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Dmitar

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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    See .   100% predictable.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Completely ignoring the previous post, as has been fully established previously is safe to do (… the expression “… Physician, heal thyself” comes to mind …..), you have to realize that the topic “BETHEL’S BIG SECRET” is a “National Inquirer” headline properly characterized as clickbait, and nothing more.

    Similar to when checking out your basket of groceries, and you see the Inquirer headline “Elvis’ Love Child Found In Watermelon!”.
    As a canine cartoon character myself I have access to information as to why information various corporations have should NOT BE shared with all the employees, and honesty and transparency is NOT always the best policy.
    The following is a recent meeting of the eight members of the WTB&TS Corporation’s Governing Body which illustrates that point.
    The names have been changed to protect the guilty.




  3. Haha
    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in Time to ban dimtar.   
    Everyone here knows why people like me get banned. It has nothing to do with being rude, obnoxious, insulting, or anything else people here are guilty of, including you. 
    You people just hate to be corrected because it's your forum, and called out when you misrepresent the truth. Show how apostasy is alive within the brotherhood, which is hard to accept. ONLY one person has been banned for NOTHING under this, forum's standards. It has to do with "refusing" to being part of this, forum's personal conviction.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Is there a reason I shouldn't? I do understand the reasoning behind it.
    Now, are you casting your thought to 1914?
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Nice that you mention me. I find this complete topic very sad. I know i say some bad  things some times, but this 20 page waste of space isn't worth reading really. It does show the visitors how unChristian JWs and Ex-JWs can be. 
    I never even watched the video as I don't bother to watch any of them. There are lots of points within the 20 pages that i would just love to discuss, but most of it has been discussed many times before.  
    One thing I have noticed though is, lots of things mentioned here were never taught to me when i was a JW, and I was a JW for a long time. And also some things that were taught are now shown to be totally untrue, or no longer believed. 
    The JW Org is a totally different experience for each individual. So each individual will have a different opinion of the Org. 
    Hence we could all argue 24/7 about it, but I'm trying not to waste too much time here lately  
    I hopw you are well. Christian love to you. 
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    You're still posting, aren't you? Now, the owner would never "ban" you or SM. So, NO! No one is preventing you from speaking about doctrine or history.
    What I would hope you would accept is your failures in not separating that history and fabricating things about doctrine. If you want to have an intelligent debate, I’m all for that. I just haven't seen one yet, here.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If the Bible Student publications are that important to you, you can download them from any apostate site. You can ask any Bible Student Association for downloads or have them sent to you. 
    As you know, there is a clear separation of doctrine. So, what's your point about being persistent about a woeful fool and former Bethelite's false accusations?
    That person subscribes to the same TriCopy that Loyd Evans does. That means, the same fabricated ideology as you.
    Sure they can. All they need to do is compare what is written with the written words of God. Just like anyone can see, you bear false witness to the truth by the standards of the written word of God. It's not that hard. 
    However, are you reverting to the Bible Student Era? If so, why don't you ask them about your concerns?
    This, you need to explain further. You are diverting guilt to the Watchtower GB, instead of accepting your own spiritual cult-like tactics, making you a false teacher, yet you state SM is a pushy guy, when indeed you are a pushy Gal.
    I'm not a Catholic, but I understand the Catholics doctrine and Ideology. I can say that about any religion. What would be your point with this line of reasoning?
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 12 : 6. 1260 days. Revelation 12 : 14. a time and times and half a time. 3½ times = 3½ years, of 360 days Prophetic calender   
    It would be nice if people would actually do the research before they post. Especially coming from Jehovah's Witnesses. It makes them look like they have no credible knowledge on what is printed by the Watchtower.
    *** it-1 p. 390 Calendar ***
    A year of 12 lunar months falls about 11 days short of a solar year of 365 1⁄4 days. Since the solar year determines the return of the seasons, there was need to adjust the calendar to this solar year, and this resulted in what are called lunisolar, or bound solar, years—that is, years in which the months were lunar but the years were solar. This was done by the addition of a number of days each year or of an additional month during certain years to compensate for the shortness of the 12 lunar months.
    Hebrew Calendar. The Israelites used such a lunisolar, or bound solar, calendar. This is evident from the fact that Jehovah God established the beginning of their sacred year with the month Abib in the spring and specified the celebration of certain festivals on fixed dates, festivals that were related to harvest seasons. For these dates to have coincided with the particular harvests, there had to be a calendar arrangement that would synchronize with the seasons by compensating for the difference between the lunar and solar years.—Ex 12:1-14; 23:15, 16; Le 23:4-16.
    Then we can get a sense of how that type of calendar was still in use in the Babylonian time.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    The good thing, secular authority, wasn't wrong about you @Pudgy. That make your comments much more worthless.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    No, Dimitar, it appears you have an exclusive on this one, but occasionally you make a good, none-snide comment, and I do upvote you when you do.
    If memory serves, it’s a total of seven now.
    If you get 1 million “upvotes”, you can get a free Bell Helicopter.
    Or, you could finance it for 7 years, with a monthly payment of $111,234.00.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Dimitar, 
    EVERY ASSUMPTION YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT ME HAS BEEN FLAT WRONG, but at least you are 100% predictable.
    You are wrong about everybody.

