Dmitar

You are changing the definition of words.
A Nation exercises sovereignty within its borders.
Jehovah's Witnesses the ORG is subject to the laws of every State and Province, and several hundred real Nations with various political subdivisions that tell them what they can and cannot do.
JWs cannot even build a Kingdom Hall unless they get permission from someone else in THEIR Nation.
If Jesus was exercising Kingdom Power now, If he was ruling invisibly now, the exercise of Sovereign Power should at least allow for building a Kingdom Hall without having to get a permit from a REAL nation, or to even build a garden tool shed behind a Kingdom Hall.
Playing with words will seriously mess up a persons mind when they change definitions .... as a classic example, calling "Gay Marriage", marriage is not marriage.
Not Really.
It may be accepted as marriage by the LGBTQFA community, but it is not. 
Not Really.
As far as JWs being a Nation over the entire Planet Earth, that is a fantasy.
27, or whatever the number is, Witnesses hiding out in China, a nation of billions of people,  is not a Nation.
Not Really.
Putting a racing saddle on a cow will not magically turn it into a thoroughbred race horse, even if you hang a sign around its neck labeled "Race Horse", and get 100% agreement that it is a race horse.
Not Really.
.... if you play with words you can contest that, but enter it into the Kentucky Derby Races, and see if reality agrees with screwball theories.
The idea of the "Rainbow Bridge" is an idea that appeals to me, all the way down to my innermost feelings .... so much so that I believe it with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support the idea. Yes ... there are bridges. Yes ... there are rainbows. Yes ... grieving dogs and their guardians.
But the existance of all those things are NOT evidence of a "Rainbow Bridge"!
Not Really.
And yes, there is a loving God, Jehovah who MIGHT make the idea reality sometime in the future, possibly out of love for humanity and its potential ... or some other reason.
But in the here-and-now, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support that idea.
And dear Arauna, there is no real evidence to support the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are a Nation, any more than the Catholic, Methodist or Baptist Churches are  Nations. 
Whatever they are ... they are NOT nations.
Not Really.

Certainly evidence of virtue, righteousness, and steadfastness in Theocratic goals.
It however, is NOT evidence that Christ is ruling invisibly in the midst of his enemies.
IT'S INVISIBLE!
Much like an expert Skydiver, who fantasizes he is Superman
He can't REALLY fly.
Not Really.

Soon enough, EVERYBODY gets to test their Theology.

Things that I can do ABSOLUTELY nothing about …. Like when Armageddon comes, I care Absolutely nothing about.
It’s like being a Fig …… either you fall down and rot anyway ….. or you get consumed.
As every fig knows, it’s easy being a martyr …… when you have no arms or legs

Continue down in Dan 12 - 
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.” Dan 12:7
The “holy people” are the same people mentioned in your scripture of Dan 12:1.  "Your people" are Daniel's people of Israel.  Today's "Israel" are God's chosen "holy people".  Why is their power broken?  How does that occur?
“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.  Dan 12:11
Who are to offer daily sacrifices?  It would be the chosen priests of God.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9)
In the ancient Temple setting:  “Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.”  Heb 10:11
What about today’s anointed priests of God’s spiritual Temple? (1 Cor 3:16) Are they to offer spiritual sacrifices?   
 “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:5
They are an active priesthood, aren't they! 
“Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.”  Heb 13:15
However, Dan 12:11 is calling the abolishment, the removal of daily sacrifices, as the “abomination that causes desolation”. 
“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.”  Dan 11:31
The power of the holy people/priesthood, as the “living stones” of the Temple of God, has been broken.  The daily sacrifices are no more. The holy people/priests are no longer sought out as God’s spiritual messengers.  (Mal 2:7) Although they carry God’s laws on their heart, they have been silenced and cannot teach them.  (Heb 8:10)
 Where is this happening? 
“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.”
“And give these rebels, the people of Israel, this message from the Sovereign Lord: O people of Israel, enough of your detestable sins! 7 You have brought uncircumcised foreigners into my sanctuary—people who have no heart for God. In this way, you *defiled my Temple even as you offered me my food, the fat and blood of sacrifices. In addition to all your other detestable sins, you have broken my covenant. 8 Instead of safeguarding my sacred rituals, you have hired foreigners to take charge of my sanctuary.”  Ezek 44:6-8
The “Gentile”/foreigners/elders offer “sacrifices of praise” as representatives of the priesthood. They offer the majority of their praises to “Jehovah’s organization” – an idol. (Rev 13:1,2,4)
The power of the holy people – of the holy priesthood and “living stones” of God’s Temple  – has been broken.  As a people they have been trampled, and as they are trampled down by the word of men, truth is also “thrown to the ground”.  Dan 8:12,13
2 Thess 2:3,4 -  Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessnessis revealed—the one who brings destruction.
He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.
What is that great rebellion against God?
“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”
The apostle Paul declared to the anointed priests –
“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  If anyone *defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”  1 Cor 3:16,17
If any anointed are reading this, consider who it is that says they are representing you as a priest, and by doing so they have "entered" the Temple of  God.  Consider that these elders rule over you, that they have been given false power to judge you as worthy or unworthy of God’s Holy Spirit.  (Rom 14:4; Gal 1:10; Rev 13:15)
Is this a decree that has come down from God?  Would God condone the removal of His priests, the silencing of His decrees?  Has He ever agreed to this?
"But you and your sons will carry out your priestly responsibilities for everything concerning the altar and for what is inside the curtain, and you will do that work. I am giving you the work of the priesthood as a gift, but an unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death." Num 18:7
Elders, many of you are leaving the Wt, many more had better take note and do the same. (1 Cor 3:17; 2 Thess 2:3,4,8)  Please don’t treat God’s word on the matter of His royal priesthood, as not applying to you.  It is an “abomination” for anyone not anointed to rule over, silence, or order God’s priests not to bond together under Jesus Christ their Head, as your magazine has told them. 
“But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”  Mar 13:14
 Abomination of Desolation toward the Constant Feature
 
