Dmitar

THIS one is to me, incredibly Brilliant humor!
 

So?
Either you “get” innuendo non-sequiter nuanced humor …. Or you don’t.
Usually, those that build pictures in their minds with each word in a sentence they read, “get” visual humor as well.

It often takes a hundred years.

Then you learned nothing with true worship in this long argument. 

The moral of the story is this:
No matter how badly screwed up our Theology is, we could be an ugly epileptic baby cockroach having a stroke, drowning in cold coffee.
 

Which reminds me :
On my iPhone, above this post, is an ad for bugmd, showing a cockroach drinking coffee. Your device may show something different, so I am including a copy here.
What you do is leave coffee out on your kitchen counter, and in the night, in the dark, cockroaches will assemble around the rim of the cup, and drink coffee. It gets ‘‘em totally wired.
You sneak in, and as fast as you can, flick the lights on and off about twenty times.
Their eyes are frozen open, they have a stroke, fall into the coffee, and drown.

Sometimes …. delusions about the beauty of our incredibly ugly babies keeps us from drowning them at birth.
It’s more important if we are the baby.

All you say is true….. but compared to Catholic Inquisitions and Crusades that lasted 300 years, what it proves is this:
It’s the best humans are capable of at their best.
Here is the test:
Who, does a BETTER JOB?
(   …. an address and a phone number will be helpful. )
 
 

No, not the leadership, but I'm sure many were disfellowshipped after its failure, for speaking out against the leadership's folly, as well as their organization. They had "had it up to here", severing all devotion to Wt's "empty philosophy" (Col 2:8); yet received the lowest demotion possible, for rejecting delusions.  Jer 23:16  
Funny thing isn't it, those who leave become the bad guy; while the instigators, the planners of the deceptive boondoggle, remain the good guys.  
So, in other words, the leadership was practicing deception; a crime against God's decrees.   (Lev 19:11,12; Prov 19:9
"Whenever a sentence for a crime is not carried out swiftly, the human mind becomes determined to commit evil."  Eccl 8:11
God knows the end from the beginning. (Isa 46:10;Rev 22:14,15)
"A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear."   2 Tim 4:3
Ahhh, so is this the scripture Fred Franz thought of, which enabled him to put the guilt on the rank and file?  
"'Do you know why nothing happened in 1975?  Then, pointing at his audience, he shouted:  'It was because you expected something to happen'" (Apocalypse Delayed, Penton, 1986, p. 100)

Sometimes, the “Elephant in the Room” has to be there for 40 years before people will admit he is really there, after denying it for 38 years.
That does not take humility.
It takes inevitability, in the face of hundreds of thousands of people that will not drink the Kool Aid.
I was there before, during, and after 1975, and was paying attention.
It was a deliberate attempt to scare the Brotherhood artificially.
What the GB LEARNED, is that you cannot fool all of the people … all of the time.….. and that loss of credibility has serious consequences.….. but that’s OK, the GB never missed a meal, or slept cold.
…….. and NOBODY GOT FIRED or demoted.
 

That is largely true but the original telephone message did lean heavily to that date.with  articles and graphs etc…it was like striking a match and not expecting it to start a fire…they at the top  have to take responsibility for the written articles and graphs that fed that fire….having said that with each article there was a paragraph saying it was all in Jehovahs time line etc etc.
yes the 70s was a different era…but 75 did not start with the rank and file…
I know the GB learnt from that…I listened to a excellent talk from a brother who admitted they had and that the GB had listen to you ( the rank and file ) he was encouraging one’s not to be weakened by that…and then he said the words…..”You don’t think Jehovah was watching all of that “
It was in my opinion a honest admission of a major spiritual stuff up….
it was a great talk…and a humble one…
 

