Dmitar

I have often mentioned this to people that do not understand the situation. This period of time that we are living in concerns all in Heaven as well as all on Earth. As you say, it is a universal issue. And the outcome will be once for all time. It will be completely settled and only then will there be 'true peace and security'. 

Adam was perfect - meaning he was perfect to the extent that he could have passed the test.   Jesus was a mere man ( like Adam) and passed the test.  Jehovah had enough trust in him to make the right choice. 
After we have passed the test as perfect people we will have proven that we want to remain faithful to jehvoah and can be locked into a relationship with him by eating the tree of life. 
It was a very simple test that Adam failed to fulfill.  Soon we will face much harder tests as imperfect individuals but jehovah will support those who want to and choose to stay faithful.  We will not be tested beyond what we can bear.

This means he had not eaten from it before - and Jehovah now took his opportunity away to eat it. 
After the thousand years the bible indicates that those who pass the final test as perfect people (like Adam and Eve ) will get to eat the tree of life.  What is so hard to understand that.  Unless you read fallacies on other religious websites. I notice you quoted a Muslim website.
Since I know this religions well and its absolute inconsistencies I think you should stay away from those!

That is not what I said..... so twisting someones words makes you worthy of ..... 

Very true that Almighty God 'does not lower His righteous standards'.
But ufortunately the Watchtower and JW Org have never had righteous standards. 
From the times of the Bible Students of Russell, through Rutherford with the many splits of the Association, and right through the Jehovah's Witnesses, they have not had and do not have Almighty God's righteous standards. 
We all sin Mr Rando. But those who give themselves authority should be more careful before they deliberately sin. 

JW believe that the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” was literally a tree, but that the fruit from the tree was not poisonous and would not therefore cause Adam and Eve to die. They explain that the death occurred due to disobedience to the ban on eating, and not because of eating the fruit itself.
By the same analogy, it could be interpreted that eating fruit from the "tree of life", before and / or after the sins of Adam and Eve, would not mean that the fruit from the "tree of life" has the literal value of eternal, immortal life. Both have only symbolism, and the punishment or reward associated with both trees is in the hands of God.
In other words, the ban could have been expressed in this way as well; Do not look at the tree of knowledge, because you will be punished by death if you look at it, because you will die from looking at it. 
"Looking" into something can also be punishable, by the words of Jesus, because to look with desire at something signifies sin, and every sin must be punished. As in the case of watching a woman with desire. (... whoever looks at a woman to desire her has already committed adultery.)

You are a fake Mr rando. And you serve the devil well. Twisting scripture will not go well for you. 

Arauna I agree with you on this point.  Adam and Eve would not have been allowed to eat from the 'tree of life'. 
But so much of this topic seems distorted. It is my opinion that Mr Rando is not a JW and is slyly twisting scriptures to mislead people. 
I do note also that in Gen 3: 22  from the NWT 
Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.
Whereas Gen 3: 22 from the Berean Study Bible
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
Do you see the difference ? 
Us being in uppercase surely means Almighty God and the Son of God (Jesus).
 

I do not agree with this statement.  from the insight: The expression “tree of life” is used with regard to true wisdom, the fruitage of the righteous, the realization of a thing desired, and calmness of the tongue; it is also associated with the crown of life. (Pr 3:18; 11:30; 13:12; 15:4; Re 2:7, 10)
They were put outside the garden because they had eaten from the tree Jehovah said they may not eat. There is no way he would guarantee their everlasting life if they had not passed the test. The tree of life did not have inherent life-giving properties in its fruit - BUT it represented gods guarantee of everlasting life to those he would allow to eat of its fruit  Gen 2:9; 3:22
Your speculations are not correct my dear

He gave rules to Adam. Told Adam what he could do and what he should not do. 
And we have 'rules', 'laws' and principles in the Bible, which is inspired of God.  But we have the free will to follow those 'guidelines' or not to. 
Very good point.  I know a JW who's wife died because she did not have a blood transfusion, whereas now she could have some fractions from blood.  So maybe that man should have made the decision by using Bible scripture not by obeying humans.  It's one more reason I'm no longer a JW, because i want to be guided by God through Christ, not by men. 