 
 
 
 
 

Whilst I'm not involved in this argument and I'm not 'taking sides' either.  What it does prove to me is, that a True Anointed remnant are needed to guide the 'other sheep' that are 'not of that fold'.  
John 10 : 16 Berean Study Bible
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Zechariah 8:23  Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
Most non anointed ordinary humans do NOT have multi lingeral education. And do NOT read Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. So most non anointed ordinary humans that want to be 'other sheep' and want to be the 'ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew' have to rely on other humans (the JEW) to not only translate the Holy Scriptures properly, but to aslo interpret those Scriptures properly. 
Whilst both of you post lots of information and 'back it up with scripture', you are only two of thousands that have their own opinion. My personal opinion is that neither of you are anointed. The big difference seems to be that @Witness makes statements and shows some spiritual direction (rightly or wrongly), @Dmitar just seems to ask questions but gives no direction. 
There is one thing that does bother me however. If the Judgement / Armageddon is to happen within, lets say,  20 years, and if all humans on earth at that time will be judged as to be allowed to live or condemned to death. To make it right for those people then there has to be an easily recognisable way of serving God through Christ. At this moment in time I cannnot see any recognisable 'religion' to be part of. I cannot see anyone that represnts the JEW. Hence I remain Patiently Waiting for Truth.
 

I appreciate how the connection is made to Deut 4:6-8, with the failed obedience to the word of God in Christ, by the anointed “Israel” – today's “living stones” of God’s Temple/dwelling in spirit. (Rom 9:6-8,25,26; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16) 
 It is said in the post,  “Israel is to be the example for the world to follow”. This is a scripture included in the post:
“Indeed, he says, “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
and to restore the preserved of Israel.
I will also give you as a light to the nations,
that you may be my salvation to the ends of the earth." Isa 49:6
 
“In the last days
the mountain of the Lord’s TEMPLE will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
AND ALL NATIONS WILL STREAM TO IT.
3 Many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
THE LAW WILL GO OUT FROM ZION,
THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM. Isa 2:2,3
As a JW, I remember well that these scriptures were to mean that nations would stream to the organization, but the organization is not God's Temple.   I believed that the membership would continue to grow by leaps and bounds.  But it isn't happening.  All that they teach are empty lies...stories that have captured the anointed priests of God, who now are silenced under the dominion of men.   (Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,10; 16:13-16)
Mal 2:7 says, “For the lips of a priest should maintain knowledge, and people should seek the law from his mouth; for he is the messenger of the Lord of armies.”
Yet, in the lofty mountain home of Wt., where the anointed are under the dominance of a wicked slave and a nation of elder “Gentiles”, (Matt 24:48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) “Israel” has succumbed to the rules and regulations of these men and their idol “High Place”. They have become like the nations, “serving wood and stone”.
Ezek 20:29-38 
 

