    at risk   endangered     unsafe    unprotected    ill-protected     unguarded    open to attack    attackable     assailable     exposed    wide open     undefended    unshielded    unfortified    unarmed   without arms    without weapons    defenseless     easily hurt/wounded/damaged    powerless    helpless    pregnable    impuissant    resistless      exposed to     open to     wide open to    liable to    prone to    prey to    susceptible to    subject to    not above    in danger of    at risk of    at the mercy of   an easy target for    easily affected by   in the firing line    susceptive of

    Opposite:   well protected    invulnerable    resilient    immune to    above
    (of a person) in need of special care, support, or protection because of age, disability, or risk of abuse or neglect."employees must be better trained in how to deal with vulnerable young people"
     
    As regards "vulnerability"...Just because someone wears their heart on their sleeve doesn't make them vulnerable. To the contrary, some who wear their hearts that way have an unseen strength that cannot be comprehended by onlookers, because it is strength from Jehovah, and not everybody can see Jehovah. It is not difficult to uncover your heart when you are resting in Jehovah's hands. He is the Most Fortified Stronghold.
     
    It appears to me the ones who are truly "vulnerable" hide what they are rather than coming into the light. That's not my business. Why do they call others "vulnerable" when they are the ones who are really scared?
     
    I don't know why they're so scared. Or maybe I do. Sometimes when your view of the "world" is shaken up, it can be scary. There's no need to be scared. The ransom is big. Jehovah is merciful, and it's only His opinion that really matters anyway.
     
    "“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.  For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.  Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.  Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked.  For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved.  But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.”💖
     
    Being "no part of the world" means not being fake.
     
    🙂🌷
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    I don't think I said anything that could be considered "stupid talk about that country" @boyle, but out of respect for you and whichever brother you mean, I will refrain from the topic if it pleases you.🙂
     
     
    I'm not disfellowshipped by Jehovah, or by His Friends. Jehovah's Friends (the ones who are awake) know that Jesus' ransom is enough for me. (The other ones are sleeping, but they'll wake up eventually.)
     
     
    How magnanimous of you.😁
     
     
    I don't think @Witness is bad. I think she's just a little mixed up at present. I don't follow Pearl - I follow Jesus. I'm not an apostate. I believe the Bible is God's Word and I put God's Word ahead of what any imperfect person teaches.
     
     
    What are you talking about? I know God's name is Jehovah. Jehovah left His Name on Jehovah's Witnesses. He could remove it if He wanted too. But He hasn't. I know Jehovah will clean up the organization bearing His Name, because His Name Means He Causes To Become. His Name is associated with His Reputation, the God of Love. Jehovah will never fail to come for us, to save us, to rescue us. I am waiting for Him. His name is the "signal" for us. Jesus' name means "Jehovah is Salvation." I will wait where Jehovah's name is. Even if I'm "just outside the walls" so-to-speak, because bad guy elder wolves threw me out for telling the truth.
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    What was she reinstated as?
    Did you stop viewing her as your sister for awhile and then you changed your mind?
    Why did you abandon her when she needed you most, if she was potentially spiritually weak or sick?
    Didn't Jesus tell an illustration about taking care of a beat up unconscious person?
    If you considered her to be spiritually unconscious, how could you just abandon her and leave her for dead?
    What do you mean by "status"?
    Did Jehovah have the spirit come down in bodily form like a dove so that you could be aware of His approval of her or the lack thereof?
    How do you measure genuine repentance if you can't read the heart?
    Where does it say anywhere in the Bible the process utilized by the congregation at present for these "reinstatement" rituals?
    If you can't literally see "the Devil take her over" as you say, why would you conclude such a thing?
    And if that did happen, how could you leave her with him and expect counseling to help?
    How did you measure that one, that she "left Jehovah's hands"?
    How do you know she ever "left Jehovah's hands" if you can't see Jehovah?
    If she had been visiting with you for a period of time, as you make it sound, why didn't you forgive her the very first day she came to you, since Jesus said "if you brother comes to you even 77 times a day and repents you must forgive him..."?
    Why would you make her suffer by treating her as an outcast in God's house just because of some dumb rules from headquarters that are opposed to Jehovah's holy spirit and Christ's commands?
     