The free will is whether you chose to obey or disobey. Whether it be obeying God or Man's laws. 
The obvious thing is that every action has a reaction. You may choose to jump off of the top of a high building, but the reaction would be that you would go downward rapidly.  There are laws of many types, gravity is one of them. 
But human 'perfection' relies on the human obeying God's laws in all ways. And we know that both the devil and Adam had the knowledge needed to make their own decisions. The Devil was an Angel and would have been well trained for the job of watching over this Earth and it's humans. Adam had been given direct instruction by God.  The free will was the choice to obey or disobey God. 
We, even as imperfect humans, have the choice of obeying God (to the best of our ability) or deliberately disobeying God.
This is my disagreement with the GB and many JWs. They so say 'dedicate' their lives to obey God through Christ, but can easily be seen to deliberately disobey God.  

You are somewhat right. But I think, also, experience we collect with time has a lot of influence on our decision whether to listen to something or refuse to listen.
The gift of free will is associated with independence. Independence means, in this case, making an independent decision about something. Making independent decisions is a feature of a certain degree of maturity of an individual.   "...always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth."
Learning is a process that builds experience in a theoretical way. Through practice, the acquired knowledge gains maturity and is practiced over time. Obedience is also practiced and has its oscillations. Sometimes we are more obedient and sometimes less obedient. So, there is no continuity by which we are constantly obedient. Well, look at WTJWorg. Abandonment of old interpretations actually means the cessation of obedience to the previous system of doctrines aka God who “allowed” wrong teaching.
From the aspect of a JW member, it could also be interpreted that God suffered the disobedience of all JWs in the world and that all the time while you believed in the wrong ideas of your religious leaders. Has God punished you for your obedience to wrong ideas? In fact, it has happened that your religious leaders have been assuring you all along that WTJWorg has actually been blessed with great progress in every way, spiritual and physical. So how can it be now, that God rewards one's obedience to wrong teachings?
Does God want man to be a mature individual who is capable of making mature decisions on his own, reflecting the “image of God”? Or that a man, on the contrary, be an immature individual who must constantly ask someone else for advice or instruction on what to do, how to decide on something?
Obedience, to someone or something, has its weight only to a certain extent. Because, no one has a manual on how to act in a situation, so that we can then be obedient to stick to the manual, word for word.
If God had imagined things that way, then he would not have even embarked on an experiment with free will. He would already write the rules, so, let people read, remember and obey the rules aka God.
Obviously, things don’t go that way. Obedience must be constantly learned, because one must learn to distinguish what should and should not be obeyed.

I agree with all you said.... except this last sentence.... It seems you have put yourself as a judge... be careful.... we are not here to judge others.  We cannot say someone did something deliberately unless we can prove it is premeditated..... and even them ----- people think about bad things before they do them without realizing they are really bad. 
David premeditated the murder ....... and yet jehovah frogave him... so be careful how you judge!

Agree, of course. But you have to agree with the experiential statement that a principle can be changed, as we see in the example of WTJWorg, who changes the principle on the basis of “new light” and new, clarified interpretations of old doctrines. The very change of doctrine leads to a change of principles, in one way or another.  

The priests are certainly despised in the organization.  If these ones are to take of the "showbread", then why must they answer to men who continually feed them stale, rotten "bread"? (new light/old light)  You call this, being fed by God? If the food is found to be stale, did it impart life to begin with?  Matt 7:15-20
  And...why must they not meet together under their High Priest Jesus Christ to study the scriptures  - the "bread of life" - as one body?  That is what your organization tells them.
“I am the bread of life,” Jesus told them. “No one who comes to me will ever be hungry, and no one who believes in me will ever be thirsty again.  John 6:35
"Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf."  1 Cor 10:17
The anointed are prohibited from approaching Jesus Christ to receive the bread of life, as the members of his body. (Eph 4:4-13; 2:20-22 )  They are the spiritual Temple/dwelling of God's Spirit.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Each one of these "living stones" in the organization is being "destroyed" by a counterfeit priesthood WHOM THEY MUST OBEY - the elder body.  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
Where in the scriptures does it say that they MUST OBEY men not anointed?  
Matt 25:45 - “Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Arauna, you could read about the duties of the early priesthood ...Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7;2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9
...and then ask yourself why you have submitted to the false rulership over you of a counterfeit priesthood, which transgresses the laws of God. Num 18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2
"You are to appoint Aaron and his sons to carry out their priestly responsibilities, but any unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num  3:10
"Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders"  wt 01/8/1
Blasphemy
 