Written by "Joe", a faithful disciple of Christ. 
JW’s claim they are fulfilling prophecy of Matthew 24:14 in preaching the good news of the Kingdom, and claim they’re doing this to the whole population of earth.
There is one major discrepancy in this scenario, Jesus said the final witness before his return is not to the whole population of earth, but rather it is to be directed to the towns of Israel:
“When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”- Matthew 10:23
God always sent prophets to warn of His people’s sins (2 Chronicles 24:19) and has always worked with Israel to repent. Israel knew His laws, as God made them to be an example for others to follow.
Deut 4:1-8 “Now, Israel, listen to the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live, enter, and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 You must not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it, so that you may keep the commands of the Lord your God I am giving you. 3 Your eyes have seen what the Lord did at Baal-peor, for the Lord your God destroyed every one of you who followed Baal of Peor. 4 But you who have remained faithful to the Lord your God are all alive today. 5 Look, I have taught you statutes and ordinances as the Lord my God has commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to possess.
6 Carefully follow them, for this will show your wisdom and understanding in the eyes of the peoples. When they hear about all these statutes, they will say, ‘This great nation is indeed a wise and understanding people.’ 7 For what great nation is there that has a god near to it as the Lord our God is to us whenever we call to him? 8 And what great nation has righteous statutes and ordinances like this entire law I set before you today?”
However, Israel always became rebellious, and relying on their own understandin,g forgot about God, violated His laws, and followed other idolatrous organizations (Deuteronomy 29:26).
Israel’s following The Watchtower organization today is no different than early Israel following Baal.  God does not have an equal, the Watchtower is not God, and there is no wavering (Isaiah 40:25; 1 Kings 18:21). Since God does not violate his covenant (Psalms 89:34), and certainly does not work with the Watchtower or any other organization, God sent a prophet to warn His people, and unless they change their ways they will suffer the consequences. God’s prophet is to shout out loud like a trumpet blast:
"Shout with the voice of a trumpet blast. Shout aloud! Don’t be timid. TELL MY PEOPLE Israel of their sins!" (Isaiah 58:1).
God said “tell my people Israel” of their sins, not outsiders; after all, Israel is to be the example for the world to follow (Isaiah 49:1-6), and if all of Israel is flooded in idolatry and fail to follow Jesus’ commands, what example are they setting for others? So, why is the Watchtower calling out everyone else’s sins, but those of the idol itself? Because idols don’t call out idols, and Satan doesn’t oppose himself (Mark 3:26).
The same pattern of idolatry is happening today. Again, the rebellious house of Israel has forgotten about God and His laws and have surrendered themselves to the laws of the Watchtower, only following what an apostate governing body and their army of elders say, instead of God’s word. Just one example proves this; they believe being submissive to the organization will save them. The organization can’t save anyone (1 Samuel 12:21; 2 Kings 17:15), it’s God who saves (Isaiah 43:11).  They must have forgot that part.
There is a trumpet blast today, but it’s not for the whole population of earth,  God will judge those outside (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). This trumpet blast is directed right at the towns of Israel (Revelation 18:4; Matthew 24:15), and is a chance for Israel to flee their idolatry of the Watchtower and out of covenant with death, (Isaiah 28:15), and return to their covenant with God (Isaiah 14:1; Jeremiah 32:38).
The good news is being preached to spiritual Israel right now, and it won’t be finished before Jesus Christ returns.
https://inthenightaflyingscroll.blogspot.com/
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-good-news-part-one.html
http://www.christsdisciple.com/
 

But look at that picture. DOOM and GLOOM, FEAR mongering.  The Watchtower way. 
JWs have always used this approach. Physical distruction wipes out everything and everyone in it's path.
Almighty God and Jesus Christ do not act that way. Each indivdual will be judged as such, an individual. 
God's message through Christ should be taught with love, not fear. 
 
 

And who might that be ? Certainly NOT Jehovah's Witnesses.  The JW org hides Pedophiles within.
The GB and their lawyers have a Database which was started in 1979 and must be still building up. A Database of Pedophiles in the USA section of JW Org. The GB will not hand over that Database to the Superior Authorities. So the sins and crimes of those wicked ones remain on the shoulders of the GB. In fact it might even include the GB. 
I do hope you are NOT encouraging people to join that wicked JW Org. That Org is immoral and seems to encourage Child Sexual Abuse by not telling the congregations who those Pedophiles are. 
Quite strange that you admit that the Elders kept your abuse hidden, so they encouraged your ex-husband to continue abusing you. BUT you still try to encourage other people into that situation. Now that is surely wicked, to encourage people into an unsafe immoral organisation. 