    (Just wondering.🥹 From my point of view, that whole "reinstatement ritual" seems pretty "worldly"/satanic. Not really what Christ would do at all. I know you're just following orders from the GB. Please, @boyle, I do hope you will reconsider that someday. I just know Jesus has so much more good work for you to do in the future, and even now, to comfort people like the Christ did, if only that GB rhetoric wasn't getting in the way of showing love.)💖





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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    Hi, @boyle. Was this is the Watchtower article you were talking about? It's from April 2016, "Maintain Your Neutrality in a Divided World" - it's reviewed again in the midweek meeting this week.
     
    Here's the thing, the scriptures cited in the article don't support the points that are made in the article. Below are some of the scriptures cited in the paragraphs that are about "neutrality". I also will attach screenshots from the article, but I can't see how these specific scriptures are supporting the statements of the writer of that article...(by the way, this Watchtower is the one also that said Jehovah's Witnesses don't vote...)
     
    Matthew 22:21 "They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”"
     
    Jesus was talking about paying taxes. He wasn't talking about neutrality. In fact, paying taxes isn't really neutral if you think about it, because it funds the military and abortion clinics in some places and political leaders. Paying taxes is one of the least neutral things you can do. And yet Jesus said to do it.
     
    Isaiah 2:4 "He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore."
     
    This verse is about not taking part in war. It doesn't talk about politics or social issues or voting.
     
    John 6:15 "Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone."
     
    This verse doesn't say that Jesus wasn't interested in social issues. Jesus obviously was very interested in social issues. He fed the hungry. He comforted the depressed. He ministered to the sick and downtrodden. He raised money for the poor. He taught about fair treatment for women and those people who others were prejudiced against.
     
    When Jesus left the scene in that verse, it wasn't because he didn't care about social issues. It just wasn't his Father's time for Jesus to be king yet. It wasn't about neutrality. It was about timing.
     
    John 17:16 "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."
     
    The entire chapter of John 17 is about life and truth and joy and being united in love with Jehovah. There is nothing there about politics or neutrality. It's all about love. "No part of the world" means not acting like Satan, the ruler of the world. It means not being attached to his way of doing things, which is the way of hate and pride and competition and selfishness. It doesn't mean "don't support a soup kitchen" or "don't donate to save the whales" or "don't vote for a local representative for city hall." 
     
    1 Peter 2:17 "Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king."
     
    This verse doesn't talk about neutrality either, but it is cited right after a sentence in the article that talks about it again.
     
    Ephesians 2:2 "in which you at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience."
     
    The verse here is used in the article to condemn protesters. When Jehovah's Witnesses did information marches like "Religion is a Snare and a Racket", were those like a form of protest against false religion? When Jehovah's Witnesses wrote letters to Putin, wasn't that a form of activist campaigning? Being active in protesting a situation does not necessitate that that expression is a "disobedient" one from God's point of view. When we protest that our brothers are arrested in Russia for keeping their integrity and manifest that protest by means of an appeal to the government authorities, that is not "the spirit of disobedience" yet it is a form of protest. So is the organization also not being neutral when they preach or appeal for the arrested brothers? 
     
    John 16:33 "I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.”
     
    Conquering the world means conquering hatred. It is not about "neutrality" in social issues.
     
    (There are other issues mixed in with "neutrality" in the article the way it is written. Idol worship is bad, yes. Pledging allegiance to a flag is a form of idol worship, yes. Murder is bad, truly. Jesus told us not to pick up the sword. We have specific commands that tell us not to kill and not to do false worship. But what does that have to do with the neutrality issue as applied in the article, which does not have any scriptural grounds as the article is written? Personally, I have no desire to either vote or to get involved in political issues, but I don't like it when the scriptures are misapplied and twisted to make it look like they're saying something that they're not really saying.
    The video that goes along with the article is even more ridiculous. After reading the Watchtower article, the poor lady feels guilty for watching the news. Another one feels bad because she cares about people. And the young guy feels bad for liking soccer games. The real thing they should feel bad about is worshipping the governing body and obeying men ahead of obeying God, since that's false worship of idols and disobedience to Jehovah.)








