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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Plenty of words. Nothing more. Admit, please, that JW members have a JW library, not a JW Archive.
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    You can say what you want. And you can continue too. :))  Ordinary JW members do not have access to the JW archive, but only to the JW library. 
  3. Confused
    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I think there is a simple explanation for why something is called a library and something else an archive.
    What is officially displayed by WTJWorg is a JW library...... and not a JW archive.
     
    The main difference between archive and library is the type of content they house. Archives typically contain unique and rare public records or historical materials, while libraries contain various reading and study materials. - https://pediaa.com/what-is-the-difference-between-archive-and-library/
     
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    Libraries in towns (public libraries) or universities (academic libraries) can generally be defined as “collections of books and/or other print or nonprint materials organized and maintained for use.”* Patrons of those libraries can access materials at the library, via the Internet, or by checking them out for home use. Libraries exist to make their collections available to the people they serve.
    Archives also exist to make their collections available to people, but differ from libraries in both the types of materials they hold, and the way materials are accessed. - https://www2.archivists.org/usingarchives/whatarearchives
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    The third factor that belongs to these two, verified evidence and opinion, is also faith.
    How will you prove with verified facts that someone in the past was “inspired by God” to write a written text? There is only someone’s faith that proves for or against. One’s belief that every biblical book was written under the inspiration of HS, is his attitude and his personal opinion which is not crucial to the other person. Someone’s opinion of his own belief in something is not proof that he is right. It is already/only his interpretation of his own personal spiritual experience.
    Do you believe/have faith that archive.org is the official site of WTJWorg?
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "Archive.org"  ("archive.org") is not official JW web site. If you put the term "Archive.org" or "archive.org" on their public and official JW.org search engine, there are no results. And if you type in "Internet Archive" then it takes you back to their official site.
    You speaking in agenda style.  You are disqualified.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I never said the Archives "are unknown to people."
    You said:  “If the publications were indeed concealed, why is it the Archives exist, which is actually known to JWs?” 
    My response:  JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    JWs in general are not aware of the Archive.org.  I personally didn’t know about it until a few back, and I was a JW for over 30 years.  I have been out of the organization since around 2013.  
    Get your facts straight.   The login leading to the history of all publications, that is accessible to only an elite few, who happen to be in Bethel, is on the jw website at the bottom of the page.  The average JW cannot use it.  It is a different login than the one provided at the top of the web page.  Thus, JWs cannot gain access to the history of publications that go back to the beginning of time, through the JW website!  They are limited on access to publications that go back to about 1950 through the "online library".  Even there, many articles are still unavailable on that "online library".  
    They are discouraged from using the Archive, as I pointed out with their own quote from a magazine.
     
    As I've said before, you can't trusted.  You are very guilty of twisting what a person says.  
    Done.  🙂
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Um, so now it's JWs that can invite people into the New World. And there I was thinking it is Jesus Christ that does the judging. Silly me, of course not, it is only JWs that have been given the authority that Jesus spoke of having. 
    Go careful Rambo. You too will be judged. Luke 17 : 1 & 2 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Wow, 7 pages of arguing between people that say they are Christians. 
    No I didn't read it all. 
    Dimmy and others have mentioned Visitors to this forum. I'm sure any visitor would easily note that this is not a true Christian forum.  
    I don't know if this link will be of interest to anyone 
    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80008/pastor-russell-colored-friends
    I don't know if this article is saying that BS - JWs expected black people to turn white once they had learnt the JW way of life. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Maybe 2013, when the GB said via the Watchtower that only THEY, the GB, are the Faithful and Discreet slave class.
    Prior to that all anointed were 'said to be' the F&DS. So is can been seen that in 2013 the GB exaulted themselves above all mankind by pretending to be the only spokesperson for God. 
  10. Haha
    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?
    Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?
    With this assumption you just made, can I have Pearl Doxsey's home address, phone number, social security number, DOB, etc.?
    I assume, since personal data is a stumbling block to the 4Woman Group, you have that info.
    Or are you going to renege and refuse to give me the information I'm asking for? If so, Why?