These comments are tools used by the GB to instill fear, where fear should not exist.  It is absolutely a pervasive fallacy to -
#1 – compare an uninspired GB to Moses, personally chosen by God as a prophet. 
#2 – claim that God’s representatives are the GB, when false prophets (which means they have predicted false dates and doctrine revealed as a lie…“old light”/”new light”) were prophesied to come against the “elect” in the last days. (Matt 24:24)  There were many false prophets in the nation of Israel, and if the governing leaders want to make the comparison of that ancient nation to themselves, why would the Wt., that holds anointed “Israel”, concentrate on the world’s religions and its false prophets, and not on the nation of “Israel”?  The comparison to yesterday’s Israel and today’s spiritual “Israel”, should hold in all cases; but it doesn’t, because, Wt.’s leaders are the false prophets.    (Matt 24:24,25; 7:15-20; Acts 20:28-31; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:11,12,15)
 #3 – to use the example of Korah against “apostates”
What was Korah rebelling against?
 Moses also told Korah, “Now listen, Levites! 9 Isn’t it enough for you that the God of Israel has separated you from the Israelite community to bring you near to himself, to perform the work at the Lord’s tabernacle, and to stand before the community to minister to them? 10 He has brought you near, and all your fellow Levites who are with you, but you are pursuing the priesthood as well. 11 Therefore, it is you and all your followers who have conspired against the Lord! As for Aaron, who is he that you should complain about him?”  Num 16
Most apostates are rebelling against false teachings, separation of families, child abuse, elder abuse by the Wt. securing inheritance that should rightly go to the children and many other valid reasons.
Korah was challenging who God chose as priests.  As the Watchtower states, he wanted to “secure the priesthood”.  Here’s the story as told in your magazine. “Loyally Submitting to Godly Authority”  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002563
It states:
“Who make up this royal priesthood today? The apostle Peter answers that question in his first inspired letter. To anointed members of the body of Christ, Peter wrote: “You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” (1 Peter 2:9) 
Ever so smoothly, it presents the hidden challenge against God’s choice of priests –
“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.”
But notice in paragraph 20, that the challenge, the battle against God’s choice of priests, continues covertly by your organization.
“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”
Yes, it is stating that those who cannot “challenge” this man-made ruling that the elders are to act as priests, are the anointed priests and “living stones” of God’s Temple in Spirit! (1 Cor 3:16,17)  Didn’t Moses challenge – confront, dispute -  Korah’s blasphemous “challenge” against the priesthood?  And in the end, was Korah’s desire to secure the priesthood upheld by God, or was the Aaronic priesthood upheld by God? 
“…just as the Lord commanded him through Moses. It was to be a reminder for the Israelites that no unauthorized person outside the lineage of Aaron should approach to offer incense before the Lord and become like Korah and his followers.”  Num 16:14
Few would dare challenge an established elder body for such a reason, except the chosen priests of God.  Any who do challenge it, are tossed out and deemed spiritually dead as an apostate.  (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15)
Those few others who do see that the “man of lawlessness”/elder body “sits”/rules in the Temple dwelling of the Father, have left the organization.  They perceive the “abomination standing in the holy place”.    Matt 24:14,15; Rev 13:1,5-7,18
The leadership has apostatized against God’s decrees concerning His priesthood, and are ruling as “wicked slaves” over JWs and the anointed priesthood. (Matt 24:48-51) It is JWs who are the blind ones, and who have rejected God’s laws which are written on the anointed heart, for the laws of men.  (1 John 2:27;Heb 8:10)  How, can anyone read that Watchtower and not see that the elder body has "secured the priesthood"?  They have to be spiritually blinded by evil. (1 Tim 4:1)
2 Thess 2:1-4 – “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. (1914) 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.”
The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with every kind of miracle, both signs and wonders serving the lie, 10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.
 
Is the organization preaching that JWs are “Loyally Submitting to Godly Authority”?  Or, to the godly authority of an idol where the “man of lawlessness” resides? 
The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place

You seem to be judging your own deeds.
Your own words. You judging your Elders. BUT you are just one of thousands that have been abused and mistreated in that immoral JW org.
 