With that assumption you will get a lot of likes from only the apostates.  I do not agree with everything but I am not apostate.  You twist words to get the likes from the opposers.

I think Dimitar is trying to use flattery on me, but because from all outward appearances he has absolutely NO sense of humor, I suspect he would not recognize a cartoon canine court jester if it bit him on his butt cheeks.

Today’s DILBERT CARTOON perfectly illustrates the above two responses.
….. I have found that typically coincidental almost to the point of being spooky.

Protests are useless …. The WTB&Ts is now TOTALLY controlled by their accountants and lawyers.
Nothing new …. This ALWAYS, without exception occurs when any religion starts accumulating Real Estate.

I’m guessing you must be referring to “unrighteous riches”.  When Jesus told his disciples, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matt 16:6), he wasn’t talking about literal bread; nor was he talking about literal seed falling on the roadway, in the rocks, in good soil in Matt 13:1-9
Every parable applies to a spiritual setting, and it is the same with unrighteous riches.  Jesus continually spoke against accumulating riches in this world, so why in this one circumstance of the “manager”/”steward” of Luke 16:1-12, (which the Wt quotes are referring to) would he condone it?  Wt. is earthly based. Of course they will only look at the elementary meaning of “riches”.  They love accumulating material possessions.  If they understood the message Jesus was making, they would sell their own possessions and give to every JW in need.  Matt 19:21.  There is only road in for the material riches they accumulate from its members; and in return these members receive spiritual nonsense.  (Matt 7:15-20)
In the Body of Christ, there are several gifts of Holy Spirit disbursed to each anointed one. (Eph 4:4-13) Holy Spirit is the gift of knowledge, of the wisdom of truth, which is compared to “fine gold”, and spiritual “food”.  (Prov 16:16; John 4:32; 6:35; 1 John 2:21; Rev 3:18)  One gift given is that of “manager”, a “steward” or “administrator” of the spiritual house of God. (1 Cor 12:28)  By effectively managing the disbursement of valuable knowledge, of “food”, gleaned from each member, all are well provided for.   This is a house of priests/kings built on the foundation of Jesus, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) They will be “rich”, as rulers under Jesus Christ, the King of kings, having the authority to supply truth (fine gold) to all in the Kingdom. (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; 1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16) The GB has placed themselves in the position of ruling over these kings, as if they are “already rich” with power and authority – 1 Cor 4:8.  Yet, they “squander” or “waste” what goods, what token of truth has been given to each household member. They refuse to ask any other anointed for the riches deposited in their heart at the anointing.  They are too haughty to “dig” for truth – to approach the anointed as a body for what spiritual token of truth was given them. (Luke 16:3; 2 Cor 1:22) They have not managed, or been faithful “with what belongs to another”.  Luke 16:10-12
 Jesus’ last statement after relating this parable should shed light on what he was talking about: 
“No servant can serve two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Luke 16:13
It should be clear that their vision is based on material riches and possessions.  The Wt. expects its members to donate their material goods to the org. The GB give their full devotion and attention to their accumulated wealth; what to build with it, and then tell JWs it is devoted to God?  Truthfully, they do not serve God by managing His spiritual house as a good steward which doesn’t take money; they serve their organization and manage their elder body/fake priesthood instead. It is from them, from a writing committee, that they “glean” their spiritual food to feed their hungry 8 million adherents. (Rom 1:25) 
It is such a warped concept but very common in the world of religion, but foreign to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Then the disciples came up and asked him, “Why are you speaking to them in parables?”
11 He answered, “Because the secrets of the kingdom of heaven have been given for you to know, but it has not been given to them. 12 For whoever has, more will be given to him, and he will have more than enough; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 That is why I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand. Matt 13:10-14
 
 

I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold.  I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them.  We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them.  
I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose.   They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion.  Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.
 