    Do you have a database of all former Jehovah's Witnesses, or how about the database of the Vatican that you can share, since you OBJECT to private information held by ANY institution?
    I must warn you, in the USA, it's against secular law to make such a breach of private information. But, I'm confident with your resolve, you won't mind spending 10 years in prison. Even for people convicted of murder. So, can I have that info? For internet access, it's called HACKING when someone obtains confidential or private information. They will give any person up to 30 years.
    Maybe you, @Patiently waiting for Truth and all other former Jehovah's Witnesses, can band together and enjoy a good prison sentence for the greater good. 
    That way we can finally have dirt on people that have fornicated, committed adultery, have homosexual tendencies, spousal abuse, have past convictions of rubbery, arson, assault, etc. Once again, your imprisonment would be for the greater to obtain certain information that is NONE of your business according to the bible 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 and secular law.
    Also, reference, John 21:20-22, Romans 14:4, 1 Peter 4:15
    Now information that secular authority contends is for public safety, then you need to reference secular authority protocols, like finding the information of a person placed on probation for child porn. In the USA, States determine how certain information is given. For sex offenders, a database is collected and posted. With your argument, that database would be problematic for you.
    Ironically, being placed on probation for CHILD PORN is NOT considered good enough to be placed in a sex offender database in some States. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Personal or collective maneuvers from GB are visible through written texts in publications, and they are even more colorful when you watch them via JWTV.
    A close and fresh example is Stephan Lett's statement (March 2020) that these are "the last days of the last days",........... and Tony Morris (February 2022), with a grimace of disapproval in his face as he repeats his colleague's words, says it is "beautiful expression, but words are powerful".
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    No.  I chose the one I cared to answer.  You have such a habit of ordering people around.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    This was posted by a JW, for JWs:
    To My Beloved Brothers and Sisters. New Light is here!
    I wanted to share something quite profound with you, penned by our own founder and published in the Watchtower before it was called "The Watchtower". He was so right about this point! I've included the first paragraph for context, but I would really like your opinions on the second paragraph especially. I tried to pick points that would warrant highlighting, but I found that the whole paragraph would then be colored and it would be moot. The whole thing is important, then as it is now and will be into the future. This is the truth about New Light. Much peace and love to you all.
    1881 Zion's Watch Tower https://archive.org/details/1881ZionsWatchTower/page/n49/mode/2up
    The above source is an archive site, a safe and public library featuring much of the last century's print works, free of charge. It includes much of our old publications, even well beyond what we can access through JW.ORG What a treasure trove, don't you think?
    Obviously, the intention here is to help his brothers and sisters use some critical thinking skills. But, If every JW knew about the Archive, why would this JW NEED to assure his brothers and sister that it was available...and that it is safe?  This is the same man who was surprised at finding out that there is an inaccessible database already on the JW website.  Still, many will not go to the Archive out of fear.  I've been there, I've been in that situation.  You haven't been a JW to understand this.  Why can't you just accept it?  I presented the video with no written personal opinion.  I posted it for anyone to see and form their own opinion.  They can accept it as fact, or reject it.  You, on the other hand, pick it apart and blame me for what you find is inaccurate...as if I was the one who produced it. 
      
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Space Merchant in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Once again, stellar minds
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God.  It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired".  (Rev 13:15)   All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB.  When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation.  His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them.  
    he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness.  Since that comparison is made, then all of  Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.   
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If this bothers you that I have expressed my opinion of confidence in what the video reveals about concealment of publications, then perhaps it should be you that should do "legitimate research".  
    Obviously, I touched a nerve, but thank you for explaining.  It must be admitted that the regular joe would question your choice.  
    I know you took great pains to write out all that you did on racism, but this isn't why I posted the video.  The primary reason is concealment of Wt's history of publications, from the general JW.  
    Regarding a secret database, this is one JW's opinion when watching the video:
    "Will you just look at that. How strange that we would make it so difficult to read our past writings. Wow. This reminds me so much of Scientology. You are only allowed certain information once you are deep enough into confidence."