It isn't a title, it is in regards to Core Teachings in of itself. I mean, you were formerly a JW, they were well aware of the events regarding Constantine the Great, more so, as pointed out you were in the debate where @Cos willfully tried to re-write history of the early church.
Jehovah's Witnesses, formerly, Bible Students, originated from the Great Awakening/Revival of Christianity, of which the Restorationists originated from, even by root. One can argue that they are Semi-Millerites. It can be noted that even prior to becoming Bible Students, they had to understand what was the Core Teachings are and what was not, an example of this, Pastor Russell concerning Hellfire and Torment.
The Anti-Trinitarian faction wasn't as organized as our Trinitarian/Mainstream counterparts, granted they were the majority while we were the minority. You even attest to that notation of who has more of a presence, Catholicism. even if they were, the Mainstream branded them as sectarian.
Anti-Trinitarian vs the New Christendom has always been in conflict since the events of 325AD, the only difference is we are not as brutalized like our former.
This also goes hand in hand with the fight for Bible Translations.
For perhaps, if you, myself and @Dmitar even @Witness lived in those times and attempt to use early sources to translate the Bible other the later, let alone attest against Creeds, we would all surely all be crucified, and burned at the stake, in Witness' case, they would blame her view of Christ as being God's Son as Witchcraft or the like, liken to what I told @Pudgyregarding Isaac Newton.
Some if not most are already on that path, this is why I defend the early church for years now, even against some of your assertions.
Those who strive to be, do so over time, an example of this is your former faith use to partake in festivities that are not inline with what the Bible says only to come to an understanding later on, hence Restorationist position compared to most who didn't think twice and outright abandon the practice, this may be the case due to coming to an understanding of the Jewish Calendar whereas such Traditions do not exist.
Over the years, people were still learning and applying, even adapting. Granted, everything pertaining to Anti-Trinitarian was technically almost erased and or changed, i.e. Didache.
I do not think you have if you assume the early church to that of a title.
Strive as is in adaptability, applying, changing to line up with what is in the Core Teachings, i.e. understanding that God is not Jesus, and that God is the Father of Jesus Christ (Exodus 3:14; John 8:58, Matthew 16:16, Colossian 1:3, John 17). To understand that Jesus does not pray to himself (John 17)
You seem to miss the context entirely.
The Core Teachings are quite obvious., hence the early church. even back in those days, notable Church Fathers and or Bishops had to fight to defend these Core Teachings such as Irenaeus of Lyon prior to the events of the Council. Regarding the Council, The New Christianity dominated, and Constantine tolerated all faiths only to cause paganism to infect Christianity. The other council is was enforced you accept or succumb to consequence, hence why our early church counterparts was either lost or scattered, some perhaps even executed for not accepting.
That being said, after all this time, how is it that you were not aware of the Councils? Then again, since you aligned yourself with Trinitarians for a Justifiable Cause, this was never addressed, in addition, you at times, pull information from your former faith, but never pertaining to historical accounts, then again regarding that you attempt to change history concerning the 1900s.

Well those that fell for that were not studying and understanding the scriptures …and they trusted in Men….big learning experience for them ..

Ah, I understand now. :)) Since no religion today bears the title the Apostolic Church, not even WTJWorg because they call themselves JW, that means there is no one true church today. According to you, the Biblical Unitarian is not true either because they are called BU and not AC.
I get it now this too. It is important to strive to follow (even in wrong way and with plenty of errors) to be true church. :))
 

@Srecko Sostar
Also, don't rely too heavily on Wikipedia. Anyone can edit those posts.

You know, if we back up and take another look at this—I think it accounts for why much of our audio and video production comes across as so bland and plain vanilla. If you add any of the spice that makes speech and text interesting, it becomes a turn-off to someone of another culture and background. So the brothers avoid the pitfall altogether. They trowel it on unambiguous and unfettered with anything potentially off putting. It is a test for those used to fine writing and oratory to not be so full of themselves, dial back artistic considerations, and just deal with ‘just the facts, ma’am.”
Even I—I know you will not believe this—have inadvertently been misunderstood and have given offense to some, without any bad intention whatsoever! And don’t get me started on all the rest of you. 