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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in What Does it Really Mean to Be "No Part of the World"?   
    Okay, if you really want me to...🥲
     
    I am not disfellowshipped by Jehovah. He gives me His holy spirit, and He wouldn't do that if the "disfellowshipping doctrine" was in harmony with His spirit inspired Word. The disfellowshipping doctrine is Satan's way of doing things, it's part of this world.
     
    I live about a minute and a half from the KH. We moved to this house so we could be close to the KH. I've known the people there a long time. One sister was in the room when I had my kids. Another sister and her family, we were there after she lost her son in a tragic accident and we were together through so many of the tears. Another sister, we supplicated Jehovah that her son could come over from Africa because it was a difficult situation, and then he finally got here. I've visited those people in nursing homes and hospitals, and we've shared meals together and our lives. The people are my mothers and sisters and brothers. My kids' friends are there. When those bad elders disfellowshipped me, it was like I lost a whole nation of people to death at once. I didn't die, spiritually or otherwise. It's like they all did. Except I still see them around town, and they act strange.
     
    It's not their fault - it's the governing body's fault. Hopefully they repent. The ransom is enough for them if they haven't sinned against the spirit. They teach lies about the Bible and lies about Jehovah. And they know better. They know the history of the organization, how disfellowshipping wasn't always a thing. It's like they don't have a heart anymore - it's gone dark. They are acting like "part of the world."
     
    Jesus is coming to remedy the situation. I'm not the only one, obviously, who has had to deal with the fallout from false doctrines. Every single member of the organization has been hurt by them. And the whole world, really, who hear about Jehovah's Witnesses and these awful false doctrines, they are hurt too because it makes them think bad of Jehovah and not want to get to know Him. Most of all, Jehovah's been hurt by these false doctrines - seeing His kids get treated so horribly and the guys taking the lead saying "it's in Jehovah's name we do this." Yikes!
     
    I don't know what helps other "disfellowshipped" ones cope, but it helps me to view those in the organization as asleep. Jesus will wake them up, just like he woke Lazarus up. Until then, it's like I get to watch them dreaming...I miss them. But I know whatever things we miss out on together now, Jehovah can give back tenfold in the future. Everlasting life is a long time, and Jehovah has a way of giving superabundantly beyond all we can ask or conceive. I will wait for it.
     
     
     
    (I'll see you when you "wake up", too, @boyle...🥲😘😌Love you, my brother...."Until we meet again..."🌿🌷)
     
     
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    Pudgy reacted to Arauna in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    I learnt it in girl scouts too!  We were taught not to suck out the poison if you had any cut or open wound in the mouth or cavity......... lol...  they were very thorough.
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    Pudgy reacted to Srecko Sostar in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    In general, many people don't go to vote. I am not sure but in many countries less than 50% of population that have right to vote doing that. So, all of them will be target for "hate" :)) Perhaps basement would be good place for hide from haters. :))
    There is about 22 countries where voting is mandatory.
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    Pudgy reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    If blood is soooo sacred in the eyes of the GB / Org, they why do the GB 'allow' JW's to accept fractions of HUMAN BLOOD ?
    I would have thought the mere 'messing about' with / disecting of, human blood would be seen as wrong. That blood has been removed from someone's body. Shouldn't all blood removed be 'pored out on the ground' ? 
    On this subject, can someone tell me exactly how many different types of blood fractions JW's are 'allowed' to use ? I have tried to research it but it get confusing to me. 
    On a wider scale of things though,it definitely shows that the GB are the GOVERNING BODY, dictating rules of men,doesn't it ?
    Didn't Jesus say how wrong that was ? Lording it over the congregation. 
    God is going to judge us through Christ, so do we really need to be dictated to by men ? Are we not allowed to have a conscience ?  Guidelines, yes, but man made rules dictated to servants of God, no. Especially as failures of those in charge are easily seen. It seems like some here want to go back to the lie told about the 'Superior Authorities' just to gain more power over the earth wide congregation.. 
     
