Dmitar

Do you know why Watchtower Lawyers and people that are close to them do not fear being eaten by sharks when they swim in the ocean?
……….. Professional Courtesy.

I can see that this is upsetting the two of you!  If they call me in for distribution of copyright, they will have to haul in thousands of other people with me.  I don't own the website, I linked it, just as everyone else has.    I'm not having any of the problems that you are talking about SM, but I'll let you know.

Which End was near for apostles (which End was the End for them) ?
 
They, GB, made claim how Jesus and JHVH have complete TRUST to FDS aka GB.
And as consequence GB calls every JW member to show same trust to GB because from GB will come "life saving instructions".
"Life saving instructions" in/for the time of global confusion and attack on JW members, it can only mean one thing; GB has a "special knowledge" of the end of the world in Armageddon. So who should believe that but you and JW?
Yes, they made The Claim......  But you don't listen? Or you missed the WT articles and JWTV ?

There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.

I see at least two moments here.
First; You inadvertently (I guess) compare GB to Jesus. Jesus, you say, did not help the apostles to stop believing in delusion. Analogously, GB did not help to break the 1975 idea out of the head of JW followers.
Second; Why would Jesus not want to help his friends (the apostles) see the truth and the light? Why would he want them to be misled? What special value does cover-up about this matter have for the lives of the apostles and other followers? Analogously, does GB have "knowledge" that they don't want to share with rank and files JW members? 
Personally, I don’t believe GB knows more than other JW members. GB just has more ideas and more interpretations because it is their “job” to "survive", to keep them in position at all.
 
 

As far as illumination goes, I suspect Dmitar would cast a dark shadow, even if he was on fire!
He is, however, a literal Master at adding insult to injury!

Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..

Notice this:
... planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.
Well yes, they point to 1975 as critical and final date. .............. Rest of their days :)))) not months, not years, not decades, but DAYS.
Do we live today in the "rest of days of the overlapping generation"? SM, Dmitar please some illumination from you?

Since you posted @Witness, you are responsible for distribution of copyright. The day the Watchtower gets this illegal site promoting itself as JW.org the lawsuits will include you. I hope you understand!

That's always the case. One side note. As I mentioned, if you weren't around that time and weren't aware of some circumstances, there were also imposters promoting and feeding such nonsense to the brotherhood. I believe the word gullible can rightfully be used in this instance. 
If you do some additional research, you will find how a little church in New York started a "rumor" about the company logo of Procter and Gamble in the 80s. They linked that logo to devil worship. Soon after, some pretenders started floating the idea, it was coming from the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses. That link started affecting the brotherhood. In some cases, JWs had stopped buying products from that company. That rumor spread until the Watchtower put a stop to that also.

https://accessjw.org/rtk/

Whether that is true or not remains to be "seen".  Amazing that within 15 minutes you found out that "half" of the site is dead.  You're quick!
Grant it, I haven't opened everything, but I have yet to come across links on the other pages, that don't work.
 
Are you trying to dissuade JWs from checking it out themselves?  
If so, why?
 
 
No kidding.  🙂
 
 

You obviously did not read what I wrote with any sort of understanding at all, or the link that you yourself provided. The link that you provided exactly confirms the dates and details of what I said that you disparaged with manipulative distraction with irrelevancies.
It was 1980 under the old logo, then I sent my certified letter, return receipt requested to Procter & Gamble headquarters in Cincinnati Ohio.
Again you have clouded the issue with complete irrelevancies and made another accusation about me that is false.
My long-winded commentary was relating exactly what happened, in detail. Your reply related how they changed their brand symbol in the 1980s from the old one to the new one, and nothing more was stated in the reference you gave…
The topic we were talking about has absolutely nothing to do with what you understood as a child about the 13 colonies of the United States, or brand changes.
 

Well this should surprise you, they believe the Watchtower owns military assets, this is why I mentioned Mr. Zelda and missiles in which Witness was defending when she was refuted by an EXJW who has knowledgeable in Economics. Even when refuted they continue. Some also believe they have assets in Nintendo as is Victoria's Secret.
It makes no sense, a 2+2=5 situation.