    Get the facts.  Start asking every JW you know if they realize there is a database of every publication the Wt has published, and is available only to a chosen few, on the website. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I know what you had say about BS and JW at that era.
    You actually expressed your opinion in which you justify the segregation of that time which was the norm of behavior for BS and JW (in America) of that time.
    Can you provide evidence from WT publications from those period of time where they condemning racism and / or justifying segregation? Which WT publication from that time says that one should listen to Caesar more than God in matter of racism and segregation?
    Do you suggest how BS/JW  out of fear of men, knowingly violated God's norm that all men are equal before Him?
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    You justify other people's actions nicely. So, can one act unethically, morally questionable, or even unjustly because “unbelieving” people and (one other kind of Christians) Bible Students and later JWs lived in a time period when racism (or anything else) was the norm?
    The norm of behavior in different time periods of history and the present does not coincide with the interpretations of some norms we find in the doctrines of different religious communities before or now.
    This only confirms that the manifestation of religious beliefs can be manifested in at least two ways. Consistent and fanatical adherence to doctrines at the cost of ridicule, rejection, persecution and even death , to the point that compromises are made in order not to experience condemnation from the environment and society, under the pretext that it is okay because God does not ask for more. 
    (society required them to do so + kept neutrality and adhere to secular laws and customs.)
    In some of the behaviors of JW members, it was clear that the neutrality they displayed was not related to obedience to the laws and customs of society.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    What's silly is your imagination of a secret database just because some fool from Bethel said so. You, yourself, just answered your own flawed view.
    Once again, Just because you have disloyal Bethel members just to get their names on the news like Anderson, doesn't mean anything. Her husband was once looked at for the very same thing she alleges for that institution. 
    Then you have former Jehovah's Witnesses like you, making that process even darker. So, it's not silly when you get personally challenged and YOU are not willing to do, what you are telling that institution they should do. Who are you to make such a demand if you are not willing to subject yourself by your own standard.
    That's an approach of an evildoer. You should not reflect on scripture, since all of it can be compared and applied to your own life and behavior. 
    What you are doing is contrary to Christian ethics and behavior. How dare you call yourself a Christian.
    Christian ethics
    Bearing witness to the truth
     II. JESUS HAVING GIVEN HIS EVIDENCE FOR TRUTH, IT NOW REMAINS FOR EVERY RELIEVER TO CONFIRM THAT WITNESS TO THE WORLD IN HIS LIFE BY WORDS AND DEEDS. The world does not believe in the Son of God. The Pharisees told Him that His witness was not true. He, on the other hand, when He had laid claim to being the witness for the truth, speaking as never man spake, working with the mighty power of God, turns round upon His followers, and says unto them, "Ye shall be My witnesses." The idea here evidently is that Jesus, having once deposed, they must stand forth to confirm Him before the world. He is, so to speak, the main witness in court. The effort is to break Him down when He claims to be the King of the truth. His word has been spoken, and now His people are rendering their evidence; it is passing silently to the jury, and the verdict is rapidly being made up, either for or against the Son of God. Men must receive Him. This they will do when they see His disciples corroborating in their lives the witness He made for the truth. This corroborating witness of the Church is borne in these ways: we do for God, or we bear for Him, or we suffer for Him. The world pays a special tribute to Christian ethics when it says, Your creed is a good one, but your life is not up to it. We may print religious literature and scatter it over the land, but the world will not read books -- it is too busy, too restless, too eager; but it will read you, and it will receive or reject the claims of the religion of Christ in proportion as it finds in everyday life the record which believers are there making, the witness they are giving.
  20. Downvote
    Dmitar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Since you can only down vote once, I'll give you this one. A woeful fool needs all the encouragement from Satan to please him. 😏
  21. Downvote
    Dmitar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Yet, the same classless and uneducated woeful fool enters a subversive post by a down vote with more of the same ignorance, Perhaps being placed on probation for grave misconduct  has something to do with it, or can it be @Witness demands it. Now that info can be obtained by the proper secular authority channels.
    Clearly, the argument shifts standards when that shoe is placed in another foot. Then the tone becomes negative, Stellar minds hard at work here.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Is this to benefit them, or to satisfy the governments needs for privacy. Each country determines their privacy laws. That's why in the USA, they have the "freedom of information act" to give people access to information that is keep from public view.