Visitors here should reflect these questions with insight. What did King David express?
Book One (1-41)
Psalm 13 "How long, O Lord?" How long, David asked, would God allow evil to triumph over him (13:1-4)? He answered his own question, expressing faith that God would deliver him (13:5-6).
 Psalm 14 God's final triumph over godless fools. David expressed utter contempt for those who deny God's existence (14:1; see 53:1). He noted the sad spiritual state of humankind (14:2-3; see Rom 3:10-12), expressed wonder that they did not see how God favored the righteous (14:4-6), and longed for the day when God would bring final victory to his people (14:7; see Ezek 11:17).
The word salvation (14:7) occurs frequently in the Psalms. While Christians define salvation primarily as deliverance from sin, the psalmists would have understood it primarily in its OT sense of deliverance from earthly danger.
Why is it important for a Christian?
AMP Matt 12:35
35 The good man from his inner good treasure flings forth good things, and the evil man out of his inner evil storehouse flings forth evil things.
 

@Patiently waiting for Truth Can you give me an example in Jesus time, when a Roman man didn't have desires of a young boy? How about the Greek culture. Maybe the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Can you give me an example of what part of this world you have proven to be perfect? Is it in your country where there was an entire community hiding the fact there was pedophilia in their community and the entire township was hiding it from the law.
Which religions and institutions have you exempted. How many institutions like the Australian immigrant detention center where children were being abused, and the government, in order to quiet the critics, MADE it into LAW workers would be imprisoned if they spoke out. 
I guess to you, known of this is disappointing to say the least. 
Now, what is desire? Can you be included in that prospect?
NASB Gal 5:16-21
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
How do you justify yourself to the visitor here, Obi-Wan Kenobi
Don't bother to down vote the truth. The truth has not set you free.

At least they offer a refund, unlike the Watchtower 🙂.
ws17 July p. 5 - One way to prove ourselves faithful with our material things is by making donations to the worldwide preaching work that Jesus foretold would happen.
 Such examples show that God’s people are “faithful in what is least.” (Luke 16:10) They use their material things to benefit others. How do those friends of Jehovah feel about making such sacrifices? They are very happy knowing that when they are generous, they gain “true” riches in heaven.
Yes, such riches will ultimately fail, so do not lose the opportunity to use them to “make friends” in heaven. Whatever we do to advance the interests of Jehovah’s Kingdom makes us spiritually rich.
Miraculously, earthly money, investments and commodities transform into spiritual riches when given to  the Wt. This is their guarantee, if we take hold of the opportunity - no refunds available though. 
But, is it really true that one can “make friends in heaven” by donating to the organization?  Does it prove we are faithful to God?
 w09 10/15 p. 16 - A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. Jesus encouraged his followers to make friends for themselves by means of “the unrighteous riches.” (Luke 16:9) Not that we can buy friendship with Jesus or Jehovah.
Apparently it is not true!  It appears that if there is a desperate need for money, the Watchtower gives its readers a different slant.  This article is saying, we don’t necessarily need to give our material riches to the organization in order to have a “friendship”…I say a spiritual relationship, with the Father and the Son.  But 18 years after this last quote was written, obviously "new light" tells us that God will not make us spiritually rich unless we “make friends in heaven” through donations to the organization.   
What riches, could be considered “unrighteous”? 
 Jesus called them over and said to them, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in high positions act as tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you will be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you will be a slave to all.”  Mark 10:42-44
1 Cor 4:8 -  You are already full! You are already rich! You have begun to reign as kings without us -- and I wish you did reign, so that we could also reign with you!
Prov 18:12 - "Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility comes before honor."
The “reign” of the GB over every JW, and the reign/rulership of the "Gentile" elder body especially over the anointed priesthood, is unrighteous.  Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
Wasteful Steward
 

Why are you expecting jehovah to worship this pagan Demeter?