Seriously, I understand and enjoy many of the prophecies about the time of the end. I do not think I have more insight than any one else. All I did was study the history of the beasts and looked into present history. 
The UN has been identified as the image of the beast since the image appeared.  It is not hard to follow the history of the UN and its representatives as well as those countries, corporations, NGOs and mega-rich persons and leaders involved in the plans for the future as set out in UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030.
I understand what is coming, . .... I just do not know how far will jehovah allow them to fulfill their plans..... and what unforseen events of opposition  may stall them in completing it.  They are determined to get to their goals.... they have time and power on their side. Legislation is ongoing all the time which brings them one step closer to their goals  

A Politician’s reply ….. sorta like a Dmitar post.
Manipulative and changing the subject many times with MANY WORDS, to wear you down with irrelevancy.

… and as to the 1975 issue, photographs of a kingdom ministry I believe from 1974 have been posted here many times, although I do not have a copy on my iPhone, when the Society was commending the brothers who had sold their homes, assets, and businesses to preach the Kingdom message this time of the end.
Perhaps somebody here will post it again.
This makes it completely clear to my mind That the WTB&TS was in fact preaching that the end would occur In the mid-1970s.
JWI was there, and I was there, and saw it happen.
AND WITH THAT KINGDOM MINISTRY STATEMENT is the written confirmation.
And ( coff, coff ) I wonder where a lot of that money went?
 

Remember, Ray (R.) Franz, was a GB member.  
Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom” – "I have seen people very greatly harmed by the false urgency surrounding the 1975 predictions, with some undergoing extreme emotional stress, families facing enduring economic strain for years, men who had given up good jobs having bouts with alcoholism due to the difficulty in finding new employment, elderly persons who faced a bleak future due to using insurance or similar funds prematurely, persons whose physical health was seriously damaged due to putting off surgery or other treatment.  If the sacrifice had been for truth, for God, for a noble purpose, then it would be worth it. But it was due to a mental concoction (Col 2:8) originating with one person and then promulgated by an organization and it ended in nothing, proved a complete fiction.
They may try to shrug it off, but the responsibility for all this rests with those who gave birth to the false hopes, who stirred up and excited illusionary expectations”  (p. 567)
 
 
Ray Franz, “In Search of Christian Freedom”, p. 425  – "The organization seeks to robe itself in the awesome role of a prophet of God and claim the deference that such a prophetic office merits.  Yet it disclaims the responsibility for accuracy that goes with the office.
If confronted with God’s words at Deuteronomy 18:20-22 about such prophetic accuracy, it presumes to set this aside as not applying to it in its role of a “genuine prophet”, and “authentic prophet class”.  By what right does it do so?  Does merely saying, “Well, we’re all imperfect”, excuse the organization from having that Biblical standard of a genuine prophet applied?    It asks its adherents to disregard its past trail, which is strewn with unfulfilled predications and now-rejected erroneous interpretations, and to continue to put near reverential trust in what it publishes, granting it the dignity and honor and credence due a prophet of God.  Instead of feeling humbled by the clear evidence of its erratic, zigzagging course, it becomes more strident in its claims, more dogmatic as to its pronouncements.  Is this the course of a “genuine prophet” of God?
When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.   W 13/11/15 p. 20
 
 

You received confirmation from a third party that the WT organization had periodic collective hysteria about the end of the world.
These are 1914, 1925, 1941, 1975, until the end of the 20th century. Dude  

However, Jehovah did not let the people of Christendom, as led by the clergy, go without being warned that the League was a counterfeit substitute for the real kingdom of God. He had a “prophet” to warn them. This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women.  It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. They are still proclaiming a warning, and have been joined and assisted in their commissioned work by hundreds of thousands of persons who have listened to their message with belief.
Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?  (Wt 4/1/1972 p. 197)
Have you done that lately?  They are inviting you to go back the birth of the organization and "review the record".  
Here is your guideline to follow, when researching the record  - Insight Book 2, p. 694-698:
The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass (De 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship, being in harmony with God’s revealed word and commandments (De 13:1-4). The last requirement was probably the most vital and decisive, for an individual might hypocritically use God’s name, and by coincidence, his prediction might see fulfillment. But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, as has been shown. Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12) Hence, it was not necessary to wait perhaps for years or generations to determine whether the prophet was true or false by fulfillment of a prediction. If his message contradicted God’s revealed will and standards, he was false.
The true prophet never foretold simply to satisfy human curiosity. Every prediction related to God’s will, purpose, standards, or judgment. (1Ki 11:29-39; Isa 7:3-9) Often the future events foretold were the consequence of existing conditions; as the people sowed, so they would reap. The false prophets lulled the people and their leaders with soothing assurances that, despite their unrighteous course, God was still with them to protect and prosper them. (Jer 23:16-20; 28:1-14; Eze 13:1-16; compare Lu 6:26.) They imitated the true prophets, employing symbolic language and actions. (1Ki 22:11; Jer 28:10-14)
 