    In the UK,
     Privacy in the UK There is no freestanding right to privacy in the UK, with the courts repeatedly stating that “English law knows no common law tort of invasion of privacy.” [10] As an alternative, the cause of action for breach of confidence has been extended to encompass misuse of wrongful dissemination of private information. 
    In Australia, the Data protection act.
    Australia regulates data privacy and protection through a mix of federal, state and territory laws. The federal Privacy Act 1988 (Cth) (Privacy Act) and the Australian Privacy Principles ("APPs") contained in the Privacy Act apply to private sector entities (including body corporates, partnerships, trusts and unincorporated associations) with an annual turnover of at least AU$3 million, and all Commonwealth Government and Australian Capital Territory Government agencies.
    Information Privacy Act 2014 (Australian Capital Territory) Information Act 2002 (Northern Territory)
    Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act 1998 (New South Wales)
    Information Privacy Act 2009 (Queensland)
    Personal Information Protection Act 2004 (Tasmania), and
    Privacy and Data Protection Act 2014 (Victoria)
    The Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Act 2018 (Cth) (“AA Act”) provides law enforcement agencies with access to encrypted data for serious crime investigation and imposes obligations on "Designated Communications Providers". However, the AA Act may inadvertently have a much broader remit with limited judicial oversight, and has been the subject of much criticism from local and global technology firms which have stated the legislation has the potential to significantly impact security / encryption solutions in Australia.
    In Canada,
     
    Revised : January 2018
    There are several laws in Canada that relate to privacy rights. Enforcement of these laws is handled by various government organizations and agencies.
    Several factors determine which laws apply and who oversees them. Among them:
    The nature of the organization handling the personal information Is it a federal government institution? Is it a provincial or territorial government institution? Is it private sector? Is it engaged in commercial activities? Is it a federally regulated business? Where is the organization based? What type of information is involved? Does the information cross provincial or national borders? Therefore, no former Jehovah's Witness is going to tell that institution how to break government laws to suit their personal agenda of misinformation.
    It's an earthly organization that is governed by secular authority also. Just like in the times of Jesus, or have you forgotten that.
  23. Downvote
    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Since you can only down vote once, I'll give you this one. A woeful fool needs all the encouragement from Satan to please him. 😏
  24. Downvote
    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Another woeful fool making his descent by a down vote. Typical ignorance. When the observation is obtuse, the only response is, reject.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?
    Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?
    With this assumption you just made, can I have Pearl Doxsey's home address, phone number, social security number, DOB, etc.?
    I assume, since personal data is a stumbling block to the 4Woman Group, you have that info.
    Or are you going to renege and refuse to give me the information I'm asking for? If so, Why?
    Do you have a database of all former Jehovah's Witnesses, or how about the database of the Vatican that you can share, since you OBJECT to private information held by ANY institution?
    I must warn you, in the USA, it's against secular law to make such a breach of private information. But, I'm confident with your resolve, you won't mind spending 10 years in prison. Even for people convicted of murder. So, can I have that info? For internet access, it's called HACKING when someone obtains confidential or private information. They will give any person up to 30 years.
    Maybe you, @Patiently waiting for Truth and all other former Jehovah's Witnesses, can band together and enjoy a good prison sentence for the greater good. 
    That way we can finally have dirt on people that have fornicated, committed adultery, have homosexual tendencies, spousal abuse, have past convictions of rubbery, arson, assault, etc. Once again, your imprisonment would be for the greater to obtain certain information that is NONE of your business according to the bible 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 and secular law.
    Also, reference, John 21:20-22, Romans 14:4, 1 Peter 4:15
    Now information that secular authority contends is for public safety, then you need to reference secular authority protocols, like finding the information of a person placed on probation for child porn. In the USA, States determine how certain information is given. For sex offenders, a database is collected and posted. With your argument, that database would be problematic for you.
    Ironically, being placed on probation for CHILD PORN is NOT considered good enough to be placed in a sex offender database in some States. 
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