Ok. And? As do most who understand Core Teachings of the legitimate Christian faith vs the other faction that originated in the 4th century, he mentions this early on in the video. For in the days of Constantine, our predecessors, The Subordinationists, it was a dangerous time for them. This even goes into the Reformation, we had to deal with Catholics. Most Subordinationist Christians were killed, even in an era where there was a new Emperor.
To not accept the Creed or the Trinity, death will follow. Therefore, Jesus is not God, he is God's Son.
Moreover, Subordinationists never fought compared to the early days of Mainstream Christendom who took over. Then you have to factor in the issue with Bible translation.
God's Day, Jesus does come back to fight against lawlessness and badness.
God and the Holy Spirit are separate, for the Spirit isn't a literal being. He literally says this in the video Perhaps you took this man's words out of context. He mentions that Trinitarians believe in One God, but in 3 persons, therefore, in the Trinitarian view, The Holy Spirit isn't separate from God, but God himself, essentially. As far as I know, JWs, Muslims and most Anti-Trinitarians do not believe that the Holy Spirit is God, nor do they believe Jesus to be God, rather, the only God, is the Father (YHWH); Jesus states this too.
Unlike our other Unitarian counterparts, we believe Jesu pre-existence. As far as I know most Anti-Trinitarians, even JWs, believe this, but JWs are noted by opponents as Semi-Arians because they believe, like the Subordinationists Jesus was created by God. Some of the Unitarian Church outside of Biblical Unitarian believe Jesus only came into existence when conceived by Mary.
God's name? Srecko, are you aware of what the holy spirit is and what it is capable of?
The Holy Spirit is from [of] God and it itself has many names. Granted this video was posted in my other debate, even the website of this man made the correction; @Costried to get me on that, but failed. Moreover, another person similar to the man in the video, Kel, made the correction.
God indeed has many names, as is his Son, as is his Spirit. His spirit is used to direct his followers, in the past, enabling them to do miraculous acts. The Holy Spirit can be prayed for, and given to those who ask for it. Hence, the ending remark is correct.
The debate against @Cos concerning the Holy Spirit, probably the only debate where I was annoyed with a Trinitarian. Ironically @Dmitar was mentioned in this debate as his last tenure
I remember talking about this video years ago on here, likewise with Kel and Buzzard. 
 
From what I am aware, the core teachings they're aware about, the only difference is that they're as a whole an organized group compared to others. So not sure of what you are attesting to.
Most of us Anti-Trinitarians trust the Bible also.
One is organized and one is not?
That being said, at the end he made it clear of the different Unitarians out there.

Yes, and for all we know due to whomever he was with, since this is in the realm of Prostitution, be it a person (which is known) or several (a possibility due to how some operate in that regard), among them could be trafficked sex ring victims, and or underaged, for in Thailand the age of consent is 14-15 there is no question that some people with ill intent, often go to the country for that reason and try to shroud themselves, granted how high this notation is, especially in Thailand Bangkok - of all places in Thailand. This is something his followers will either soften the blow or avoid talking about, and or listen to what he has to say not realizing how things are in Thailand.
That being said, since he truly wanted to commit sin via adultery willfully, what hurts one's yoke with their mate even harder is with a Prostitute, his brazen fun and games until he was caught (for if he wasn't caught, he would be remorseless), hence the rift in the EXJW since the 2017 incident in the Borough is a large one.
There are parallels situations, someone from the Mainstream who made the news I believe, but ironically, the fact this Mainstreamer was a Woman, clearly in that moment the justice system didn't do much; other situations similar too.
All in all, like the Wiccan practitioner, he scrubbed some information on the Warwick situation too. For regarding these 2 former JWs, is is evident that they adhere to ill influence, and the action that follows. It also is a nod to the problems of Mainstream Christendom, in which forgiveness is often times, mostly, exploited, in short, people who play with God's forgiveness will fair badly in the end.
 

Jesus was accused of sedition because he preached about a kingdom not being of this world. 
This reminds me of the jab.  They do not speak against the jab.  Soon the governments will become more adamant especially when they want to barcode everyone in some way and jab you every year.  Each individual will have to make their own decision as to what they will do...... no more holding of hands...and leading the toddlers along..  We must learn to think and please Jehovah because we want to!
I read an old JW publication in which it explains this very well.  It refers to Psalm 45 where Jehovah will prepare a body for Jesus and he laid it upon the Altar of Jehovah - in the greater temple sanctuary.  This altar stands for the "will of Jehovah".  Jesus came to do the will of Jehovah even right to his death.  So, do we do the bidding of men to stay out of trouble and worship the beast? Or do we do the will of Jehovah and stay faithful only to Him.   There is a difference to fighting for 'freedom' in a political way and only staying calmly and peacefully faithful to Jehovah because Jehovah recognizes our right to choose to serve him. Like Jeus we could be called seditious at this point.
The Mosaic LAW given to the Israelites guarantees freedom of choice and a freedom to own your own property - no one should covet it and take any property of yours away.  So it is in the law of Jehovah.  BUT one must be cautious to politicize this freedom and stand up against government.  It should only be a religious choice.  Especially when the government starts to take away your property, and fine you, and even put you in jail, because you refuse to vote or obey mandates which takes away a choice. 
We all will be facing these choices soon! Be careful not to politicize your choices.