Unfortunately you are blind, and possibly because you want to be blind. How can such a wicked organisation, full of sexual abuse, lies and deciet, be used by God or Christ ? 
Your GB even 'beat their fellow slaves'.  That GB have exalted themselves above all the anointed. Even to the point of telling those Anointed not to meet together. The GB tell the Anointed that they 'would be working against the Holy Spirit'.  Whereas Jesus told the Anointed to gather together and that HE would be amongst them. 
Jesus does not need my help of course, but it is my duty of Christian conscience to warn people of the wickedness and immorality and danger of that JW org. 
 

I'll just sit on the edge of this school playground and watch the children fight.   It's good for a laugh. 

Independence ended with the arrival of Rutherford. 
Also keep in mind that in my comments on Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses, I have always had in mind one common link that has always connected them, regardless of the individuals who have later sided with this or that schism. Continuity of WTBTS.
All those who remained faithful to their "spiritual mother", the so-called "earthly organization" or WTBTS Company, regardless of changes in external name / label are proof that all beliefs, past or present, are what binds them together. They have common legacy.
That’s why the claim how JWs once celebrated Christmas is correct. Because today's JWs who do not celebrate Christmas any more are members of the same Organization under whose auspices and authority Christmas was celebrated in the past. Today’s JWs can defend themselves by claiming that they do not believe what Bible Students once believed, and that therefore it is not their past and legacy. But such a claim is completely incorrect. Because both, former and current believers, are members, they are followers of one and the same Corporation that has the legal continuity.

Please look, what was the ancient nation of Israel, for example (not to mention Abel as first witness and period of Moses and formation of nation)? Well they were Witnesses for YHVH, right? I guess that's how they felt and how God wanted to be. And they were not Christians.  

I am just saying that it was in the past and today there are people who can be considered Witnesses for YHVH, and whose status before God is their own or our interpretation.
 

If we believe that people are sincere in their intentions, at least in the beginning of their activities, then we can believe in the good intentions of Russell and the then Autonomous Assemblies. I suppose the “movement” begins in a way that the people within it have a more liberal position.
Than when the “movement” ceases to be a mere movement against the established Church institution that led to the gathering of people in the Bible Students formation.
In time, it became clear that these independent groups of people should be kept together, in a uniform manner, if they wanted to maintain the specific direction. On the other hand, this uniformity and striving for unity easily becomes institutionalized and organized like those of other institutions that caused the BS Movement to emerge. 
The existence of a class of elders (and an extra class of FDS with its Helpers) and those who are not, in today’s JW assemblies has brought WTJWorg closer to the Catholic Church hierarchy against which JW preaches. A Catholic priest talks about hell, and a JW priest talks about Armageddon. Theology differs but the authoritative position of both is the same. 
An administrative breakpoint could be found, and you mentioned some date about it.  The breaking point is just the culmination of the onset of dissatisfaction in people who worked on making change happen in a period of time before the change was announced in public. WTBTS continued to make administrative changes after Rutherford. 

Apologize, but it doesn't even need to be said in such clear words.
It is enough to observe a change in doctrines so it can easily be concluded that JWs do not believe in many things that were an integral part of the beliefs of their predecessors (no matter of their name). In any period of time from the first apostles of Jesus to the present day. (
Moreover, JWs do not even believe in those doctrines that have recently been an integral part of “true worship” (I’m talking about periods from a few months to a few years back, even not need to go in past decades). Jesus ’apostles expected the establishment of the Kingdom durin their lifetime. JWs today claim they (apostles) had the wrong expectations. So JW today reject, apostolic, their then faith, their belief system on the matter).
Keep in mind one more thing about this issue, please nicely. Has it ever been said in WTJWorg literature in the last 50 or more years that “new light” came into the world because JW believed that “old light” was a false teaching? But the JWs stopped believing in “their own old light” (not only in the "light" of Bible Students).
So if JWs are willing to reject, to stop believing in their own "biblically established beliefs" then it will be even easier for them to abandon the beliefs of Bible Students.
Simple.
 

If we start from a simple formula in which today's JWs claim that YHVH has always had its Witnesses on this planet, which we can call Jehovah's Witnesses or Witnesses for Jehovah or otherwise, then Yes, one type of Jehovah's Witnesses celebrated Christmas at a time in the past.
If one wants to deny this, then one should make some facts or provable claims that could mark a certain group of people (Christians in last 20 centuries period) like/such as the Bible Students, that they can in no way be Witnesses for the true God  YHVH.