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    Pudgy reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    Well I haven't heard or see anything as yet about voting, but wouldn't surprise me that they will make a public declaration saying is a personal decision and no JW would be deciplined if they do. 
    Well I haven't heard or see anything as yet about voting, but wouldn't surprise me that they will make a public declaration saying is a personal decision and no JW would be deciplined if they do. 
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    Pudgy reacted to Arauna in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    This will soon be so. Governments will clamp down on ANY organization which enforces biblical law... I see you do not get it.  ..the tide against ALL Christian' laws/principles  is turning.
    It will be up to the individual to decide to vote, not take a blood transfusion, or not condone unchristian behaviour,  by cutting association with those who approve LGBT or any other prohibition imposed God.  You do not get it - this is the 'beginning ' of governments enforcing their new moral laws on all Christian's and especially those who stand out for their obedience to laws which other christians do not care about.  In England and Scandinavia people are going to prison or taken into custody for talking against Islam and LGBT - soon it will include voting, blood transfusions and shunning.... and much more........ the world will take away freedom of choice and impose their humanist/satanic laws on us under the guise of human rights.
     
     
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    Pudgy reacted to Arauna in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    Why should a  ignorant  office worker in some government department decide we are 'extreme' people and a 'threat to public health' when the God of the universe tells us to abstain from blood?
    The true evidence is that transfusions are in reality a great threat to public health with all the fatal diseases which can be transmitted such as Hepatitis C, AIDS, syphilis.... just to mention three which come to mind.
    They greatest threat of blood transfusion is anaphylactic shock - which is never put on death certificates as cause of death - and in reality is the greatest cause of death after surgery.... By third day after the surgery it starts manifesting and then the death certificate usually says "complications after surgery".  
    So, in the final analyses it is about obedience to jehovah.  If one believes he really exists - will one deliberately ignore his laws ?  ......and risk losing his Holy Spirit? 
    What you guys here do not get is that the risk is high when one deliberately disobeys God........ one risks getting an unapproved mental state.... and then it does not matter if you are shunned by others.  Your own mental state will shun you....... because you will become an opposer and be shunned for a brazen attitude by breaking some other laws of God as well. 
    You may become like some people here on this forum who gives each other silly likes when they find material which condemns JHws while they (the JWs) are in the situation of trying to obey God.  I bet some of the opposers here will feel justified when our persecution starts and revel in our being designated "extreme" and even enjoy our persecution.   God predicted it would happen.
    That is the mental state you get when you disobey jehovah and think you can make your own rules as you go along and condone hate against those trying to obey the laws of God.
    Even if governments force their laws and morality on us and outlaw shunning.......(which I predict they will do in the near future) , obedience to the laws of God and his personal approval of the individual will still remain the factor in final approval  and  opportunity for life everlasting.
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    Pudgy reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    Each person will have to choose if they will vote. !
    its fine to say that to the public but unfortunately that's not really true when you are a JW.
    Actually what my wife and I have noticed for the last few years is that the society is happy to portrait a different kind of rules kinda show a different society to the public where we have a choice or is up to each individual to choose about blood, shunning, vote etc but that's not reality.
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    Pudgy reacted to JW Insider in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    First of all. Thanks for the sentiments in the previous post. I don't plan to focus much on things said here anymore, so you're right that it isn't really going to matter much whether those details about 2016 are explained to me or not. 