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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    @Patiently waiting for TruthIt would be silly to think Jesus motive was toward the dark side other than showing the Jews their teachers from the Schools of laws (Thought) were not in compliance with the laws they preached.
    There's a difference between an evil soul and a righteous, and perfect man. Let's not compare a person that can't be compared due to our imperfection. 
    Also, keep in mind, even when the last apostle died, Christianity continued, even though it was poorly executed for such a long time. It was NOT forgotten, by the Grace of God. Just like when Rutherford and the board of directors, were falsely imprisoned because of the Catholic Church, the daily administrative efforts continued.
    No former Jehovah's Witness will "EVER" have a say what God has installed on earth. You're not that powerful, and it would definitely be silly to think you are equal to God for it to make a difference to him.
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    Dmitar reacted to Space Merchant in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    @Srecko Sostar Unwise to add your own assertions to the events of Tulsa. The religous backing of the rifle baring neighbor was never cited, so assuming he is Christian, be it true or false, is not wise. Brother Hill was cited before, even by JWI. To assume the defense of looters attested to firearms, is unwise also, for people can defend a place of business without deadly force, even in the past, even now. But regardless, we you can see by the examples and cited aritcle, the brothers of the faith mentioned did not harbor any racical hatred between the two. The ExJW thought otherwise; not knowing about Tulsa. It is also noted when those befreind someone of another race, black, in those days, they evade confrontation with Jim Crow mental folk, keep the friendship obsuce to protect their friend and or mate, i.e. a white man who's wife/mate is a black woman, he will do whatever it takes to protect her when force is not neccessary; some events are equated to this in that Era.
    That being said, these events took place in the 1900s, do not be like the YouTuber who applied today's thinking to the old days.
    Also Hill was mentioned in example to you before, do not twist the narrative.
    But it is strange how you muster this reponse because you equated the events to Doctrine rather than History.
    Just so you know it was talked about before, @JW Insider cited the same article in regardings to adding futher context as linked here (for the 3rd time)
     