 

That's always the case. One side note. As I mentioned, if you weren't around that time and weren't aware of some circumstances, there were also imposters promoting and feeding such nonsense to the brotherhood. I believe the word gullible can rightfully be used in this instance. 
If you do some additional research, you will find how a little church in New York started a "rumor" about the company logo of Procter and Gamble in the 80s. They linked that logo to devil worship. Soon after, some pretenders started floating the idea, it was coming from the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses. That link started affecting the brotherhood. In some cases, JWs had stopped buying products from that company. That rumor spread until the Watchtower put a stop to that also.

Rev 19:19 – “Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against his army.”
“John: To the seven churches in Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,  and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood”
Is Jesus ruler over the “kings”/leaders of the nations as well as his own "kings"?  If that is the case, then why is there a need for the Wt to declare that Jesus is head over only the Watchtower, and only rules over its leaders? 
The kings of the earth are spoken of in Rev 5:9,10
“And they sang a new song:
You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slaughtered,
and you purchased people
for God by your blood
from every tribe and language
and people and nation.
You made them a kingdom
and priests to our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
The battle between the “kings of the earth” is between those faithful to Jesus, and those once under covenant with him but who have since become his enemies. (Rev 19:19; 12:7)  Of course, we know that in “heaven”, the nations “kings”/rulers will not be found, but only Christ’s “called, chosen and faithful” priests/kings who successfully “rode” with him bearing truth during Armageddon, and rule with him in Zion. (Rev 17:14)
“I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.”  Rev 21:22-24
Jesus is King of kings (Rev 19:16), but he is not king over the national leaders of the world. They are not under covenant with him. (Jer 31:31; Luke 22:20)  His kings were chosen when anointed, but that doesn’t mean they all remain faithful to his truths. (Deut 29:18; Heb 12:15; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:11; 17:1; Rev 13:11,12)  In the last days, the anointed remnant, the remaining “kings of the earth” are deceived by the “teachings of demons”. Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Luke 22:31; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
“And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
So, which “kings” do you think Jesus is talking about that are being deceived by a false prophet? The nation's leaders who could very well be atheist?  It is established by Rev 1:5 that the kings of the earth are under the rulership of Jesus Christ.  Those with them, are all JWs from around the world -  found in the organization.  These kings were gathered over the years into one ”camp”, the Wt. (Rev 20:7-9)  In there, they are presented with teachings that they must discern as either truth or lies (Joel 3:14); making  the choice to either ride with Christ and his Truth, (Matt 25:1,2,6-10) or remain under the influence of “demonic expressions”, spoken by the enemies of Christ. This describes the division that is now occurring, the choice to follow Jesus Christ and his word, or to follow the “empty philosophy” of men – “kings” who have fallen from God’s grace. (1 Cor 11:19)
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”  Eph 6:12,13
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” 2 Cor 11:13-15
“I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.” Rev 2:2
“And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! “For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Rev 6:15-17
Jesus would not apply the term “kings of the earth” to world leaders that are not under covenant with him, nor ever have been; and then also apply that term to his anointed under covenant.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

@Srecko Sostar Dude, you effectively lost the plot here, which can be seen from the comments you made. After what was said, in full detail, anything you say is 100% nullified going forward. It would be best for you to return to Cedars at this point.

@Dmitar Thanks I'll look into it. But yeah, the peddling for false stories and information tends to be frustrating and the people behind it are relentless. SM pointed out it has even gotten to the point that people looking in are now calling out some lies former Jehovah's Witnesses are pushing. One thing I remember was a while back one of Jehovah's Witnesses made a comment about a verse being omitted, Acts 8:37 and an angry mob went after him. He knew it was a waste of time to deal with people like this so he bailed, and once he left, they mocked and slandered him. Someone who was a former member made a video about the verse and continued the attack. It did lure in some JWs and others to correct the guy who made the video, but they were drowned out by those who are not only ignorant, but relentless in their attacks.
You really can't find peace with these people, nor can you get them to see what they are pushing are lies. The sad thing about it, there are indeed some who are not hate driven, but they are also drowned out too.

In 1941 the WT organization also fueled feelings about Armageddon at the time, even within that same year.
Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    WT September 15 Page 288