    I've read what the editors of "DTIB" have said about genealogy and it's easy to understand. I also understand what it says about "generations" in those pages you referenced and in other parts of this same "Bible Dictionary." Also, I know that if someone did a search on the term "overlapping generations" among all the Bible commentaries and Bible dictionaries, the term almost never comes up at all except in this particular one: "Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible" (DTIB). And it only happens on page 244, the first page you quoted. Yes, it's "cool" and "unique" that someone can find a person with academic credentials who used the term "overlapping generations" but its very use here undermines the Watchtower teaching instead of helping to support it.
    The problem, of course, is that the editor you recommended here (pp. 244-246), doesn't really believe the Bible's genealogies are trustworthy and accurate as actual genealogies. He prefers to see many of them as unhistorical. But that's typical of modern critical commentaries. However, he quotes Rendsburg who actually does argue that the genealogies of the Pentateuch are reliable and historical. And in that paragraph, he uses the phrase: "overlapping generations." He says that:
    Rendsburg "has based his conclusions in part on the observable pattern of overlapping generations so that people of the same age need not be of the same generation."
    But it's quite easy to see that this goes completely against what the Watchtower publications have tried to say about generations. In fact, it directly opposes what the Watchtower publications say.
    The Watchtower publications NEVER use the expression "overlapping generations" with respect to the generation teaching, because our current teaching is the opposite. Our teaching is that even persons of widely different ages NEED to be part of the SAME GENERATION because Jesus said that "THIS GENERATION" (not "these generations") would not pass away. Our current teaching is that almost all of the people in the first part of the generation do not need to have their lives overlap with most of the people in the second part of that same generation. In fact, our current teaching is supposed to work out even if only ONE person among the thousands in that first part has a lifespan that overlaps with at least ONE person in the second part of that SAME generation. The infamous Splane chart even mentions the possibility that this ONE person might be, using a known example: Brother Frederick W. Franz. If FWF was indeed the last living person from the first group, then his lifespan, in the end, would only need to have overlapped with ONE remaining person from the second part of that same generation by the time the end of this system arrives. Our definition of the current teaching could allow for this even if that overlap had happened for only a few seconds and the overlapping person in the second group had never met or even known about FWF while FWF was alive. And then, by definition, this ONE GENERATION Jesus spoke of can only go on for as long as at least that ONE person from the second group, is still alive.
    That might sound complex and I'm using an extreme example. But it's an example that fits the current teaching.
    I'm personally not too concerned with whether this teaching is going to hold true, time-wise. It very well might. If it does, I don't think it's necessary that it was because the teaching was right. It could just be a coincidence if the end of this system comes tomorrow.
    One reason I'm not too concerned is just based on the very nature of speculative teachings. If the teaching is now correct, then this means that it is the "truth." Yet, if someone believed and promoted this "truth" back in 2004, for example, then it would have been an apostate teaching at that time. Speculative teachings are always this way: they could be an apostate teaching, then a true teaching, then they might become an apostate teaching again in the near future.
    I'm not saying the Watchtower is wrong. But I'm not personally concerned with our more speculative teachings. And this one is the kind that creates a range of dates, which, to my conscience, goes against what Jesus and Paul said about not needing anything to be written to us about the times and seasons. These things are in the Father's jurisdiction, not ours.
    We should be more concerned with what type of person we ought to be knowing that the end could come at any time.
  20. Haha
    Pudgy got a reaction from John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    Well, 18 pages of disagreeableness for this thread alone. I did this watching a TV series so at least THAT story was not a complete waste of time.
    I like a good religious debate, and used to debate 3 to 5 worldly people at the same time, on IRC/DALNET.
    In 15 years there I never had anyone lie to me, or about me … and conversations were based on Scripture, reason and logic, hard facts and common sense.
    Here it’s like talking to malignant zombies, or the divorced from reality, with rare exceptions.
    Exit, stage right ……

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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    You know I'm talking about the elders in my congregation, @boyle, come on now...☺️
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    Oh, @Pudgy, I know nothing I do is going to "help". Nothing is going to change until it is Jehovah's appointed time. I know that.
     