    Thank you once again for proving Example 1 from Witness' video is a lie. You are doing more harm to her video source than anyone else here with that regard.
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    excerpt from the article:
    About the same time, Brother Arthur Claus, who was white, made a courageous decision.........Arthur and the neighbor successfully protected the property against the looters. 
    Given today’s WTJWorg theology, about the “separation of true Christians from the rest of society,” this historical example is interesting because two people (from opposite religious poles) banded together to oppose a third group of people and to protect property of neighbor. What is next curiosity? Article stated previously:
     Arriving at Brother Hill’s home, he encountered a white neighbor holding a rifle. The neighbor, also a friend of Brother Hill’s,...
    Here we see a bare-handed “righteous man” (Bible Student) and an armed “unrighteous man” (false Christian) as they “yoke” together in the same job. Really interesting report. What can this historical example and experience from the time of Bible Students teach today's JW?
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    Dmitar reacted to Space Merchant in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    @Witness @Srecko Sostar Because I take pity on the misguided, I suggest you read/look into the following. It does not matter whether you are a former, or current Jehovah's Witness, does not matter if you agree or disagree, but you both have to understand that a re-write of history is an extremely bad precedent; for I stated this to even the Black Hebrew Israelites. This precedent can lead to the category of denial of history/or distortion of the Holocaust. This also goes for the events that took place prior, and the unrelated Gobitis situation involving the American Constitution.
    Example one, also refuted via this source
    https://www.history.com/news/tulsa-massacre-black-wall-street-before-and-after-photos http://www.dewaynewatts.com/home/the-lost-story-of-love-among-the-tulsa-1921-massacre a source both JWI and I mentioned in the past:
    http://reddirtimports.blogspot.com/ Granted both of you often times go to JW.org, here you go - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2021/1921-One-Hundred-Years-Ago/ Source which refutes Example 2:
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/introduction-to-the-holocaust https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibliography/jehovahs-witnesses Misc:
    The Gobitis Case
    https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/308/minersville-school-district-v-gobitis#:~:text=Gobitis (1940)&text=School District v.-,Gobitis%2C 310 U.S. 586 (1940)%2C that state legislatures,the First and Fourteenth Amendments.  
    On Archives in a public/non-public domain - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-library-and-vs-archive/  
    You do not have to read through all of them, but there are points in there that give detail. As stated, videos and experiences vary, people do give their bias opinion, it does not mean you have to shut off your mind when you are accountable to being a discerning person. It is unknown if neither of you are a genuine Christian, regardless, it would be wise to discern what you are hearing/reading, for Christians have the responsibility to Examine such things, liken to Apostle Paul and those in Macedonia, etc. Do not give in to the Agenda either because it only makes you a viable candidate for the Beast and the Harlot.
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Hi JWI. On page 10, SM wrote:
    Example 3 [1925] - Now for example 3, it is the same reused, washed and rinsed rhetoric about Pastor Rutherford's Millions will Never Die...
    I reacted with:
    I’m not petty, but I’m surprised that such an informed and knowledgeable debater like you mistakenly names historical figures from the WT.
    Russell was called Pastor, and Rutherford was called Judge.
    Then two of our esteemed colleagues joined forces and performed a whole litany on what the word judge means and what the word pastor means. And so on.
    As i respond to Dmitar, i have no problem if Russell's brethren using word "elder" in communication with Russell. My quote from JW library article just showed WHY Bible Students started to call Russell with title "Pastor". *
    If my grammar contribute to misunderstanding, this would be easy to resolve. But I think the two of them have other needs.
    If I may say this too: I am not making this comment to you in order for you to get involved in proving this or that reality. I simply respect you for what I think of you based on previous acquaintances through forum discussions.
    *PS Pastor Russell but not Judge Russell vs Judge Rutherford but not Pastor Rutherford
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    Dmitar reacted to Space Merchant in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Insults do not work against me because Slander is the tool of the loser. Been in debates where I was ridiculed for my race, culture, some even wanted to kill me, police sent after me, but it does not shake me. A couple of former JWs won't do much granted they use every slander move some weak debaters use to deter evidence.
    That being said, I guess your new light is the Holocaust was JW affiliated only, granted, you believe the video. More so, as is your assertion which is false about equating Doctrine to the Jim Crow Laws of the Era noted in Example 1.
    That being said, the examples showed proves that both you, @Witness blindly accept things without merit, as is defending a falsehood, and when exposed, you cry out with JW/WT remarks.
    God and his Christ deal with those who profess truth and call out falsehoods, and use discernment. He does not take favor in those feasting a banquet at the table of demons when it benefits them.
    As I told Witness, you yourself should repent, best do it now than wait to confess at the White Throne.
    Both of you are heavily misguided, know you actually have time to correct yourself, to Witness, Pearl, to you, a disloyal husband who profits off of ExJWs.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    From the very beginning of posting the video, racism, Nazism, the Holocaust was never my "beef" from the video.   That is what you gleaned from it, and that is what you have expounded upon. It is your choice!  I don't condemn your choice of topic from the video, but the Wt. IS, and will continue to be, my focus.   This is not hiding behind it, but exposing its lies by bringing them to the fore.  I saw a different aspect of the video, a hidden lie and I commented on it.  
    Accept it, SM.  You have your agenda, and I have mine. 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    So although you defend the Wt, you never became a  baptized JW like I did, subjecting myself to their falsehoods.  And evidence shows they have certainly re-written their own history and present a polished picture to the fresh population of JWs.  
    It is a conundrum to see you as a preacher (with a capital "p") defending an organization that has failed miserably at teaching truth; while on the other hand, saying you would not subject yourself to falsehoods.  
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    For someone never a member of the organization, this is purely conjecture.
    If you, a preacher never a JW, want to defend Wt’s teachings, go right ahead!

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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I seriously doubt that Jehovah God has any opinions at all about how we do, or do not, calculate celestial navigation to be able to cross the oceans safely, and even nowadays use GPS. in our cars.

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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    How are former Jehovah's Witnesses with a foolish heart inviting people into the new world? We will all be judged and the righteous will prevail. How is a former or a present witness that condemns his/her own soul, bless another soul?
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Russia orders closure of human rights group Memorial   
    I'll just repeat this here 
    But my advice to you, if you do not like my posts, is just 'scroll on by'. 
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Truth Unhurt.

    Truth gathers itself spotless and unhurt after all our surrenders, and concealments, and partisanship — never hurt by the treachery or ruin of its best defenders, whether Luther, or William Penn, or St. Paul. We answer, when they tell us of the bad behavior of Luther or Paul: “Well, what if he did? Who was more pained than Luther or Paul?” We attach ourselves violently to our teachers and historical personalities, and think the foundation shaken if any fault is shown in their record. But how is the truth hurt by their falling from it? The law of gravity is not hurt by every accident, though our leg be broken. No more is the law of justice by our departure from it. A. J. Froude
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    Dmitar reacted to Matthew9969 in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Khan?
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