Speaking about voting, sometimes one's stance can cause someone to make assumptions. For instance, a JW can preach to someone in a Blue State on the matter of, for example, child abortion and life. Granted all of us know how life is viewed, even what the Bible says, the home owner would mistaken you for a Right-Winger whereas that same home owner is for abortion. They conclude that, although neutral, you are a Conservative Voter.
Even when it comes to a Biblical view, those of he political paradigm often confuse themselves.
Elsewhere there ae those who force you into a political side.
That being said, in the New Normalcy, the paradigm is a lot more aggressive.

It is more so standing on corners and the like. For me personally, the ones more troubling to deal with is the Black Hebrew Isrealites. They themselves tried to change history for the wrong reasons.
That being said, it is going to be tough.
And it will get worse should the gas, energy, and now wheat supply shifts in an unfavorable direction. This will effect people who do not know what is taking place in the background, even members of your faith.
even mentally one needs to defend themselves. Although @Dmitar would say otherwise, he agreed several times on the fact of the influence that has flourish recently in which it can effect some people namely younger people., for ill influence can effect everyone if they're not careful.
This particular EXJW is an interesting case, this excludes the others who went into spiritism full 100%, for this one, he slowly got into it. Despite preaching against JWs for he was essentially the voice of the Warwick protest and a legitimate rival to one of @Srecko Sostar's following, John Cedar (who is now known to be immoral), as for spiritism, he slowly began to be influence by spiritism. After the protest against JWs, he was shown in a video after his rant about the park situation doing a Wiccan practice - The Maypole, the picture below is an example of what that is

After the video came out, he made another one after he was called out by EXJWs, but soon after he deleted both videos yet for this major error, EXJWs still defend him and they still attack Cedars, however, despite this, he still communicates with Wiccan practitioners, who drew in more EXJW converts.
This is the same EXJW turned Wiccan who attempted to pretend he was a Truther, as is a member of a Hacktivist group only to get called out. As of now he also dwells on conspiracy. For even former members of your faith they need be careful, but most do not watch their step.
That being said, this same move is made by others, to trick people into accepting traditions, stating God sees them as harmless. So one need to be careful.
Granted @Dmitar was confused with his Unitarian remark as was @Srecko Sostar. There were no churches in the area at the time, so learning of God and the Bible was in house, for my Father had a reason for this because of a practice in my mother's country which is related to Spiritism as with violence (although at the time his country his no different), so holding on to what the Bible says is light holding a sword to fend off an extremely disaster laced influence which claim many. As for Biblical Unitarian, this is in regards to the fact my Father, as with me also, believe God to be the Father only, and the Son is the Christ, hence me being vocal against the Trinity and Mainstream, as is some of what spill over into the Anti-Trinitarian faction. Because of Restorationist movement, it actually gives the Anti-Triniarian a legitimate fighting chance against the Trinitarian and the Mainstream.

Thinking - you will have to try to get used to the American humor.  I do not understand it myself.  I often tramp in it. LOL

@Srecko Sostar Also your video is a bit misleading to the information you pulled, 2 different things, if you focused primarily on UU then you may have a case. That was an interview. What does it a UU have to do with a Biblical Unitarian who do not abide by Oneness or Interfaith? Unless you assume all Unitarians to literally be the same, for this seems to appear to be the case with what you are doing.
Also granted the UU is primarily organized, they have an organized faith community, hence links to UUA, etc.

Ah here we go again. This is the same argument Butler made, and was corrected.
Also you might want to re-check the history of the UUA/UUO.

 
It is quite clear I am not a Oneness Believer, Oneness is the view of a Unitarian Universalist. Therefore, comparing apples to an orange does not produce factual information, likewise to what Butler did.
Quite obvious by my other responses.
That being said, and now you are confusing denominations. Quite the predicament you put yourself in.

Biblical Unitarian.
Factionalist? And this pertains to what?
God is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is of God, not God.
Hence, the Anti-Trinitarian stance. I believe JWs also understand the Holy Spirit isn't God either, hence the view of Trinitarians, who believe The Holy Spirit is God, as is Jesus is God.
If you are implying that I am alive (life concerning spirit), then yes. All of us here are alive as well. We exist because God breathes life into us by means of his Holy Spirit, not only in humans, but living animals, insects, etc. As is plant/flora life.
God is indeed the creator. I don't know why you went from God's Spirit to the notation of life, but ok.
Perhaps if I was not alive, then yes.
Well if you were, you wouldn't be a alive. Be it of the Bible or not, that is known logic. The other remark you also sounded as if you were a Spiritualist, if read out of context.