    It's just in the meantime, a matter of principle. I am not trying to be disruptive, that is not my motive, but it is a result of their response to my keeping integrity. I can't help that.
     
    I obeyed the rules of the congregation as published, as well as the rules of the Bible. Those guys broke their own rules, and then punished me for it. Fine. Whatever. But now I am not going to stop loving people just because they want to kick me out. Their lack of integrity doesn't change my integrity.
     
    I am not going to stop talking to people just because some guys want to say "shun her!" It doesn't work that way. They can make all the decrees they want, but that doesn't change that Jehovah decrees I do everything I can to encourage my family. There are some in the congregation who know I didn't do anything for which to be shunned. They know it. And they got strength when they saw me out there with that sign. The little ones. They saw, and they got strength. I won't leave them.
     
    When there are brothers and sisters in the prisons, who goes to clap for them? When there are sick ones in the hospitals or nursing homes, who goes to visit them? We should. We can't always, but it's good if we do. My family is in prison in the organization to wicked men who make God-dishonoring decrees. I'm not leaving them. I can't be with them at every meeting - I won't bring my kids there anymore because of current circumstances - but I can go to the assembly and convention and CO visit once in awhile and show that I am not a hater and I am not guilty of the charges. It's the principle of it. If I didn't go, then it'd be like I gave up. I can't do that.
     
    Even when I feel like giving up, Jehovah gives me the strength again. Praise Jehovah. I am confident that soon He will get rid of the disfellowshipping doctrine and the other God-dishonoring teachings in the organization. I am 100% confident. I will be outside the "walls" when they fall, and I will be ready to comfort all those brothers. They are going to need to be comforted. They're not used to thinking and reasoning on the Bible for themselves.
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    Pudgy reacted to John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    What are you, like a prophet or something now? Lol...😆 
    I don't believe in false prophets.
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    Pudgy got a reaction from John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    You are clearly bat crap delusional.
    1.)  Since you have been here you have NO IDEA if I have heeded God’s words, or not, as evidenced by your many slanders against me, based on false assumptions.
    2.)  I have not defended apostates, I have defended true statements, from whatever source. I did chastise  the creating of dissension in the Congregations, a serious error.
    3.)  I do not insult anybody or anything. I excoriate with satire, humor and reason and logic thing that are lies, stupidity, arrogance, and agenda driven thinking. I have always invited rebuttal and civil disagreements. I tell the truth as I see and have experienced it.  Truth is often mistaken for insult, especially if you are the one being lampooned.
    4.). I have NEVER INSULTED your family. I know nothing about your family. I have challenged you several times to show me where I insulted your family, and you NEVER COULD.
    5.)  I would like to see your hard evidence that I am a deranged, sick individual. Your opinion is only that unless proven. Nothing more.
    6.). Why people in the Closed Club put up with my nonsense? I don’t know, but I suspect they appreciate hard facts that can be proven every time, and most understand my outrageous sense of humor.
    7.)  And there is a very real difference between being simply wrong, as we each take turns being, and being a scammer. 
    Of course a person can be wrong and teach what is wrong because they themselves believe the error … but a scammer is one who KNOWS he is defending a lie, because he KNOWS what he is teaching is not true.
    Thr reason the Society does not follow Matthew 18 …. Jesus SPECIFIC instructions on how to maintain peace in the Congregation, is because they would lose their hold on the never ending flow of money, which is clearly evident.
    Well … I hope to have addressed all your accusations and delusions. If not … a civil dialog based on verifiable hard facts instead of the norm would be welcomed.
  25. Haha
    Pudgy got a reaction from John 12.24to28 in The state subsidy is denied to WTJWorg in Norway   
    Well, boyle, by attacking me you inadvertently let slip through your cognitive agenda driven dissonance that YOU KNOW that Jehovah’s Witnesses do NOT follow Scripture.
    You even downvoted Jesus’ SPECIFIC instructions of how to do it right.
    DOUBLE YIKES!
     

     
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