As I lay here on the floor on a coiled rope carpet of many colors, with my chin resting on my dog dish and staring across to the iPhone resting at an angle against the wall, I often visualize Dmitar as a very small person continually waving his arms and saying “you want to fight, you want to fight?…… I can beat any man in the room!“, And then I realize that each morning someone probably uses him to soak up a coffee spill.

Since impudent people had a "problem" and criticized my LAST moniker, I thought it fitting they should really have a reason to criticize a moniker. Therefore, I feel it's important then to criticize the moniker "witness" as a "false witness" along with Pearl Doxsey, that you defend, without having the means to answer her own discrepancies of understanding scripture. It seems you are no better than those that can't answer questions, they find it a need to resort to childish positions. Now, that's normal human compulsion.
Therefore, you cannot apply this to yourself and Pearl Doxsey as you bear a false witness to God. However, this by no means answers my question on why you use a man's invention of language YHVH that was made by the Jews.
AMP: Deut 19:18-19
18 The judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, 
19 Then you shall do to him as he had intended to do to his brother. So you shall put away the evil from among you. 
 
I guess you will now find it a need to criticize the bible versions I use. Would you prefer for me to "change" my moniker, or will it be your crutch? Perhaps you need to call on big daddy @JW Insiderto do battle for this discussion to, like, @Srecko Sostar did. Then he can illustrate why Pearl Doxsey is "correct" by restoring to literature manipulation that is common here. Maybe that person will illustrate how the Bible Students Association, Russell, Rutherford and Jehovah's Witnesses framed Pearl Doxsey's ideology.

Oh! The compulsion of people. It's sad how uneducated people really are here. Yet, this post speaks for its self. Communication comes in different forms. This just happens to be one of them, on how two individuals communicate to each other, and claim intelligence. @Srecko Sostar found it a need to post someone else's post in order to respond. Does This impudent @Srecko Sostarneed to secretly communicate with a Jehovah's Witness tyrant? Or can it be, this tyrant, seeing a "losing discussion, found it a need to defend a former Jehovah's Witness that has the same destructive view. Intentional bad reports by literature manipulation. Not a good day for humanity.
I guess certain words would be appropriate, when applying it to @JW Insider and @Srecko Sostar

His claim about our "secret" communication is absurd. This could be due to some kind of paranoia, misinterpreted events on the forum or simply throwing a “hook”.
As you can see, I did not react to his statement because it is meaningless, and if anyone wants to believe in stupidity, good luck to him.  

My first definition was on the same lines as this one:
http://www.mother-god.com/greek_goddess_demeter.html
What we actually have is de-meter often anciently abbreviated simply to deo. The most obvious and likely etymology is "God-Mother" or "Divine-Mother", often abbreviated simply to "God".
Secondly, the Greek Goddess Demeter represents a particular aspect of Deity with an important agricultural ritual and symbolism. She is the Mother God within Her own, very widespread cultus, just as Allah is the Father God in the cultus of Islam. Nonetheless, the particular religious emphasis of her cultus was upon the mystery of death and resurrection: the Mother God and Her Sacrificial Daughter. In fact, this is exactly the same religious stream that, in patriarchalised form, became the cultus known as Christianity.
Aah, another dichotomy. Watchtower is full of them.  
It is very curious Allen, why you would choose such a name for someone who professes to be a Christian, or do you profess to be a Christian?  Now, if your were born with this name, it's different story.  But, to voluntarily choose the name of a pagan deity...well, it explains your aversion to truth.
God's true witnesses are the anointed priesthood.  Isa 43:10-13  These scriptures should explain that both Pearl and I are only witnesses for YHVH and His Son.   
This is what the Lord, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, the Lord of Armies, says:
I am the first and I am the last.
There is no God but me.
7 Who, like me, can announce the future?
Let him say so and make a case before me,
since I have established an ancient people.
Let these gods declare the coming things,
and what will take place.
8 Do not be startled or afraid.
Have I not told you and declared it long ago?
You are my witnesses!
Is there any God but me?
There is no other Rock; I do not know any.
9 All who make idols are nothing,
and what they treasure benefits no one.
Their witnesses do not see or know anything,
so they will be put to shame.
10 Who makes a god or casts a metal image
that benefits no one?
11 Look, all its worshipers will be put to shame,
and the craftsmen are humans.
They all will assemble and stand;
they all will be startled and put to shame.  Isa 44:6-11

Meaning of Dmitar: Name Dmitar in the Croatian origin, means The one who loves the earth… Name Dmitar is of Croatian origin and is a Boy name. People with name Dmitar are usually Christianity, by religion.